Xbox One: Microsoft, publishers 'to profit from used game sales' R

[TheLegendOfMart]

Xbox One's used games process has been unveiled in a new report.

Sources from key retailers have told MCV that they must agree with Microsoft's terms and conditions and use a new pre-owned system in order to re-sell games.

Stores such as GAME are expected to be affected by the new system.

Games traded into a store will be entered into the system, wiping it from the consumer's account, which is reportedly why Xbox One consoles must connect to the internet every 24 hours.

While the retailer can then sell the game at a price of their choosing, the publisher and Microsoft will take a percentage of the second-hand sale.

A further report by ConsoleDeals suggests the cut for retailers would be as low as 10%, as opposed to profiting from the entire sale in the existing unregulated system.

Those who wish to use a second-hand game outside the system - like borrowing a game from a friend - will be charged a fee of ?35, added the source.

"We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we've confirmed," read a comment by Microsoft to the story.

"While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

"Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house ? should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile."

An early report said that there will be a fee to play used games, but Microsoft has since said that polices are yet to be set in stone.

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Oh dear. Pure money grab, nothing more. Can't sell games privately anymore and you cant lend games to people.

Game rentals are dead if you have to pay a ?35 fee to be able to use a disk that hasn't been traded in by this system.

[Crisp]

I wonder if they'll now release games on their GoD service from day one now.

[mega31]

Too many conflicting reports, id just wait til E3 to get the info every news outlet is saying something different, and its driving me up the wall. Speaking of which the friend borrowing thing, if this happens than you dont need a fee

Account 1(You) and Account 2 (Friend)

Account 1 buys Forza 5, you activate it, install it, and you get your license for it, and you play it. Then after a month you take a break, and you give it to Account 2 to try.

Account 2 will get a message saying this game is activate on accounts 1 profile, would you like to activate it on your profile and deactivate on account 1. Account 2 presses yes.

Account 1 can not play the game until he buys a license or reactivates it on his profile.

Account 2 finishes the game, and gives it back to account 1, and account 1 activates it on his profile again, and thats it, account 1 will have his game back activated with no fee paid and account 2 played the game.

I find this possible because if Gamestop can remove your license by scanning surely your friend borrowing it can do the same and then return the license back. That makes more sense. Hopefully anyway. Id just wait till E3. This could turn out completely false or completely true, no one knows yet, and everyone is saying something different.

[TheLegendOfMart]

No, videogame retailers will have to log into Microsofts system and input the code to unlink it from the account associated with it and only then if they get paid for it. I VERY much doubt they will allow a private user access to this system.

[2xSilverKnight]

Wait for the E3 people before whining like a little baby.

[TheLegendOfMart]

You might bend over and take it from this kind of anti-consumer racket but I wont and I don't think the EU will either.

[mega31]

No, videogame retailers will have to log into Microsofts system and input the code to unlink it from the account associated with it and only then if they get paid for it. I VERY much doubt they will allow a private user access to this system.

I didnt mean a private person using the system i mean a user logging onto his XboxOne and removing the license from there. Like i said Account 2 will get a notification saying this game is activated on account 1 profile deactivate or pay fee. Obviously if account 1 is done with the game, just deactivate and play the game, then give it back to account 1 and he will activate it back to his profile.

[TheLegendOfMart]

The only reason this system is in place is so Microsoft gets a cut of the used sale, why would they let private sellers do this for free?

[mega31]

You might bend over and take it from this kind of anti-consumer racket but I wont and I don't think the EU will either.

You really think PS4 will be any different? Highly Doubtful, remember is this happens, Devs are gonna go to XboxOne, because they wont lose money, while PS4 will be sitting with their own Devs, Microsoft will get top devs to create things for xboxone solely because of used game sales wont lose them money. PS4 wont let that happen, you cant let your competitor create a console that will save money for Devs and Publishers while yours makes them lose it. Thats a recipe for disaster.

[TheLegendOfMart]

PS4 probably will be but Sony aren't talking about that yet, Microsoft are hence why it's blowing up around the internet, Neogaf has a 30odd page thread on the subject.

I was going to get both, I wont be getting the Xbox One and if Sony do it I wont be going next-gen at all.

[+Eternal Tempest MVC]

This is a new business model, not based on the original game console business model and it's used to increase revenue.

The only think you can do is support it, or vote with your money and not purchase.

The problem I have is I like to play games years after the system gone and with this type of system, publishers by design or by virtue of age and defunct servers now have the ability to stop you from playing the game.

I'm personally voting for my money. If Ms, or Sony is going that route, The Wii U will be more most recent, and possible last console purchase.

I also feel the publishers have tried to brainwash people about how we're taking food from developers mouths when the reality is there business model as it's been evolving has been unsustainable and trying to force their business model on to consumers.

However, with gog.com, dotemu.com, kickstarter projects, the current system is not the only system.

[mega31]

The only reason this system is in place is so Microsoft gets a cut of the used sale, why would they let private sellers do this for free?

They arent private sellers, your borrowing a game, and then your giving it back, they stated there would be a solution for a person to borrow a game. They might even put a timer on it, how long do you need this game for a week two weeks, and then after two weeks or week the license automatically transfers back.

PS4 probably won't be but Sony aren't talking about that yet, Microsoft are hence why it's blowing up around the internet, Neogaf has a 30odd page thread on the subject.

I was going to get both, I wont be getting the Xbox One and if Sony do it I wont be going next-gen at all.

But REMEMBER this is all crazy headlines, and news where everyone is contradicting someone else, honestly save yourself the headache, just wait until E3 for Microsoft to explain it, because if they don't itll cause more of a problem than normal. If they do you will know how they handle things. An article stated you need to go online once every 24 hours, then xbox said not true. its difficult to say whose right or whose wrong lol. Save yourself the pain, relax and watch the fireworks :D

[TheLegendOfMart]

I am passionate about technology and gaming though, I enjoy talking about it but the only news coming out is negative news, I get painted as a fanboy for not praising Xbox One like its the second coming of christ.

[mega31]

I am passionate about technology and gaming though, I enjoy talking about it but the only news coming out is negative news, I get painted as a fanboy for not praising Xbox One like its the second coming of christ.

LOL your not a fanboy you have every right to be concerned, I have every right to be concerned, its a pain. I love Xbox, its a fun console, I will get both, but i also wanna know whats going on with the XboxOne and if 20 different articles say 20 different things, than its best to just wait it out till june 10 lol :D

[BajiRav]

PS4 probably will be but Sony aren't talking about that yet, Microsoft are hence why it's blowing up around the internet, Neogaf has a 30odd page thread on the subject.

I was going to get both, I wont be getting the Xbox One and if Sony do it I wont be going next-gen at all.

Microsoft are talking? where? If this is true, chances are both are talking to publishers/devs not only Microsoft.

[ctrl_alt_delete]

PS4 probably will be but Sony aren't talking about that yet, Microsoft are hence why it's blowing up around the internet, Neogaf has a 30odd page thread on the subject.

I was going to get both, I wont be getting the Xbox One and if Sony do it I wont be going next-gen at all.

good for you. whatever floats your boat. if this is the case then why are you even talking and posting about it?

[the better twin]

good for you. whatever floats your boat. if this is the case then why are you even talking and posting about it?

Disagreeing with anti-consumer practices means you don't get to talk about it? Nice one.

[rr_dRock]

good for you. whatever floats your boat. if this is the case then why are you even talking and posting about it?

because if everyone thought like you there would be no discussion on anything, other than praise and love for things you don't even know if you're actually going to be satisfied with?

The same holds true for the other side though.

[exotoxic]

?35 to borrow a game?? And they say pirates are thieves :wacko:

[+Eternal Tempest MVC]

Microsoft are talking? where? If this is true, chances are both are talking to publishers/devs not only Microsoft.

Microsoft Silence, and vague references at reveal it's pretty clear the current status quo is changed from the 360 and used games.

If Sony does this, there will be a backlash as well.

[George P Global Moderator]

?35 to borrow a game?? And they say pirates are thieves :wacko:

It's not to borrow a game it's to BUY it. The rumor talks about you, taking your game disc into a shop, gamestop, and selling it to them. Gamestop can log into a custom system MS has and put in that you (using your gamertag probably) just sold your game off. This then means when you go back home and login to your account at some point the game you just sold which is already installed on your hdd fully, will stop playing because you just sold it and don't own it anymore.

Someone posted that the number isn't just the "fee" it's the cost of the full sale it sounds like. Which means when you buy a used game that's what you pay at gamestop.

The rumor says zero about barrowing games from people. It also doesn't say you can't barrow games from people. It just says what happens when you sell it off.

[vcfan]

how do you think Microsoft is going to get all these exclusives? that's right, getting the publishers PAID. If Microsoft is actually doing this,and sony isn't, then Sony is in big trouble. Do you think Microsoft would go through all this trouble just to be nice to publishers? NO.

Sure some people might not like this, but if it means many big exclusive games, even if you hate it, you will punish yourself if you don't buy the console. for what? for some internet forum pride?

[BajiRav]

Microsoft Silence, and vague references at reveal it's pretty clear the current status quo is changed from the 360 and used games.

If Sony does this, there will be a backlash as well.

Somewhat agreed except for the Sony does this. There won't be as much backlash if Sony does it, certainly not on these forums.

I sincerely hope they don't block used games and private sales though. I won't shed a tear for Gamestop and the likes.

[exotoxic]

The rumor says zero about barrowing games from people. It also doesn't say you can't barrow games from people. It just says what happens when you sell it off.

I must have got the wrong end of the stick...

Those who wish to use a second-hand game outside the system - like borrowing a game from a friend - will be charged a fee of ?35, added the source.

[Blackhearted]

how do you think Microsoft is going to get all these exclusives? that's right, getting the publishers PAID. If Microsoft is actually doing this,and sony isn't, then Sony is in big trouble. Do you think Microsoft would go through all this trouble just to be nice to publishers? NO.

Sure some people might not like this, but if it means many big exclusive games, even if you hate it, you will punish yourself if you don't buy the console. for what? for some internet forum pride?

Those exclusives wont matter much if the anti-consumer practices push people away from buying the platform in the first place.