First Female Genital Mutilation Charges In UK

[seafirex]

Ok or not is not the topic subject guys, please lest stop in this topic talking about men this is about women getting barbaric practice used against there own will. That could ultimatly kill them or prevent them to know the joy of what sexual pleasure is and on top of that it is cruel and sadistic. ( Hope i wrote those words correctly in english ) . We need to get back on topics i know this is like talking of goverment we can get in a debate but lets not do this and keep it on par please. 

[compl3x]

Please explain to my why cutting off an INFANTS foreskin is acceptable.  Explain to me why an infant should be in extreme pain.. and bleeding.. and losing a part of their body because you think it's okay.   Explain to me why it is a good thing?  Should we go around cutting off peoples middle finger because it's not "Needed"?  Should we force everyone to have a shaved head.. or remove their spleen because you don't NEED it?

The foreskin is a living organ, it protects the penis head and prevents abraisions, loss of sensation, ensures lubractions, and does much much more.  The reason for circumcision was to reduce the sexual pleasure (same goes for females).. it serves no medically proven (any medical proof is disproven, or shown to be 100% circumstantial) purpose.  Now it is done because it's "Normal".   If it was how it was supposed to be.. humans would have evolved to the point of not having them any more.  All animals have a foreskin or protective covering.. humans are no different.  We just have some sick twisted doctors that like to play with little boys privates and get away with it.  

So don;t even start with it being a good thing.  Why should we be allowed to mutilate and #### with infant males genitals.. when it is illegal to do so on a female?

 

 

I was being sarcastic about the fact when people have tried to ban circumcision the Jews and Muslims call it persecution. I am anti-circumcision.

[compl3x]

that is why I don't like ignorant and arrogant western, that is why I do not like dominating invading imperialist west. BTW, I am more western than you, but definitely I am not pro-western at all. As I said, when it comes to Medicine and Law there is no one here can give me any advice. Good luck in your future ignorant and disrespectful life. yes it is dick, duck, ######.

 

 

You're in Victoria, Australia and you're complaining about how much you dislike the West? I'm sure you can leave if the West isn't to your liking.

[The Evil Overlord]

Religious nonsense should NEVER be allowed sway when it comes to mutilating an infant.

Also, duck? Say penis. It's what it is.

As for smegma, never heard of soap & water?

Good, I'm glad you find it offensive. I have zero problem with being offensive to people who practice barbaric religious rituals on defenseless babies.

And smegma is not precancerous. Where the hell did you hear THAT nonsense?

Everyone should be free to practice whatever they believe in except where doing so causes harm to others. Then it should be prohibited.

If you want to harm yourself, go for it. Quit harming others.

My god. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list, I'm getting tired of your opinionated responses, I am not a second rate citizen, and do not appreciate being spoken down to. And for the record I wasn't condoning the topic, I was just attempting a dialogue.

[FloatingFatMan]

My god. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list, I'm getting tired of your opinionated responses, I am not a second rate citizen, and do not appreciate being spoken down to. And for the record I wasn't condoning the topic, I was just attempting a dialogue.

 

if you don't want to talk to me, put me on ignore. Otherwise, tough.

[The Evil Overlord]

Lol diplomacy hard at work

I wonder about that no drama rule sometimes..

[HawkMan]

My god. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list, I'm getting tired of your opinionated responses, I am not a second rate citizen, and do not appreciate being spoken down to. And for the record I wasn't condoning the topic, I was just attempting a dialogue.

 

Why are you attacking the person instead of giving responses to his claims and replies? your reply just makes it seems like you don't have any counter arguments when you attack the person. 

[FloatingFatMan]

Why are you attacking the person instead of giving responses to his claims and replies? your reply just makes it seems like you don't have any counter arguments when you attack the person. 

 

When people fear the message, they attack the messenger. :p

[Ice_Blue]

Why?  How many cases have you heard where a male asks why he wasn't allowed to choose?  I for one am glad it happened when I was an infant.  I do not remember it, I have no complications from it and everything works and feels as normal.

 

However, I'm not wanting to turn this a pro/con male circumcision thread.  

 

The point is that female genital mutilation and male circumcision can not be compared.  They are apples and oranges.  While the male retains all "pleasure" and functionality after circumcision ...female genital mutilation potentially causes bladder and urinary tract infections, increased childbirth complications/deaths and the list goes on...with the end result is that they lose sexual pleasure all because of the underlying gender structure and power relations.  That is it...nothing else.

 

If circumcision is barbaric...then a stronger word than barbarism would describe female genital mutilation.  

 

Anyway, if male circumcision involved cutting off the glans penis...then you could compare the two.  You do not hear about to many males wishing they had their foreskin back...I wonder how many of the 125 million females that this has been done on wish they could experience the pleasures of sex.

 

Believe me, you don't know what you're missing.

[+Raze Subscriber²]

My god. Do me a favour and put me on your ignore list, I'm getting tired of your opinionated responses, I am not a second rate citizen, and do not appreciate being spoken down to. And for the record I wasn't condoning the topic, I was just attempting a dialogue.

 

It's what those two do best, condescending is their style, arrogance their crutch.  When they attack someone it's acceptable, when you remind them they cry it's you attacking them.  ;)

[The Evil Overlord]

Why are you attacking the person instead of giving responses to his claims and replies? your reply just makes it seems like you don't have any counter arguments when you attack the person.

I didn't realise I was, like when you and I used to converse, I'm trying to learn to post in a more diplomatic fashion so that any dialogue would be constructive and enjoyable.

Now I'll admit I do fail at this, I'm still learning, but condescending posts tend to put me on the defensive, amd then I struggle at a response.

You and I have been through this already, which is what taught me that a different approach helped in our conversation.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Believe me, you don't know what you're missing.

 

So, you're telling me that you've experienced sex circumcised and uncircumcised?  Only then can you tell me "you don't know what you're missing".  

[Ice_Blue]

I didn't realise I was, like when you and I used to converse, I'm trying to learn to post in a more diplomatic fashion so that any dialogue would be constructive and enjoyable.

Now I'll admit I do fail at this, I'm still learning, but condescending posts tend to put me on the defensive, amd then I struggle at a response.

You and I have been through this already, which is what taught me that a different approach helped in our conversation.

 

This is a forum. On the Internet.

Someone postulates something, whether it is an idea, a concept, a viewpoint or something else.

They are thereby inviting responses to what they posted.

 

You gave yours. Whether they agree or disagree with your response is irrelevant. They expected a response.

Let them deal with it. If they can't, they should not expose themselves to arenas like Internet forums, which, by their very nature, are unforgiving.

[Ice_Blue]

So, you're telling me that you've experienced sex circumcised and uncircumcised?  Only then can you tell me "you don't know what you're missing".  

 

Innuendo, It's an acquired taste.

 

I will, however say: I am not circumcised. I can, however, simulate circumcision during sex. Do you have that option? To simulate NOT being circumcised?

[The Evil Overlord]

This is a forum. On the Internet.

Someone postulates something, whether it is an idea, a concept, a viewpoint or something else.

They are thereby inviting responses to what they posted.

 

You gave yours. Whether they agree or disagree with your response is irrelevant. They expected a response.

Let them deal with it. If they can't, they should not expose themselves to arenas like Internet forums, which, by their very nature, are unforgiving.

I don't have a problem with a disagreement, irrespective of accuracy, hell, I believe the best way to learn is to ask, you may know a great deal more about me in <enter specialist field here> now if I'm wrong, I'd expect a response stated where I went wrong and why, (It's what I would do) I respect your post, and value anyone's post who is prepared to enter into a discussion without sounding like a condescending bigot, ok this is a sensitive subject, some believe it's barbaric, some don't.

I don't know where I stand on this matter, if it was a clearly drawn line, I'd be standing closer to the side of 'barbaric' too.

But I'm not in power to change any 'policy' good or bad, I just feel if I, at least, try to show some respect in my asking a question (ok I fail at this more often than not) I would prefer a thought out response, there's enough ugliness and hostility in the world without having it follow into some forum I use as an 'escape' <for lack of a better word>

Like a lot of people on the Internet, you did not get my point.

It was tongue in cheek.

 

I will, however say: I am not circumcised. I can, however, simulate circumcision during sex. Do you have that option? To simulate NOT being circumcised?

Sorry, did you mean 'pull the foreskin all the way back during a full erection' in that post?

(Just so I understood what you meant)

[Ice_Blue]

I don't have a problem with a disagreement, irrespective of accuracy, hell, I believe the best way to learn is to ask, you may know a great deal more about me in <enter specialist field here> now if I'm wrong, I'd expect a response stated where I went wrong and why, (It's what I would do) I respect your post, and value anyone's post who is prepared to enter into a discussion without sounding like a condescending bigot, ok this is a sensitive subject, some believe it's barbaric, some don't.

I don't know where I stand on this matter, if it was a clearly drawn line, I'd be standing closer to the side of 'barbaric' too.

But I'm not in power to change any 'policy' good or bad, I just feel if I, at least, try to show some respect in my asking a question (ok I fail at this more often than not) I would prefer a thought out response, there's enough ugliness and hostility in the world without having it follow into some forum I use as an 'escape' <for lack of a better word>

 

Point is, you said your piece, which you are entitled to.

Unless you said something which was factually incorrect, you are under no obligation to defend what you said.

[Ice_Blue]

Quote: Sorry, did you mean 'pull the foreskin all the way back during a full erection' in that post?

 

I do so before putting on the condom.

 

The overall effect would (IMO) be close to that of being circumcised.

 

This is not something I do regularly. Just one or two times in the past.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Quote: Sorry, did you mean 'pull the foreskin all the way back during a full erection' in that post?

 

I do so before putting on the condom.

 

The overall effect would (IMO) be close to that of being circumcised.

 

This is not something I do regularly. Just one or two times in the past.

 

Love it.  So that makes you the expert in distinguishing the difference in circumcised and uncircumcised sex.

 

Anyway, not entirely sure why you responded to my previous remarks.  I made it fairly clear that I really do not care about circumcised vs uncircumcised discussions.  My main comments were directed at some people claiming that female genital mutilation was the exact same as circumcision...which it isn't.  

 

In other words...I do not care about the subject for which you and others have hijacked this thread about.

[DocM]

FGM and circumcision are only similar in the removal of the foreskin and the clitoral hood, which share a developmental origin.

To be 100% the same the entire glans and part of the penile shaft would also have to be removed, along with mods to parts of the scrotum (developmentally related to the labia via the fetal labioscrotal swellings).

Also, studies quoted by CDC of adult men who have had circumcisions report no to little difference in sensation.

Speaking from personal experience (ahem), the reinnervation of post-circumcision new tissue is quite complete. Teanslation: it's far from numb kiddies.