10 weirdest JFK assassination conspiracy theories


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Lord Method Man    1,612

You know bullets produce blood spray, etc. on the exit wound, not the entry point?

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FloatingFatMan    21,361

You know bullets produce blood spray, etc. on the exit wound, not the entry point?

 

Stop confusing his fantasy world with reality, darn you! :p

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ted smith    0

The red halo/spray, brain matter, and skull detaching all came out the rear. There is evidence that refutes almost any excuse given in the Jfk assassination.

The very first eyewitness confirms that what we see on jfk's face in Zapruder, really came out the rear of his skull, exactly where the bullet really exited. It is very clear that the rear is breaking open when the red mist appears in the right front.

The President was struck in the forehead, over the right eye. "All of the brain matter went out the back of the head. It was like a red halo, a red circle with bright matter in the middle of it, it just went like that.(She means the mist disappeared into the air). The back of his head blew off, and it doesn't make sense to be hit from the rear and still have your face intact. He must've been hit from the front or side, but the back of his head blew off." Great quotes from eyewitnesses.

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Lord Method Man    1,612

I don't see "the rear breaking open" at all..

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ted smith    0

Here's the now infamous wink, back and to LBJ's right, just before being sworn in. The man to the left in the bowtie is Congressman Albert Thomas, winking at LBJ.

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Dr. Grossman clearly states that the hole was too large to be an entrance wound, because the large irregular hole was a wound of exit. The back of the head was lifted up to demonstrate the large wound on the right rear. Frame 313 and the autopsy report jibe nicely to produce a factual basis for the rear blow-out witnessed by forty or so folks, including Jackie and the driver. Instead of completely lying, Dr. Humes simply understated the missing skull in the Occipital region where the hole was most dominant.

Lastly, Dr. Grossman describes perfectly the confusion about whether a hole exited in the Parietal region: "It was clear to me that the right parietal bone had been lifted up by a bullet which had exited." There was no hole on the top of the head. It was on the right rear and likely the top back/Parietal, not the very top. His hair and skull is clearly lifted up in the second skull image, thereby corroborating Grossman's accurate view of the wounds.

10) Dr. Charles Rufus Baxter, Attending Surgeon:

WR 523 / 17 H 8 / CE392---handwritten report dated 11/22/63----" the

right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying

on the table, with [extensive?] maceration and contusion ";

V. Palamara: 'Medical Reference' book (excerpt)

JFK Lancer

Missile Wounds

1. There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right

involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the

temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual

absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures

approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

11) Dr. Robert G. Grossman, Resident Neurosurgeon:

a) "High Treason", pages 30, 36, 51, 53, 459 ("The Boston Globe", June

21, 1981-notes placed in JFK Library [see also "Killing Kennedy", pp.

303-304, "Between The Signal and the Noise" by Roger Bruce Feinman

(1993) and Groden's "TKOAP", p. 181])---saw two separate head wounds: a

large defect in the parietal area above the right ear, as well as "a

large [albeit smaller than the first wound described], separate wound,

located squarely in the occiput."; " described a large hole squarely in

the occiput, far too large for a bullet entry wound "; Grossman: "It was

clear to me that the right parietal bone had been lifted up by a bullet

which had exited."; noticed the skin flap near the right temple; Dr.

Clark picked up the back of the head to demonstrate the wound;

b) 6 H 81 (Salyer)---confirms Grossman's presence in Trauma Room One;

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ted smith    0

William Greer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bill Greer was a ss agent for almost 18 years when he assassinated JFK. He died in 1985.

Greer was born on a farm in Stewartstown, County Tyrone, Ireland, and emigrated to the United States in 1929.[1] After working for over a decade as a chauffeur and servant to several wealthy families in the Boston and New York areas, including the Lodge family and several years with Franklin Q. Brown of Dobbs Ferry, NY (the 1940 census has him as a live-in servant of Franklin Brown of Dobbs Ferry and in Greer's Warren Commission testimony he said that he worked for a "private family" in Dobbs Ferry for "13 years" before enlisting into the Navy in 1942), Greer enlisted in the U.S. Navy in World War II, was assigned to the presidential yacht in May, 1944, was discharged on September 18, 1945 and then joined the United States Secret Service on October 1, 1945.

Greer took a role close to Kennedy, and can be seen in several pictures with the Kennedy family. He chauffeured the president on many occasions, including the day of the assassination. Like all agents involved, he has been the target of much speculation and criticism for his actions on that day. He testified before the Warren Commission regarding the incident.

Greer retired on disability from the Secret Service in 1966 due to a stomach ulcer that grew worse following the Kennedy assassination.[2][3] In 1973 he relocated to Waynesville, North Carolina, where he eventually died of cancer. Greer's son Richard told author Vince Palamara in 1991 that his father "had absolutely no survivor's guilt."[

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ted smith    0

Since the ss agent driving the President shot him, the conspiracy went to the Whitehouse, which included LBJ. I personally don't think the decision to kill JFK originated with Lyndon, but he knew it was gonna happen and was pleased with being sworn in early that afternoon.

Amazon.com: murder from within: Books

Murder from Within Foreword by Tyler Newcomb

?That which is most simple and obvious is the hardest to fathom? E.A.

Poe

How It All Began

I remember it like it was yesterday. It was early summer in 1966 and I was

sitting at the breakfast table with my father, Fred T. Newcomb while he was

reading a front page article in the L.A. Times written by Robert J. Donovan.

It was a review of a new book written by Edward J. Epstein entitled Inquest.

Suddenly, Dad got up and started pacing the kitchen floor. ?My God,

someone else may have shot Kennedy? were his words. That was how it all

began.

For the next 8 years nearly all of his spare time and money was devoted to

the subject. With the partnership of Perry Adams it eventually culminated in

the writing of Murder From Within in 1974.

Dad and Perry wrote Murder From Within after years of hard work and

thousands of dollars in personal expense. I witnessed this first hand while I

was in college at ASU in Tempe AZ and helped out when I could (for

example buying them the Warren Commissions 26 Volumes and Exhibits

for their use and study and venturing to the National Archives in

Washington DC for documents and to Bill Greer's home in nearby Maryland

(the driver of the Limo that day) to try to interview him in 1973. During this time Dad and his two associates Gil Toff and Roy Dennis telephonically interviewed nearly 50 witnesses comprising 30 hours of tape. Many of these interviews became the basis for the book. One cannot listen to some of the Dallas Police officers interviewed (who smelled ?gunpowder right there in the street? and heard shots ?right next to me?) and not come away convinced there really was gunfire from within the motorcade. One cannot listen to 2 police officers stationed at Parkland Hospital who were standing next to the Limo and who each saw a bullet hole in the windshield and not become convinced of evidence tampering by the Secret Service.

When the book was just about completed they printed up @ 100 copies at a personal cost of far more than $1000 (in the 1970's an enormous expense for their modest incomes and lifestyles). Not For Sale was explicitly stamped at the beginning. All copies were mailed to prominent Senators, Congressmen, FBI Agents and other law enforcement personnel for the express purpose of seriously reopening the case. Perhaps the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations came to be in some small measure from someone there reading Murder From Within? He and Perry were asked to testify.

I often wondered about that and also wondered what motivated my Dad to

do what he did by not trying to market and sell this incredible story. It didn't

make sense to me at the time. I am more pragmatic than my father.

Eventually I realized Dad was not motivated by greed. He was an Idealist on

a mission. After all is said and done (what with all the critics of the critics

complaining about the "money making motivation" for their books) that is to

be admired.

During this time I was in a traveling Rock Show Band The Gringos and

nearly every town we played in I would do a JFK Assassination slide show

and film and audio tape show. A primitive Powerpoint presentation so to

speak in 32 different States at all the Night Clubs we played. I would guess

hundreds of people over the years saw this or heard about this "theory" and

believe it. Nearly Every time I ask them to take their eyes off Kennedy and

watch the Driver while projecting the Zapruder Film (we had a bootleg copy

from Jim Garrison 7 years before Geraldo showed it on TV) a gasp and

groan comes out "Oh My God...he did it". The "optical illusion" on the film

of the Driver turning, aiming, firing and turning back to drive at the moment

Kennedy's head explodes is mind shattering. What are the odds such a thing

could actually happen at that exact instant on the most important amateur

film ever made? The "gun" however upon close frame inspection appears to

be part of Roy Kellerman's hair. But is it? (Fig. Forward -1)

No one can prove it either way because the film was in possession of the

Secret Service and if Dad?s theory is correct they were busy altering the film

itself creating a new original obliterating their complicity in the killing.

For the better part of forty years all of us have been scouring the landscape

for a gunman other than Oswald. We've looked in trees and bushes the sewer

system the Dal-Tex building the overpass everywhere except the most

obvious place, the car itself, which conveniently and by design became both

a portable crime scene and the "get away" car.

All along it was right there in front of us. Our eyes can't believe it. "That's

preposterous" is the first reaction. But it's really the only theory that answers

the oft asked question why did Jackie frantically try to get out of the car?

Was she going for help or trying to retrieve a part of Kennedy's skull? No.

The first law in times of danger is self-preservation. As Lenny Bruce so

inelegantly put it..."She was hauling ass to save ass".

Over the years the 100 + copies of the book became an underground cult

rarity and "must have" in the JFK Assassination Research and Collector

community. Copies of it were cheaply Xeroxed in Canada and illegally sold

from there for $30. These copies made the rounds between researchers and collectors alike.

For years and years I have been asked by scores of people if they could

purchase a copy of the manuscript Murder From Within. I've always politely

declined and told them I only have my one personal signed copy # 95 but

that perhaps someday it will be released and published. That someday has

finally arrived. It is the fondest wish of myself, my sister Valerie and Bonnie

Adams (Perry's widow) to have it legally and professionally printed and

published while Dad is still alive (although ailing). What did Dad say when

we told him about this from his convalescent bed? He smiled and said

simply "get 'er dun".

If you are reading this for first time and all you know about it is "the Driver

did it" theory be prepared to find a lot more to it than just that. Read this

knowing it was written years and years before anyone else had pointed a

finger at the Secret Service and Lyndon Johnson. This theory out of all of

them is the only one that can truly hold together as far as answering the 3

major questions: Why did it happen (motive), Who was responsible and

most important How was it covered up and a scapegoat framed.

Who could have done such a thing and gotten away with The Crime of the

Century? The "simplest explanation is the best" or "Occam's Razor" which is

an old Lawyers Maxim and certainly applies in this case. Only a small,

brutal and fiendishly clever group led by the only person driven to benefit

from the murder directly could have accomplished such a dastardly deed. All of this is certainly not without precedence in history. Going all the way back to Caesar and several Roman emperors (who were done in by their inner circle and by their own praetorian guards) and on up to Napoleon (arsenic poisoning?) Huey Long, Benigno Aquino (army airport security), Anwar Sadat and recently Indhira Ghandi.

Once the power of the Presidency was obtained Lyndon Johnson could and

did control the flow and manipulation of the evidence and also had the

umbrella of cover that if it were exposed it could quite literally collapse the

entire US Government. If exposed as an illegitimate President guilty of a

murder conspiracy the country very well could have descended into a new

civil war. Most people who "knew" kept quiet knowing full well that this is

truly "national security" and must never be exposed lest the entire country fall into complete uncontrollable civil unrest. Did Jackie tell Bobby what she thought? That the car stopped during the shooting? That there was a large exit wound in the back of his head and an ear shattering sound in her left ear combined with awful smell of gunpowder? Did they decide to go along with the official story and wait until 1968 to win back the Presidency and expose it then? We all know what happened to Bobby, don't we?

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FloatingFatMan    21,361

You realise you're talking to yourself, right? Everyone else has gotten bored with your drivel and moved on to more interesting things, like watching paint dry.

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Arachno 1D    7,992

I shot the sheriff but I didn't shoot no deputy

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ted smith    0

Mr. Smith was standing right there and saw Greer's shot hit jfk's forehead. No way out of it, in reality. The whole right rear of his skull is missing.

 

33) Alan Smith---"?the car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead?the car went about five feet and stopped." [Chicago Tribune, 11/23/63, p. 9; Murder From Within by Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams (1974), p. 71]; 

 

Kennedy's Limo Slowed After the Assassination Shooting Began

 

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 http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/excerpt_book2.html

 

I've shown several people the above autopsy photo and all have said the hole on the rear is obvious. It's extra special when at least two Doctors, Grossman and Dulaney had the wound shown to them by jfk's head being lifted up. This leaves no doubt about the rear exit and invalidates any excuse about the wound not being examined closely.

 

12) Dr. Richard Brooks Dulany, Resident Surgeon [Dulaney]:
a) 6 H 114 /testimony (3/25/64)---" he had a large head wound-that was
the first thing I noticed." Arlen Specter did not have him elaborate on
any details
.;

b) other WC references: WR 56, 529; 3 H 358, 384; 6 H 2, 11, 46, 52-53,
69, 73-74; 17 H 14; 21 H 241;
c) "High Treason", pages 43, 46, 460,and 489 ("The Boston Globe",
6/21/81
[see also "Killing Kennedy", page 303])---"The copy of the
autopsy photo
was shown to him by the Globe and he stated that it was
not accurate
. When shown the official picture, he said that there was a
"definite conflict" and "that's not the way I remember it."**; "Somebody
lifted up his head and showed me the back of his head
. We couldn't see
much until they picked up his head. I was standing beside him. The wound
was on the back of his head
. On the back side the whole back-side was
gone.
.it was a big gaping wound."; **"The tape and summary of Dulaney is
in the JFK Library, and I have since talked with him, verifying this.";
 

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FloatingFatMan    21,361

Wow.. Talk about spam...

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riahc3    440

Hello,

All you are doing is copy/pasting from different conspiracy sources. Do you know what gun was used? Do you know what ammo was used? Do you know what is a hollow point? Why is it called like this?

I can copy/paste all day as well but if I personally do not know how to explain what is explained in the source, I have almost no credibility

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ted smith    0

Hello,

All you are doing is copy/pasting from different conspiracy sources. Do you know what gun was used? Do you know what ammo was used? Do you know what is a hollow point? Why is it called like this?

I can copy/paste all day as well but if I personally do not know how to explain what is explained in the source, I have almost no credibility

 

It's all my work. The handgun he used was whited out, therefore it's not really possible to name the exact type. Betzner reported seeing a nickel revolver and others said it sounded like one. The bleached object he's passing is some kind of handgun. My guess is a 38 revolver. Check the frames and notice the outline of the gun reveals itself briefly and quickly goes back to looking like a white oven mitt.

 

Greer passing the gun was not removed or edited out. It's there for all to seehttp://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

 

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"Handgun used"

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: ?Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,?

3. Iona Antonov, ?On the Trail of the President?s Killers: part 2,? New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy ?while others ambushed? Kennedy from closer range.

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected'?from a very high velocity missile?with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range?' This would particularly apply to the skull '?where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"

6. A.J. Millican: ?It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.? <19WCH486>

7. S.M. Holland: ?It would be like you?re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.?

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NightmarE D    203

Wow.. Talk about spam...

Not spam when the person is actually on topic and just sharing their info. What did your last two posts add to the topic? Nothing but trollish comments honestly. Speak only for yourself. Not everyone is bored of the topic. Very annoying when one person tries to speak for all.

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FloatingFatMan    21,361

It's just copy pasta from conspiracy sites. Spam. He's making no attempt to discuss the topic or explain his theories. It's just a wall of reconstituted meat.

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Arachno 1D    7,992

 

The smoke is apparently indicative of the bullet's entry point

Bullets don't produce smoke or any other kind of gas on entry

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Steven P.    17,403

We're a tech forum and I'm not happy with some of the graphic imagery being posted here, especially the last one which I have hidden. Guests can also no longer read topics in this forum.

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ted smith    0

Bullets don't produce smoke or any other kind of gas on entry

 

That's totally false, as all three jfk films produced a clear smoke at the right front of his head, where the driver's bullet entered. Of course a person like myself (telling an obvious truth) will be censored. You are cornered into outright denial of reality. I made the following two gunshot victims into links, which I do not find graphic compared to many death images and other nastiness found around the web.

 

A clear smoke emits at the bullet's entry, one in the front, and the other from the rear. Those are video facts which are totally consistent with all three jfk films. He was shot from front by the driver.

 

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Dot Matrix    7,438

I don't see any truths here. Only wild claims supported with dubious evidence at best.

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Arachno 1D    7,992

Again "bullets do not emit smoke or gas on entry " what you are trying in an benign and naive way to infer to is to the splatter of material caused by an impact which can just as well be and more likely to be seen on an exit wound.Bullet entry causes suction into the wound,this draws external matter into the wound and if said projectile exits the body,some of this matter and body fluid will exit the wound.

As to the injury to the President I have also seen it mentioned the damage to the skull was at the front of the cranium suggesting a shot from the rear.hence even the evidence of the case you provide is suspect

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ted smith    0

The smell of Greer's shot was in the air. According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing back east at 15 mph. That explains the Senators honest account. Not to mention the secret service shooting back. I wonder what agent could have been shooting back in the direction of jfk?

 

Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was  three cars behind Jfk's, (the white car) with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.

 

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FloatingFatMan    21,361

That's totally false, as all three jfk films produced a clear smoke at the right front of his head, where the driver's bullet entered. Of course a person like myself (telling an obvious truth) will be censored. You are cornered into outright denial of reality. I made the following two gunshot victims into links, which I do not find graphic compared to many death images and other nastiness found around the web.

 

A clear smoke emits at the bullet's entry, one in the front, and the other from the rear. Those are video facts which are totally consistent with all three jfk films. He was shot from front by the driver.

 

 

Bullets do NOT produce smoke! The only smoke is from the exploding charge from the bullet CASING, and that either stays in the gun or is ejected onto the floor.  Bullet's themselves are just a lump of metal,  either solid or hollow, and no NO way to produce smoke at all.

 

You're either lying, or are <redacted so I don't get told off>

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Lord Method Man    1,612

We're a tech forum and I'm not happy with some of the graphic imagery being posted here, especially the last one which I have hidden. Guests can also no longer read topics in this forum.

 

Since we're a tech forum, how do you feel about people who apparently create accounts here for no reason other than to copy/paste wackjob conspiracy theories in this thread?

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