Law Suit: Worker didn't help woman dying in gym bathroom

[Davo]

I meant immediately but I guess that no one can read between the lines...

[kazuyette]

says the person trying to get a reaction out of me by calling me a troll? pfft what ever :) ....just pointing out with an extra thick layer,,, that he does not have to help her... even if he was allowed in the bathroom... 

 

I don't want any kind of reactions from you just an answer and I got it :  you're just stupid. Where I live, if this kind of emergency occurs and you don't do anything ( as simple as calling the local emergency number) you go to jail. Simple.

 

I really hope that the stupid staff member and everyone responsiblefor that will serve some time in jail for what they havn't done ...

[Kelxin]

I don't want any kind of reactions from you just an answer and I got it :  you're just stupid. Where I live, if this kind of emergency occurs and you don't do anything ( as simple as calling the local emergency number) you go to jail. Simple.

 

I really hope that the stupid staff member and everyone responsiblefor that will serve some time in jail for what they havn't done ...

 

Yep, feel free to drop dead in front of me.  You'll notice I won't even blink or flintch, not my job to help, nor my desire.

[FloatingFatMan]

Worries about getting sued aside, I don't think much of anyone's humanity if they can just stand by and let someone die without doing SOMEthing!

 

It's a sad sad world we live in today; I could never just stand idly by, no matter what.

[jasondefaoite]

As Dick talked to the 911 operator via cellphone ? eight minutes after members alerted the front desk ? another Planet Fitness employee, Kristin Smith, showed up in the locker room and ?immediately? checked Hamlin?s pulse, finding it ?weak,? the lawyer says.

Smith knows CPR but didn?t perform it, Charnas alleged.

 

Why would you need to perform CPR if the person still has a pulse?

[Richteralan]

I don't want any kind of reactions from you just an answer and I got it :  you're just stupid. Where I live, if this kind of emergency occurs and you don't do anything ( as simple as calling the local emergency number) you go to jail. Simple.

 

I really hope that the stupid staff member and everyone responsiblefor that will serve some time in jail for what they havn't done ...

Wow you ARE from Heaven. How's the jail look like? Are they all in White?

[kazuyette]

Yep, feel free to drop dead in front of me.  You'll notice I won't even blink or flintch, not my job to help, nor my desire.

 

 

Wow you ARE from Heaven. How's the jail look like? Are they all in White?

I won't answer to both you anymore because this will get me warned ... Both of you are stupid, selfish and not worthy of your lives and I won't help you either if you drop in front of me, you don't deserve my help.

 

What I described earlier ( not helping someone if they are in danger ) is called in the French Law " 'failure to provide assistance" (loose translation) and can get you up to 5 years of jail time and/or a fine up to 75 000 euros(loose translation)

 

P.S. : After some research , I can understand your stupid and selfish reaction because the notion of 'failure to provide assistance" doesn't exist in the U.S. and in most of the English speaking world.

[umneycreep]

sorry, but you won't see me rushing into a women's restroom if I hear strange noises ... especially snoring/thudding sounds... ??

[vcfan]

edit:oops wrong thread

[_neutrino Veteran]

anymore a lot of businesses have policies that state you do not have to help people because you are liable to be sued if you help and something goes wrong. I hope the judge throws this out its ridiculous. I do understand that he could have called emergency services and did not but still to sue the guy is stupid.

[vcfan]

oh planet fitness. wont save dying person,but will kick you out for grunting. watch out for the lunk alarm.

 

 

[ATLien_0]

Its one of those things, we all mentally know what to do in that situation the employee was in, but when it happens many people sieze up. It quite common.  I just can't believe no one else had a cell phone

[selphj]

I had to get certified because we are fostering.  And sadly, a large part of it is teaching you not to pass the buck.  The lady in the bathroom should have called and not went hunting around for staff.  And if the person has no pulse (or you aren't sure), anyone can use an AED.  They have clearly labeled pictures and they won't send a charge if they detect a heartbeat.  Really if you are ever faced with this situation, get the AED and use it.  It's designed to be fool proof.

[Vykranth]

what was he going to do ? get the broom and sweep her up ? .... he does not have to save her... his only obligation is to make sure stuff is clean and in its place before he leaves... I hope they family lose the case and are told to shut up

 

anymore a lot of businesses have policies that state you do not have to help people because you are liable to be sued if you help and something goes wrong. I hope the judge throws this out its ridiculous. I do understand that he could have called emergency services and did not but still to sue the guy is stupid.

 

The defining question is: what was this guy? a drone employee of a nameless companies or a human being? 

What is better to live with? the remorse of being a coward and hiding behind company policies excuses that cost the life of someone else or the regret losing a job after saving someone?

 

Take it also from the company side: is it a good policy for a company to have untrained employees who cannot go beyond their job descriptions and rules to save someone. Would you trust that company to do business with?

 

 

 

Wow you ARE from Heaven. How's the jail look like? Are they all in White?

 

Kazuyette is right. The 'failure to help someone in distress' is the good Samaritan law in France that trumps everything.

You can be held liable if you did not do anything to help someone and you cannot be held liable if you helped someone: even if it is as small as calling the emergency services or holding a hand.

 

99.99% of people in France know 3 phone numbers: 15 for medical emergencies, 17 for the police and 18 for the fire department. And the European universal number 115 works too.

The emergency services will never turn you down if you report an accident someone else reported too. They will politely thank you for your help and tell you that help is on the way.

 

I have seen people help other after they broke their wrist after falling down on icy grounds, call the EMTs and stay with them until the trunk came four minutes later. 

I have stopped my car to report accidents on the highway or see why people were sleeping on the pavement in the middle of a summer afternoon.

 

Just for one reason: because this is the humane thing to do

 

So, yes, Richteralan, here, we have wings, beautiful large white wings

[kazuyette]

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Kazuyette is right. The 'failure to help someone in distress' is the good Samaritan law in France that trumps everything.

 

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After my reasearch I might add that imo the French Law goes even further than the "Good Samaritan" law.

[HSoft]

Take it also from the company side: is it a good policy for a company to have untrained employees who cannot go beyond their job descriptions and rules to save someone. Would you trust that company to do business with?

If I walk into walmart and suddenly drop with a heart attack or whatever, I wouldn't expect the 80 year old walmart greeter to go beyond their job description and administer CPR.  Would I still do business with Walmart (or whomever), yes.

[Shadrack]

If I walk into walmart and suddenly drop with a heart attack or whatever, I wouldn't expect the 80 year old walmart greeter to go beyond their job description and administer CPR.  Would I still do business with Walmart (or whomever), yes.

It varies by state, but in my state if someone drops in front of me I'm actually required to administrate CPR until emergency services arrive because I'm certified CPR.  If I did not help, I could be liable.

[FloatingFatMan]

If I walk into walmart and suddenly drop with a heart attack or whatever, I wouldn't expect the 80 year old walmart greeter to go beyond their job description and administer CPR.  Would I still do business with Walmart (or whomever), yes.

 

But would you expect them to step over you and carry on with their job, leaving you to die; or hope that they'd call 911?

 

As much as the French Good Samaritan law is a really good thing, it's also a very sad thing.  One shouldn't need a law to make you help someone. It should just be something you do, out of humanity.

[HSoft]

But would you expect them to step over you and carry on with their job, leaving you to die; or hope that they'd call 911?

 

There's always a hope they'd call 911 but not a requirement.  Lawyers have screwed the US system so much that your damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Edit:  Infact, its got to the point that if someone keeled over dead someplace (e.g. Target) and another customer tripped over that dead person and sprained their ankle, then there would probably be a lawsuit against the dead persons family for that person causing an injury.  It is totally ridiculous.

[HawkMan]

It's sad that America doesn't have laws protecting people that help other people if they have a fall or medical problem like this, or even require it. But I guess that's what happens on a nation founded on he right to sue people(don't get me wrong, if I was in American and I Was in a situation to get quick money by suing someone, I would, and I believe virtually everyone would).

 

what's funnier is that quite a while ago in a thread about people not helping a dying or wounded person on a sidewalk in China, and everyone just walking by.then you see this, and their own country is no better. 

[Vykranth]

If I walk into walmart and suddenly drop with a heart attack or whatever, I wouldn't expect the 80 year old walmart greeter to go beyond their job description and administer CPR.  Would I still do business with Walmart (or whomever), yes.

 

Not CPR, sure but I would expect that he would alert someone who would call 911.

May be there is an other employee who has CPR training.

 

One thing that I forgot to mention about French law is that employers are required by law to educate their employees for security and health.

Depending on the company field and size, there are trainings for fires, CPRs, accidents, evacuation exercise.

Makes the workplace safer and it makes that a good portion of people in the streets know first aid.

 

A long time ago, I was working in Dallas for Arco and the first thing they made me do was taking the safety training, explaining what to do in case of fires, chemical spills, tornadoes, what number to call in case of a problem, ...

And it was good to me even if I was a short term contractor working there

 

 

There's always a hope they'd call 911 but not a requirement.  Lawyers have screwed the US system so much that your damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

And, really, this is the saddest part of it.

[Steven P. Administrators]

Another example of how a sue happy society has broken down common decency in fear of being sued for everything you have.

[techbeck]

What is funny is the lady that asked for help, didnt do anything either.  But blame the worker and the place since that will get the biggest payout.   And say the worker did go in to the ladies locker room and help...and there were naked women that he saw.  He would them be sued for that.  

 

And people can call the guy stupid all they want.  They were not in his situation.  He probably just panicked, like I said previously, and your mind doesnt think right in these situations. 

 

?I want to know why no one helped her!? Hamlin?s mother, Jeanine, 52, said tearfully last week in her Central Islip home.

 

 

 Should be asking Stephanie Dick that very same question.  Ask for help, the guy does nothing and doesnt even call 911 so you stay there and argue with the guy.  If I ask for help, no one does anything, then I will go behind the desk, grab the phone, and dial 911 myself.  That is if I dont have my cell phone on me, which I always do.

 

As Dick talked to the 911 operator via cellphone ? eight minutes after members alerted the front desk

 

 

So she waited 8 minutes before calling her self?  Now that is stupid.  And if the worker is to blame and is guilty, she is just as much so herself.

[Noir Angel]

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a society has became so litigious that one person can't save another person's life because they're worried about being sued. As House put it "The boy who sued wolf"

[techbeck]

Another example of how a sue happy society has broken down common decency in fear of being sued for everything you have.

 

 

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a society has became so litigious that one person can't save another person's life because they're worried about being sued. As House put it "The boy who sued wolf"

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.