'Fake' service dog & veteran kicked out of restaurant

[+Raze Subscriber²]

And all of those are non issues. Saliva and urine are not an issue because we are talking about highly trained dogs. Dander is not an issue because the dogs used are usually bred to not cause problems with that.

 

Dried saliva and urine contaminate surfaces, and all dogs shed dander (dried skin cells), there is no such thing as an allergy free dog. (hypoallergenic, yes)

 

Let me again make this very clear, I am NOT advocating the prevention of people in need using, having or bringing their service animals into whatever public place they wish to go.  But some people do have concerns and they are legitimate especially as we see more and more service animals being used, so education as to the use of service animals and their care is very important to prevent business owners and others from having an issue

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

People walk in and out of restaurants off the streets. There's no knowing what they also carry

So that negates the cleanliness and allergy issue...

[ILikeTobacco]

Not in the US.

http://www.ada.gov/smbustxt.htm

 

ADA protects the disabled, and the Civil Rights Act protects people based on origin, color, race, etc.

Those laws have loop holes in them specifically so any small business can get around them. For instance, a small business is required to install ramps for wheelchairs. But they don't actually have to thanks to provisions dealing with the cost of it. Also, no law says that you have to state why you are not allowing someone on the property. You have the right, as a business owner, to simply say no with no excuse.

[ILikeTobacco]

Dried saliva and urine contaminate surfaces, and all dogs shed dander (dried skin cells), there is no such thing as an allergy free dog. (hypoallergenic, yes)

 

Let me again make this very clear, I am NOT advocating the prevention of people in need using, having or bringing their service animals into whatever public place they wish to go.  But some people do have concerns and they are legitimate especially as we see more and more service animals being used, so education as to the use of service animals and their care is very important to prevent business owners and others from having an issue

Anyone who has an allergy so severe that any of those things become an actually issue lives in a bubble at home since they can't stop their neighbors from having dogs. At some point a line has to be drawn because it is simply unrealistic.

[Azies]

Damn, that guy even sounds like a dirty scumbag.

[Azies]

Dried saliva and urine contaminate surfaces, and all dogs shed dander (dried skin cells), there is no such thing as an allergy free dog. (hypoallergenic, yes)

 

Let me again make this very clear, I am NOT advocating the prevention of people in need using, having or bringing their service animals into whatever public place they wish to go.  But some people do have concerns and they are legitimate especially as we see more and more service animals being used, so education as to the use of service animals and their care is very important to prevent business owners and others from having an issue

 

If they are that sick that they go into violent and life threatening asthma attacks just by standing within 10 feet of a small dog, or service dog, shouldn't be going out to a public restaurant to begin with, it's a health risk.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Not sure the pendulum should swing the way of now ostracising people with allergies.

I have a really violent allergy towards mushrooms and fungus being prepared or eaten. I simply choose well, ask if its in foods and don't sit near kitchens. I feel its on me to accommodate it not others.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

People walk in and out of restaurants off the streets. There's no knowing what they also carry

So that negates the cleanliness and allergy issue...

 

Come on, we are talking about animals not people and allergies are a concern to those that have them, especially if you suffer from asthma and allergies.

Anyone who has an allergy so severe that any of those things become an actually issue lives in a bubble at home since they can't stop their neighbors from having dogs. At some point a line has to be drawn because it is simply unrealistic.

 We are talking about an enclosed space, not the outdoors.

 

So we just say screw it to people who suffer from allergies?

 

"Not sure the pendulum should swing the way of now ostracising people with allergies."  Thank you, Nik.

 

As I said it can be a difficult balance to achieve, but not impossible.

 

[Azies]

Not sure the pendulum should swing the way of now ostracising people with allergies.

I have a really violent allergy towards mushrooms and fungus being prepared or eaten. I simply choose well, ask if its in foods and don't sit near kitchens. I feel its on me to accommodate it not others.

 

Yeah but certainly anyone who will fall over dead from inhaling dander shouldn't allow themselves to be put in that situation to begin with, if they're so ill that they have convulsive life threatening attacks whenever they stand next to a small dog, should be in a medical center, not a restaurant.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

Yeah but certainly anyone who will fall over dead from inhaling dander shouldn't allow themselves to be put in that situation to begin with, if they're so ill that they have convulsive life threatening attacks whenever they stand next to a small dog, should be in a medical center, not a restaurant.

 

Life threatening or not we are talking about the comfort and care of the person using the service animal and those around them.  Both involve some give and take.

[Noir Angel]

So what? Being part of the military doesn't put someone above everyone else and give them free reign to break rules. It's harsh that his disability will prevent him from entering some places but I can fully understand why restaurants would be iffy about allowing animals around (regardless of how clean they are).

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Javik: nobody said it does. What are you reading?

[adrynalyne]

So what? Being part of the military doesn't put someone above everyone else and give them free reign to break rules. It's harsh that his disability will prevent him from entering some places but I can fully understand why restaurants would be iffy about allowing animals around (regardless of how clean they are).

Didn't read the thread did you?

 

He broke no rules.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

So what? Being part of the military doesn't put someone above everyone else and give them free reign to break rules. It's harsh that his disability will prevent him from entering some places but I can fully understand why restaurants would be iffy about allowing animals around (regardless of how clean they are).

 

It involves more than just the fact he was in the military.  You really hate the military don't you?  Wow!

[Noir Angel]

Didn't read the thread did you?

 

He broke no rules.

 

He evidently broke one of the restaurant's rules otherwise they would not have refused him entry.

 

It involves more than just the fact he was in the military.  You really hate the military don't you?  Wow!

 

And you'll make any excuse up for them won't you?! It's amusing how people like you seem to reverse their "Businesses should be able to set their own rules" arguments, and practically any other where military are involved in fact.

 

And no, I don't hate them, I just don't blindly hero worship them.

[adrynalyne]

He evidently broke one of the restaurant's rules otherwise they would not have refused him entry.

 

 

And you'll make any excuse up for them won't you?! It's amusing how people like you seem to reverse their "Businesses should be able to set their own rules" arguments, and practically any other where military are involved in fact.

 

And no, I don't hate them, I just don't blindly hero worship them.

The restaurant cannot legally make it a rule to not allow service dogs...

 

So even if they had that rule, it was illegal and cannot be lawfully enforced.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Javik: Please read the thread.  What you've posted so far shows you have not read it because you clearly don't even know what this is about.

[Mohitster]

It is not how smart you are.  Dogs have been proven to help people in many ways to cope with difficulties and obstacles in their lives.  The guy is not stupid, he just is suffering from a condition.

Hear Hear! PTSD is pretty severe in its worst form and Dogs can be trained for multitude of services. 

[+Raze Subscriber²]

He evidently broke one of the restaurant's rules otherwise they would not have refused him entry.

 

 

And you'll make any excuse up for them won't you?! It's amusing how people like you seem to reverse their "Businesses should be able to set their own rules" arguments, and practically any other where military are involved in fact.

 

And no, I don't hate them, I just don't blindly hero worship them.

 

Again you are way off base, (please don't confuse that with a military term). No where did I suggest anything about hero worship.  And I made no excuses for him.  Are you reading this thread or something else?

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Also worth noting.  I can open a business and make any rules I want.  Law overrides them.

[Mohitster]

^ It seems to me, that if you have emotional difficulties, you would avoid going out in public.

It's not fair to generalise emotional difficulties. Not all mentally ill patients like to remain in homes. And socialising is in fact a part of therapy sometimes.   

[ILikeTobacco]

Come on, we are talking about animals not people and allergies are a concern to those that have them, especially if you suffer from asthma and allergies.

 We are talking about an enclosed space, not the outdoors.

 

So we just say screw it to people who suffer from allergies?

 

"Not sure the pendulum should swing the way of now ostracising people with allergies."  Thank you, Nik.

 

As I said it can be a difficult balance to achieve, but not impossible.

 

If someone suffers from the level of allergies, its a none issue to begin with, because they would never leave their house. You point has no relevance because of the reality of the situation. If your allergies are so severe that you can't ever be within 10 feet of a dog or anywhere a dog has been, you will never leave your house and live in a bubble. Everyone else will take their allergy medication and live their normal lives. I have 3 dogs and 4 cats. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to go in public because I am almost guaranteed to have some animal hair/fur on me and someone is bound to have a reaction? That is completely unrealistic. That literally means that anyone who owns a pet can't go out ever because someone may have a reaction. The pet doesn't even have to be there to cause the problem you are so worried about.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

I think the allergies argument has been done to death.  My personal feeling is that by being in the general population outside of your own home, you will encounter more "problematic" issues in the street, car park, sat next to strangers who may own animals, have bad hygiene whatever than just because a dog is there.

 

It is about balance.  It's wholly about balance.

 

And saying that someone who has a legally prescribed support-dog cannot be integrated with everyone else is 100% horse crap!

[+Raze Subscriber²]

If someone suffers from the level of allergies, its a none issue to begin with, because they would never leave their house. You point has no relevance because of the reality of the situation. If your allergies are so severe that you can't ever be within 10 feet of a dog or anywhere a dog has been, you will never leave your house and live in a bubble. Everyone else will take their allergy medication and live their normal lives. I have 3 dogs and 4 cats. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to go in public because I am almost guaranteed to have some animal hair/fur on me and someone is bound to have a reaction? That is completely unrealistic. That literally means that anyone who owns a pet can't go out ever because someone may have a reaction. The pet doesn't even have to be there to cause the problem you are so worried about.

As I said earlier -

 

"Life threatening or not we are talking about the comfort and care of the person using the service animal and those around them.  Both involve some give and take."

[ILikeTobacco]

As I said earlier -

 

"Life threatening or not we are talking about the comfort and care of the person using the service animal and those around them.  Both involve some give and take."

The only thing you could "take" from someone with an animal is tell them they are not allowed to go in public for the comfort of someone that can take pills and/or shots to remedy their issues. It's unrealistic. Based on that alone, I am not allowed in public because I own animals. Hell, I can't even drive my car based on your logic since it has cat hair all over it from the cats in the neighborhood sleeping on it.... still need to figure out how to stop them... I mean, I may pass someone while driving and they have a allergic reaction to it.