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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

Yeah... okay... showing off multiple games, the OS, the new controller and how it works is close to vaporware.

Uh yea... Windows Longhorn showed multiple demos etc etc. and it is a classic vaporware. I said sony came close to that. I don't think anybody has actually seen the complete OS yet (I might have missed it though).

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Uh yea... Windows Longhorn showed multiple demos etc etc. and it is a classic vaporware. I said sony came close to that. I don't think anybody has actually seen the complete OS yet (I might have missed it though).

Did you just bring up Longhorn to compare (even if not 1:1) with the PS4? Woahzers, today's entertainment for sure. The OS featured pretty prominently in the demonstration, would of been hard to miss. It was shown in February, to not expect any tweaks or changes between then and the end of the year would be incredibily naive, and dumb, from a software developers point of view - If you somehow expected "complete" 7 months from release, or are hinting at that.

Sometimes I forget I'm on Neowin here, you know, a tech/software website....

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Did you just bring up Longhorn to compare (even if not 1:1) with the PS4? Woahzers, today's entertainment for sure. The OS featured pretty prominently in the demonstration, would of been hard to miss. It was shown in February, to not expect any tweaks or changes between then and the end of the year would be incredibily naive, and dumb, from a software developers point of view - If you somehow expected "complete" 7 months from release, or are hinting at that.

Sometimes I forget I'm on Neowin here, you know, a tech/software website....

Exactly. To argue that a gaming console reveal could even be considered vapoprware because they did not focus on elements of the OS is ludicrous. It is a GAMING console, they have shared the fact their emphasis is on games, so seriously who cares about exact details of the OS. They talked about the new details that would be related to gaming, so what else do we need to see? How Netflix is going to look? What the settings screen for advanced networking configuration looks like? No. We will learn that (pretty damn irrelevant ****) over time. Wow. Just wow.

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Uh yea... Windows Longhorn showed multiple demos etc etc. and it is a classic vaporware. I said sony came close to that. I don't think anybody has actually seen the complete OS yet (I might have missed it though).

You do realize that Longhorn was the code name for Windows Vista, which was actually released to the public, correct?

That's not vaporware.

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You do realize that Longhorn was the code name for Windows Vista, which was actually released to the public, correct?

That's not vaporware.

Actually it wasn't Vista is more like Longhorn Mk2, Longhorn was scrapped and they started over with Vista which actually had a different codename.

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Did you just bring up Longhorn to compare (even if not 1:1) with the PS4? Woahzers, today's entertainment for sure. The OS featured pretty prominently in the demonstration, would of been hard to miss. It was shown in February, to not expect any tweaks or changes between then and the end of the year would be incredibily naive, and dumb, from a software developers point of view - If you somehow expected "complete" 7 months from release, or are hinting at that.

Sometimes I forget I'm on Neowin here, you know, a tech/software website....

LOL. Yes I did. Longhorn was a vaporware because most of the demos were not real. If you read my post again, I didn't call PS4 a vaporware. As I said, the only OS features I saw were sharing screens so I probably missed the other parts.

Working as an enterprise software developer, I think I know how software development works. So don't be condescending on that.

And for the record, if Microsoft doesn't show the box in action today - I will call them out on it (as if it matters to "M$" :laugh:).

You do realize that Longhorn was the code name for Windows Vista, which was actually released to the public, correct?

That's not vaporware.

I know but the end result (Vista) was nowhere near to what was shown (features wise) and almost everything shown in 2003 was vaporware.

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Exactly. To argue that a gaming console reveal could even be considered vapoprware because they did not focus on elements of the OS is ludicrous. It is a GAMING console, they have shared the fact their emphasis is on games, so seriously who cares about exact details of the OS. They talked about the new details that would be related to gaming, so what else do we need to see? How Netflix is going to look? What the settings screen for advanced networking configuration looks like? No. We will learn that (pretty damn irrelevant ****) over time. Wow. Just wow.

No. I care about if they actually have a prototype in place for the box. Do they have the system architecture finalized. I haven't seen a single technical breakdown by anyone outside. I am referring to the detailed architecture breakdowns done by ars for PS3 and Xbox 360 when they were announced.

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Actually it wasn't Vista is more like Longhorn Mk2, Longhorn was scrapped and they started over with Vista which actually had a different codename.

No, it always kept the same codename right up until they gave it the official name of Vista. The big difference internally was that it was called Longhorn "D1" for a while after the development reboot.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/jhoward/archive/2005/07/22/408081.aspx

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No. I care about if they actually have a prototype in place for the box. Do they have the system architecture finalized. I haven't seen a single technical breakdown by anyone outside. I am referring to the detailed architecture breakdowns done by ars for PS3 and Xbox 360 when they were announced.

http://bit.ly/11V62GE

Perhaps because the XBox official specs haven't been announced?

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No. I care about if they actually have a prototype in place for the box. Do they have the system architecture finalized. I haven't seen a single technical breakdown by anyone outside. I am referring to the detailed architecture breakdowns done by ars for PS3 and Xbox 360 when they were announced.

So you've never heard of devkits? The devkits have been broken down many a time prior to the release announcement, where do you think all the hardware rumours of the past year have come from? Also, you kind of have to have a working unit when Killzone is demoing live on your stage :rolleyes:

This teaser video now also shows the retail box is most likely finished... Seriously, why was the word vaporware even brought up? It's not even like it or whatever you were trying to get at.

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lol, @ slow news day...

Hg3klDh.jpg

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http://bit.ly/11V62GE

Perhaps because the XBox official specs haven't been announced?

I was referring to PS4, I can't find PS3 article easily but here is the Xbox 360 I referred earlier.

http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/05/xbox360-1/

(Your LMGTFY is useless :p)

So you've never heard of devkits? The devkits have been broken down many a time prior to the release announcement, where do you think all the hardware rumours of the past year have come from? Also, you kind of have to have a working unit when Killzone is demoing live on your stage :rolleyes:

This teaser video now also shows the retail box is most likely finished... Seriously, why was the word vaporware even brought up? It's not even like it or whatever you were trying to get at.

Uh...devkits what about them? Yea they probably have it done "today" - I was referring to their event in February and that they should have waited when everything was a bit more mature (not final obviously). Do you understand the difference?

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Uh...devkits what about them? Yea they probably have it done "today" - I was referring to their event in February and that they should have waited when everything was a bit more mature (not final obviously). Do you understand the difference?

So what was Killzone and Knack running on in February? Magic?

And you fully expect MS to have absolutely everything done tonight? Because you know, if it's all done, why don't they release the console next month? :rolleyes:

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So what was Killzone and Knack running on in February? Magic?

And you fully expect MS to have absolutely everything done tonight? Because you know, if it's all done, why don't they release the console next month? :rolleyes:

Because games and testing.

The final hardware which was shown assembled, broken down and working, needs months of testing and then production, and of course the games.

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