300 Million Year Old Machinery Found In Russia

[AngelGraves13]

yeah, i was thinking the same thing. as much as i want to believe in ancient tech civilizations... this explanation is more likely.

why they did not carbon date the tool itself?

I'm no scientist, but I've taken a few Geology classes and my understanding is that it's difficult to date certain items because of decay and radiation, which can cause additional premature decay of the material.

I don't think there were anything resembling humans 300 million years ago.

That we know of...

There's a lot we don't know.

[cybertimber2008]

why they did not carbon date the tool itself?

You can carbon date something only so far back. According to wikipedia, that limit is 58,000-62,000 years.

However, we can assume they tried and if if failed, that means the found object was NOT from the last 58,000-62,000 years - aka, not a fragment of modern mining machinery.

[Glassed Silver]

God dammit.... 300 million year old? that's an age I can't even imagine...

Youngling...

Once you hit my age, those years pass by like flies on a motorcycle...

Glassed Silver:mac

[ILikeTobacco]

[RiverCampher]

Went to that link for a laugh and got one from this pop up:

[Slugsie]

You can carbon date something only so far back. According to wikipedia, that limit is 58,000-62,000 years.

However, we can assume they tried and if if failed, that means the found object was NOT from the last 58,000-62,000 years - aka, not a fragment of modern mining machinery.

I'm sorry, but we absolutely cannot assume they tried. Like you say Carbon dating only works for up to around 60,000 years. There is also the problem that it needs to have Carbon in it (hint is in the name). It's Aluminium, so no Carbon, so only an idiot would try and Carbon date it. There are other forms of radiometric dating however that may be possible. For instance there are isotopes of Aluminium that decay at very well known rates, so that may be an option. Until someone publishes an independent radio dating of the sample we cannot have any idea of how old it is.

[mudslag]

this belongs in the conspiracy section

[Raa]

^ Humans have been on Earth many millions of years.

Excluding this article, do you have any evidence of this?

[WAQT]

It also appears that the age of the aluminum artefact is only being guessed at by association with the age of the coal deposit. I've not seen any evidence that the artefact itself has been dated (I'm not a scientist so I don't know how that would be done, but some form or radiometric dating is my guess). For all we know right now it's just a piece of quarry machinery that broke off when the coal was being extracted. That seems to be a far more likely explanation given the available facts.

Valery Brier performed X-ray diffraction analysis of the metal. It showed very pure aluminum with microimpurities of magnesium of only 2 ? 4 percent. Analysis was also conducted by Senior Fellow of the St. Petersburg Institute of Nuclear Physics Igor Okunev who confirmed the age of the material according to Natalia Ostrovsky.

Updating the discussion :)

[Skin]

It's the first Civ...

Though some time travel experiments couldn't be ruled out.

[JaredFrost]

I would love if it were from some ancient extinct civilization, ancient aliens, time travel, etc, it would make the world so much more interesting.

Hopefully they can conduct and publish the proper testing on the metal though.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

I bet this was something to laugh at for the scientific community. :laugh:

^ Humans have been on Earth many millions of years. And there have been previous 'technological' civilizations.

No, they haven't. I don't understand why you'd even believe that. No one is ignoring any evidence. You're simply believing in something that's 100% bull****. It's no more real than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[insanelyapple]

Do you remember that old saying? "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again"?

[exotoxic]

Its most likely something that broke off mining equipment and got lodged in to it.

[Hum]

I bet this was something to laugh at for the scientific community. :laugh:

No, they haven't. I don't understand why you'd even believe that. No one is ignoring any evidence. You're simply believing in something that's 100% bull****. It's no more real than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Care to explain why it's BS ? :laugh: Because 'science' told you so ?

The Sun and Earth is supposedly billions of years old.

No reason other intelligent civilizations could not have come and gone, long before ours.

I stand 100% behind the fact that present day humans and its technology are not the pinnacle of 'evolution'.

The Earth is an 'elementary school', and we are just the latest class.

And interestingly, this is precisely where I was originally going post this story -- glad it made it. ;)

The Guadeloupe woman. In 1812, on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, a fully human skeleton was found, lacking only the head and feet. It was found inside extremely hard, very old limestone, which was part of a formation over a mile in length.

In accordance with their theory, evolutionists date that rock at 25 million years! You will not find the Guadeloupe woman mentioned in the textbooks, since this find would disprove evolutionary strata dating.

http://www.pathlight...dia/13anc03.htm

1. Manufactured items (numerous items such as nails, screws, spark plugs, and chains) have been found in coal and feldspar- yet coal was formed during the Carboniferous period, 280 to 345 million years ago. Additionally, human remains have also found in coal.

3. Human footprints have been found that are millions of years old, such as the one found by paleontologist Jerry MacDonald in New Mexico. This was validated and acknowledged by the Smithsonian as "problematica"- since the footprint, as well as tracks from birds and other animals, were found in Permian strata- a period of 290 to 248 million years ago, before even dinosaurs were supposed to have existed.

https://www.forbidde...info/?q=node/56

According the current evolutionary theory, the oldest known ancestor of man [hominid] is Sahelanthropus tchadensis (which appeared between 6-7 million years ago) and the first "modern" form of man, Homo sapiens, appeared about 195,000 years ago. The earliest known recognized civilization is considered Sumer, from either 6,000 BC or 3,000 BC (depending on which date accepted).

It becomes clear however, to the dedicated who research the subject, that this view of history is blatantly and unquestionably wrong. This site is dedicated to be a repository for the numerous "out-of-place" artifacts that have been discovered. (If you know of one I don't have, including creditable verification, please let me know!) "Out-of-place" artifacts are those items that, according to our tenets of evolutionary science and historical theory, simply should not exist; typically they are items too advanced for the level of civilization that we believe existed at the time, or items that indicate human presence far before humans were supposed to exist.

This website exposes these artifacts, and concludes that: 1) man is far older than believed, 2) man has been civilized far longer than previously thought, 3) man has previously achieved a civilization equal to (and in some cases greater than) that currently achieved, and 4) there has previously been global catastrophes that has regressed civilization. We understand that this will be hard for some to accept, given what is currently being espoused by science. However, these conclusions are inevitable given the evidence; we cannot ignore evidence simply because it runs counter to our theories.

https://www.forbidde...nfo/?q=node/122

[HawkMan]

And what part of that "gear rail" could not have occurred naturally ? There's nothing there that couldn't have happened naturally, we have far more complex and man made looking natural objects of different kinds than that.

[Rippleman]

Care to explain why it's BS ? :laugh: Because 'science' told you so ?

i respect you hum, so this is not an attack, but, aren't you using science to conclude this "machinery" is 300 million years old? In one breathe you are saying don't believe it then in the next you are saying that it must be true because science is dating it back to that. Science is never wrong but humans are subject to error, and can do a miscalculation, inaccurate dating, etc etc. I am willing to bet its us thats making that error.

[Slugsie]

Care to explain why it's BS ? :laugh: Because 'science' told you so ?

The Sun and Earth is supposedly billions of years old.

No reason other intelligent civilizations could not have come and gone, long before ours.

Actually, yes there is. We know from actual evidence roughly when life first started, and roughly how and when it progressed.

Here is an rough timeline from Wikipedia, but there are many more available from Scientifically credible sources that are broadly the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life

Why do you so distrust Science? To repeat, the scientific method is based on testable, observable, repeatable analysis of things we have actual evidence for. If you have actual evidence for something that disproves current scientific understanding then please please go ahead, write up a paper, and submit it to any one of hundreds of peer reviewed journals. If you were able to overturn a fundamental piece of knowledge (like the basic details of the timeline of life on this planet) then you will, justifiably, become rich and famous.

I stand 100% behind the fact that present day humans and its technology are not the pinnacle of 'evolution'.

And anyone who understood Evolution would completely agree with you. But only because evolution does not have a pinnacle, or a direction, or an intent. Evolution is just the process and mechanism by which living things on this planet change and adapt to their environment. There is no direction or goal.

[mudslag]

Hum trusts science when it's view is in line with his view but when it's against then he dismisses it.

[TPreston]

Hum trusts science when it's view is in line with his view but when it's against then he dismisses it.

And why the feck is he quoting young earth creationists to prove other civilizations existed millions of years ago ?

[Draconian Guppy]

I bet this was something to laugh at for the scientific community. :laugh:

No, they haven't. I don't understand why you'd even believe that. No one is ignoring any evidence. You're simply believing in something that's 100% bull****. It's no more real than the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Wait what?? you sir are gravely mistaken! Repent before his highness strips you of your mod powers with his noodly appendage and transfers it to me!

[mudslag]

And why the feck is he quoting young earth creationists to prove other civilizations existed millions of years ago ?

see sig

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

Care to explain why it's BS ? :laugh: Because 'science' told you so ?

The Sun and Earth is supposedly billions of years old.

No reason other intelligent civilizations could not have come and gone, long before ours.

I stand 100% behind the fact that present day humans and its technology are not the pinnacle of 'evolution'.

The Earth is an 'elementary school', and we are just the latest class.

And interestingly, this is precisely where I was originally going post this story -- glad it made it. ;)

The Guadeloupe woman. In 1812, on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, a fully human skeleton was found, lacking only the head and feet. It was found inside extremely hard, very old limestone, which was part of a formation over a mile in length.

In accordance with their theory, evolutionists date that rock at 25 million years! You will not find the Guadeloupe woman mentioned in the textbooks, since this find would disprove evolutionary strata dating.

http://www.pathlight...dia/13anc03.htm

1. Manufactured items (numerous items such as nails, screws, spark plugs, and chains) have been found in coal and feldspar- yet coal was formed during the Carboniferous period, 280 to 345 million years ago. Additionally, human remains have also found in coal.

3. Human footprints have been found that are millions of years old, such as the one found by paleontologist Jerry MacDonald in New Mexico. This was validated and acknowledged by the Smithsonian as "problematica"- since the footprint, as well as tracks from birds and other animals, were found in Permian strata- a period of 290 to 248 million years ago, before even dinosaurs were supposed to have existed.

https://www.forbidde...info/?q=node/56

According the current evolutionary theory, the oldest known ancestor of man [hominid] is Sahelanthropus tchadensis (which appeared between 6-7 million years ago) and the first "modern" form of man, Homo sapiens, appeared about 195,000 years ago. The earliest known recognized civilization is considered Sumer, from either 6,000 BC or 3,000 BC (depending on which date accepted).

It becomes clear however, to the dedicated who research the subject, that this view of history is blatantly and unquestionably wrong. This site is dedicated to be a repository for the numerous "out-of-place" artifacts that have been discovered. (If you know of one I don't have, including creditable verification, please let me know!) "Out-of-place" artifacts are those items that, according to our tenets of evolutionary science and historical theory, simply should not exist; typically they are items too advanced for the level of civilization that we believe existed at the time, or items that indicate human presence far before humans were supposed to exist.

This website exposes these artifacts, and concludes that: 1) man is far older than believed, 2) man has been civilized far longer than previously thought, 3) man has previously achieved a civilization equal to (and in some cases greater than) that currently achieved, and 4) there has previously been global catastrophes that has regressed civilization. We understand that this will be hard for some to accept, given what is currently being espoused by science. However, these conclusions are inevitable given the evidence; we cannot ignore evidence simply because it runs counter to our theories.

https://www.forbidde...nfo/?q=node/122

From the homepage of your first link:

An astounding amount of scientific evidence disproving evolutionary theory has been uncovered. Here is part of that evidence.

And a disclaimer on the bottom of the other two links:

Disclaimer: This site is not affiliated or sponsored with or by any archeologist, society of archeologists, university or institution, or any published authors (such as Cremo or Kenyon). Any similarities are coincidental in nature and unintended.

And this is my response to your post:

[Slugsie]

Guadeloupe Woman

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/guadeloupe.html

'Ancient' footprints (I know it's not the ones you brought up, but demonstrates the sort of lengths some people will go to)

http://ncse.com/cej/2/4/paluxy-man-creationist-piltdown

[123456789A]

This machinery was probably used to manufacture dinosaurs.