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?It?s fascinating to me that over half of the U.S. population believes that ETs and UFOs have been engaging humanity,? said Jeremy Kenyon at the Sundance press conference. ?It?s more than 50%, from all polls you ever get from this. This is something that people don?t readily talk about, but we have these witnesses such as Edgar Mitchell, an astronaut, an American hero, comes out on television and explains his perspective on this issue and it?s not picked up in a greater way.

Hollywood took care of that :p

Whenever people have first entered new territories the first thing they didn't do was avoid (mass) contact with the natives. Aliens could be different, but if they have the will to explore, I'm betting they'll do the same.

Just turn that around..

Say we were able to go into space and travel vast distances. We find a planet with intelligent life, but than watch all the bat**** crazy stuff on their TV's, interwebs and all happen.

Would you just stroll in and say "Hi"?

Hell no!! ;-)

Just turn that around..

Say we were able to go into space and travel vast distances. We find a planet with intelligent life, but than watch all the bat**** crazy stuff on their TV's, interwebs and all happen.

Would you just stroll in and say "Hi"?

Hell no!! ;-)

ITT Alien Apologetics

I, like everyone else here, don't have a clue if aliens are visiting earth right now.

But if you do believe they are here, I think it's immensely hubristic to think that their secrecy is being kept by the government. If they wanted to be be public then it wouldn't matter what any government said/did.

Why would aliens want to communicate with human cows?

^ Aliens do communicate, to a limited extent.

But, One, they are respecting our general climate of Beliefs.

Two, the Earth is a bit of a giant experiment, and aliens don't want to muck it up.

Three, some alien groups are simply here to observe, and do not want contact and general recognition by humans.

The purpose of the limited contact that is made, is to help us evolve Spiritually.

From the Real World .... the truth is out there. ;)

Clearly truth and reality dont mix for some people

^ Aliens do communicate, to a limited extent.

But, One, they are respecting our general climate of Beliefs.

Two, the Earth is a bit of a giant experiment, and aliens don't want to muck it up.

Three, some alien groups are simply here to observe, and do not want contact and general recognition by humans.

The purpose of the limited contact that is made, is to help us evolve Spiritually.

Oh course none of which you can backup.

Former Sen. Mike Gravel says White House suppressing evidence of ETs

Even as most Americans wonder what planet politicians are from, is it possible that the government is squelching evidence of extraterrestrials visiting Earth? One former presidential hopeful says yes ? and that the conspiracy goes all the way to the top.

Former Sen. Mike Gravel (D-Alaska) says the White House has helped keep the truth about the ?extraterrestrial influence that is investigating our planet? from the public.

?It goes right to the White House, and of course, once the White House takes a position, ?well there's nothing going on?...it just goes down the chain of command, everyone stands toe,? Gravel tells Top Line.

Gravel is one of six former congress representatives who were paid $20,000 by the UFO advocacy group Paradigm Research to participate in a Congressional-style Citizen Hearing on Disclosure in Washington this week, where witness after witness has presented first-hand accounts of UFO sightings and extraterrestrial visits.

Gravel says the strongest accounts of alien encounters are from former military officers, such as retired Air Force Capt. Robert Salas, who testified that UFOs temporarily disabled nuclear weapons on his watch.

?The smoking gun of the whole issue, which is when they saw hovering space craft in Wyoming and South Dakota over the ICBM missile silos that the missiles couldn't work,? Gravel says.

Gravel says the media has aided what he sees as a government cover-up by not taking reports of ET encounters seriously.

?What we're faced with here is, in areas of the media, and the government too, an effort to marginalize and ridicule people who have specific knowledge,? he says.

http://news.yahoo.co...57111.html?vp=1

"Gravel is one of six former congress representatives who were paid $20,000 by the UFO advocacy group Paradigm Research...."

One can see where this is going.... ;-)

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"Gravel is one of six former congress representatives who were paid $20,000 by the UFO advocacy group Paradigm Research...."

One can see where this is going.... ;-)

I was tempted to point out the same thing.

?The smoking gun of the whole issue, which is when they saw hovering space craft in Wyoming and South Dakota over the ICBM missile silos that the missiles couldn't work,? Gravel says.

What is meant by "the missiles couldn't work"? Did they try to fire them and they wouldn't launch? Why were they trying to fire them? And at what? No specifics. Keep it vague, whips up interest.

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