New evidence released from Trayvon Martin's cellphone

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

New cellphone records evidence were released that portrays Trayvon Martin considerably different than how he was portrayed by the media. The records show Trayvon Martin holding a gun, a photo of a marijuana plant and of him blowing smoke. The cell phone records also show Martin immersed in talking about guns and smoking weed also.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-20130523,0,939183.story

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/05/23/zimmerman-defense-releases-trayvon-martin-photos-texts/

The first link has the photos and the second link has links to the cellphone text records.

[threetonesun]

So, he's like 90% of other people in Florida? :laugh:

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

So, he's like 90% of other people in Florida? :laugh:

The new cellphone evidence shows character. From objectively looking at the text and photos does not give an immediate impression of an upstanding person. We will have to let the court decide whether Zimmerman is innocent or not though.

[threetonesun]

The new cellphone evidence shows character. From objectively looking at the text and photos does not give an immediate impression of an upstanding person. We will have to let the court decide whether Zimmerman is innocent or not though.

Guns are legal everywhere, marijuana is legal lots of places. As I said, if he's not an upstanding person, the majority of Americans aren't.

[shakey]

So we are only portraying guns as bad when they are being held by a black person now? How does this stereotyping thing work agian?

If holding a gun is a sign of "bad character"... I think we need to address this to all those who hold guns. And of course, then answer the question, Who is more bad for holding a gun, Trayvon or Zimmerman?

See how stupid it is when I use your arguement and evidence. Let's not go down this route.

[Growled Member]

As I said, if he's not an upstanding person, the majority of Americans aren't.

I beg to differ. Most Americans are nice, upstanding people.

As for this, it's about what I expected. The media had him painted as a saint.

[shakey]

I beg to differ. Most Americans are nice, upstanding people.

As for this, it's about what I expected. The media had him painted as a saint.

Was he the 2nd coming of hitler? Or was he just most likely, an average kid in america.... Lets not act like he deserved to die.

[LaP]

I beg to differ. Most Americans are nice, upstanding people.

As for this, it's about what I expected. The media had him painted as a saint.

By why does it matters how the media painted him? It's not revelant to the case at all imo.

Personally i don't consider holding a gun or smoking as a really bad habit unless it becomes an obsession/addiction.

[majortom1981]

Guns are legal everywhere, marijuana is legal lots of places. As I said, if he's not an upstanding person, the majority of Americans aren't.

Guns are legal if you have a license for them. Most places its illegal to carry it on you outside the home unless you have a carry permit.

[Growled Member]

Was he the 2nd coming of hitler? Or was he just most likely, an average kid in america.... Lets not act like he deserved to die.

Oh, I have no idea if he was innocent or guilty. Wasn't saying that at all. He just wasn't the martyred saint type person the media tried to portray him as. And he didn't deserve to die regardless.

[shakey]

Guns are legal if you have a license for them. Most places its illegal to carry it on you outside the home unless you have a carry permit.

Don't need a permit to own a gun, only to publicly carry. Zimmerman illegally carried his gun. You guys are making this easy.

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

So we are only portraying guns as bad when they are being held by a black person now? How does this stereotyping thing work agian?

If holding a gun is a sign of "bad character"... I think we need to address this to all those who hold guns. And of course, then answer the question, Who is more bad for holding a gun, Trayvon or Zimmerman?

See how stupid it is when I use your arguement and evidence. Let's not go down this route.

I said objectively looking at the evidence (without prejudice or preconceived ideas). Forget race, a normal person usually would not post pictures of themselves blowing smoke (whatever it was), a marajuana plant and showing a gun with their finger on the trigger.

I beg to differ. Most Americans are nice, upstanding people.

As for this, it's about what I expected. The media had him painted as a saint.

The media has consistently manipulated viewers throughout this case into having sympathy and feelings for Trayvon and making people view Zimmerman as guilty and as the bad person. It could be the total opposite of what we are all expecting. The court will have to decide on this.

[shakey]

I said objectively looking at the evidence (without prejudice or preconceived ideas). Forget race, a normal person usually would not post pictures of themselves blowing smoke (whatever it was), a marajuana plant and showing a gun with their finger on the trigger.

The media has consistently manipulated viewers throughout this case into having sympathy and feelings for Trayvon and making people view Zimmerman as guilty and as the bad person. It could be the total opposite of what we are all expecting. The court will have to decide on this.

Actually, you're wrong. Many people have pictures of them smoking or holding or shooting a gun. In fact, one of the members here has a pick of him holding a gun and a small child together....

[threetonesun]

I said objectively looking at the evidence (without prejudice or preconceived ideas). Forget race, a normal person usually would not post pictures of themselves blowing smoke (whatever it was), a marajuana plant and showing a gun with their finger on the trigger.

I'm pretty sure I could get on Facebook and find a few thousand if not million pictures like that.

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

Actually, you're wrong. Many people have pictures of them smoking or holding or shooting a gun. In fact, one of the members here has a pick of him holding a gun and a small child together....

It is sad how our country jumps to the conclusion that someone is guilty. In fact, Zimmerman has only been charged with the crime, he has not been found guilty or innocent yet. Many people do not show pictures of them self holding a gun with their finger on the trigger and pot plants, that is not representative of everyone and is just a small minority of people.

[shakey]

It is sad how our country jumps to the conclusion that someone is guilty. In fact, Zimmerman has only been charged with the crime, he has not been found guilty or innocent yet. Many people do not show pictures of them self holding a gun with their finger on the trigger and pot plants, that is not representative of everyone and is just a small minority of people.

You seem to ignore how adolescents behave. And again, there are tons and tons of pictures of people doing what you just said people don't normally do. While many dont, there are many who do. You hate how people jump to conclusions, yet you do it yourself. Should take your own advice.

[Atomic Wanderer Chicken]

You seem to ignore how adolescents behave. And again, there are tons and tons of pictures of people doing what you just said people don't normally do. While many dont, there are many who do. You hate how people jump to conclusions, yet you do it yourself. Should take your own advice.

I never jumped to any conclusions. I looked at the texts and photos objectively. There are absolutely not tons of people who post pictures of illegal Marajuana plants and show pictures of them holding a gun with their finger on the trigger. It is also false that all adolescents behave whatever way you say they do. I respect your opinion but strongly disagree!

[shakey]

I never jumped to any conclusions. I looked at the texts and photos objectively. There are absolutely not tons of people who post pictures of illegal Marajuana plants and show pictures of them holding a gun with their finger on the trigger. It is also false that all adolescents behave whatever way you say they do. I respect your opinion but strongly disagree!

https://www.google.com/search?q=people+with+guns&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=nXCeUYmcFMq1rgH524D4Ag&biw=1920&bih=917&sei=n3CeUY_gIov84AP5poCQBg

Age of information man. I can easily prove BS to be BS.....

[theyarecomingforyou]

It is sad how our country jumps to the conclusion that someone is guilty. In fact, Zimmerman has only been charged with the crime, he has not been found guilty or innocent yet.

People form opinions based on the evidence provided. None of the evidence suggests that Trayon Martin had a history of violence or racism, nor was he armed - that contrasts starkly with George Zimmerman. The information we have suggests that Zimmerman was a racist thug and we know he went directly against the advice of emergency responders as part of his vigilante crusade. The trial will determine whether he is guilty but there is little doubt that he is a remarkably unpleasant person.

[DocM]

Guns are legal everywhere

Not handguns for someone of his age; sales = 21, posession = 18

marijuana is legal lots of places. [/Quote]

Only in a few states, not anyone under 18 - and not at all under Fedrral law.

As I said, if he's not an upstanding person, the majority of Americans aren't.

Thought ad-homs weren't allowed?

That said, he talks often of street fighting for sport, which goes to his default state of mind and to why he could well have been the aggressor. That brings in reasonable doubt - the legsl standard that applies here.

[Noir Angel]

So what? Being a jackass doesn't make a person deserving of being murdered.

That said, he talks often of street fighting for sport, which goes to his default state of mind and to why he could well have been the aggressor. That brings in reasonable doubt - the legsl standard that applies here.

The facts of the case haven't changed. Zimmerman still jumped out of his car, poked his nose in, and involved himself. If had kept his dick in his pants this incident would not have happened. How Trayvon could be the aggressor is beyond me, if Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of the car I can't see anything like this unfolding. Just goes to show though how much the gun nuts stick together, even if one is a cold blooded killer.

[Clirion]

The facts of the case haven't changed. Zimmerman still jumped out of his car, poked his nose in, and involved himself. If had kept his dick in his pants this incident would not have happened. How Trayvon could be the aggressor is beyond me, if Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of the car I can't see anything like this unfolding. Just goes to show though how much the gun nuts stick together, even if one is a cold blooded killer.

Actually, Trayvon could have been the aggressor. From what I remember, Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot. The question is, what started that? Do you know? I sure don't.

The pictures and posting do not do anything for this case either way. It all boils down to how the physical confrontation started.

[DocM]

Florida is still a citizen's arrest state, so him getting out of his vehicle is not necessarily a crime. That he was on the phone with police summoning them enhances that. You can be unarmed and totally the aggressor, so that is also moot. This prosecution is clearly political correctness run amok because of the Al Sharptons of the world getting involved.

[Noir Angel]

Actually, Trayvon could have been the aggressor. From what I remember, Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot. The question is, what started that? Do you know? I sure don't.

The pictures and posting do not do anything for this case either way. It all boils down to how the physical confrontation started.

What's your reaction likely to be when some idiot jumps out of your car and start's giving you s***?

[Clirion]

What's your reaction likely to be when some idiot jumps out of your car and start's giving you s***?

So is that what happened? Nobody seems to know how the altercation started. At this point, you are assuming that Zimmerman started yelling at him and giving him crap.

What if Zimmerman was just following him, and Trayvon turned and started the physical altercation? If that is the case, then Trayvon is in the wrong. He could have walked away without an issue.

We do not know what happened, we know he got out of the vehicle, and followed Trayvon. We know that Trayvon was killed. We know that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman pulled the trigger. That is what we know.

Everything else is conjecture at this time.