First Female Genital Mutilation Charges In UK

[He's Dead Jim]

Male circumcision can prevent disease in both sexes, but different ones. Centers for Disease Control info page,

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/

As for female circumcision, it usually imvolves infibulation; removal of the exposed tip of the clitoris, cutting & stitching together the labia etc.. This, of course, can cause a loss of stimulation and other problems including chronic pain and infection.

Fortunately in most cases enough of the clitoris remains below the surface (it's longer than most people think) that a relatively simple procedure can bring the surviving clitoral tissue to the surface and mostly un-do the other changes.

Yup DocM, there was a recent documentary regarding AIDS which found that the lowest rate of hetreosexual partner infection was amongst circumcised men.

 

And another recent documentary featured "cut" women who had undergone genital reconstruction, and ninety percent were able to achieve orgasm folowing the surgery.

[AsherGZ]

It's not normal though and you now lack nerve endings that would make it feel more than it does.  You can thank your parents for that.

I can live with that if it means that I use my brain and not my dick to make decisions for me in life. I dread thinking that if without these nerve endings I feel this much then how much do people with them intact feel. That's not normal. It's animalistic, because animals are ruled by their desires for sex and hunger and it gets them killed most of the time. And its apparent in western society where people are ruled by these desires.

 

And I agree with warwagon, I'd never noticed it before until one of my female friends referred to it as a pig in blanket and then I was like whoa, totally.  :D

[McKay]

AsherGZ, on 21 Mar 2014 - 16:20, said:

I can live with that if it means that I use my brain and not my dick to make decisions for me in life. I dread thinking that if without these nerve endings I feel this much then how much do people with them intact feel. That's not normal. It's animalistic, because animals are ruled by their desires for sex and hunger and it gets them killed most of the time. And its apparent in western society where people are ruled by these desires.

And I agree with warwagon, I'd never noticed it before until one of my female friends referred to it as a pig in blanket and then I was like whoa, totally. :D

It doesn't make you hornier, just makes sex feel better.

warwagon, on 21 Mar 2014 - 15:50, said:

3 Things

1) I'm circumcised

2) Do I remmber getting circumcised as a baby, um NO! So it caused me pain as a baby why do I care, I don't remember it.

3) I'm not gay, but while watching porn i've had to chance to see circumcised vs uncircumcised .... uncircumcised is one ugly ass looking penis.

Babies not remembering being circumcised is not an excuse to be in favour of it, or it'd be applied to female circumcism at babies. It probably looks "ugly" to you because it's different from what you're used to.

[FloatingFatMan]

Obviously there are medical reasons why operations need to be done later in life, I am waiting to be circumcised as my frenulum snapped during sex, and never healed right, meaning my foreskin splits during sex which is painful, a freuloplasty hasn't fixed it so I have to have it removed.

 

Ouch dude! I winced just reading that! I hope they sort you out, chop chop! :p

[FloatingFatMan]

For those that agree with male circumcision; watch it being done, note how they have to essentially tie the baby down, listen to the baby SCREAM IN AGONY AND TERROR as they cut his foreskin off with ZERO pain relief, then come back and tell us you agree with it.

 

This should be a conscious choice, not something forced on a helpless infant.

[MikeChipshop Member]

Good stuff!

I trained for years as a youth worker and specialised in several areas, female genital mutilation being one of them and it's a truly barbaric thing. 

 

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm quite serious.  Both male and female circumcision are barbaric practices and both should be treated the same.  There's no benefit to either.

 

Jakem, please god look this up before you make such ridiculous claims. The two are in no way the same and to think they are shows a severe lack of understanding on the issue.

[+Warwagon MVC]

For those that agree with male circumcision; watch it being done, note how they have to essentially tie the baby down, listen to the baby SCREAM IN AGONY AND TERROR as they cut his foreskin off with ZERO pain relief, then come back and tell us you agree with it.

 

This should be a conscious choice, not something forced on a helpless infant.

 

I'm sure I probably screamed like hell when I had it done when I was born, but I don't remember it, so it's all good.

[McKay]

Jakem, please god look this up before you make such ridiculous claims. The two are in no way the same and to think they are shows a severe lack of understanding on the issue.

 

In your opinion why is male circumcism performed not for medical reasons different? Considering it puts both sexes in immense pain during. And outside of doing it for medical issues, both practices are done for religious reasons. 

 

 

I'm sure I probably screamed like hell when I had it done when I was born, but I don't remember it, so it's all good.

 

 

I disagree with putting babies in immense pain, for something that should be their own choice to make, purely because the person won't remember the pain. I especially disagree with "its all good". As a father you'll go out of your way to protect your baby from all other harm. 

[+Warwagon MVC]

In your opinion why is male circumcism performed not for medical reasons different? Considering it puts both sexes in immense pain during. And outside of doing it for medical issues, both practices are done for religious reasons. 

 

 

 

 

I disagree with putting babies in immense pain, for something that should be their own choice to make, purely because the person won't remember the pain. I especially disagree with "its all good". As a father you'll go out of your way to protect your baby from all other harm. 

 

 

I would MUCH rather have it done when i'm a baby, so I can't remember it, then choose to have it done when i'm a lot older. I've heard if you have it done when older it's very painful. So if it's going to be painful regardless I'd prefer to have no memory of it.

 

But that's just me

[Crisp]

So much dick in this thread.

[vcfan]

its the best birthday present I've ever had. my wife would agree.

[McKay]

I would MUCH rather have it done when i'm a baby, so I can't remember it, then choose to have it done when i'm a lot older. I've heard if you have it done when older it's very painful. So if it's going to be painful regardless I'd prefer to have no memory of it.

 

But that's just me

 

Wouldn't you rather not have it happen at all? Its an immensely personal thing and one I don't believe other people should be able to make that decision on your behalf. 

[+Warwagon MVC]

Wouldn't you rather not have it happen at all? Its an immensely personal thing and one I don't believe other people should be able to make that decision on your behalf. 

 

I'm glad It was done.

[MikeChipshop Member]

In your opinion why is male circumcism performed not for medical reasons different? Considering it puts both sexes in immense pain during. 

 

There's a hell of a lot less nerve endings in the foreskin, the procedure is normally sterile and clean where as the procedure for FGM is generally far more barbaric.

 

80% of FMG cases involve a razor blade, a lot of scrapping and due to religious beliefs, no aesthetic. I've even seen a video where many girls were routinely performed on with a piece of a coke can... wtf man?

 

Let's also point out that religious circumcisions are generally carried out at or close to birth (unless later for medical reasons) where as FMG is carried out on girls at the beginning of puberty they are also usually taken against their will back to their parents home land (usually Pakistan etc). It's a very different kettle of fish and i urge any one to give it a read up, it truly is a gnarly practice.

 

Personally i've worked with several young ladies with PTSD and various deformities, loss of use of their sexual organs etc, you'd be hard pressed to find the same with Male circumcision.

[+Warwagon MVC]

Anyone who wants to vote on the subject

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1205975-poll-are-you-circumcised-do-youw-wish-you-had-or-had-not-been-or-wish-it-was-your-choice/?p=596323157

[FloatingFatMan]

^ I've read up plenty and know the difference. I'm happy to agree that FGM is infinitely worse them MGM and anyone caught doing it deserves the harshest punishment possible.

 

However, doing it to males is STILL barbaric, just less so, and is still 100% wrong.

 

If I was in physical presence of someone making a baby scream like that, I'd absolutely stop them.

[SiCKX]

Their rights of chopping clits are violated, they should sue back.

[McKay]

There's a hell of a lot less nerve endings in the foreskin, the procedure is normally sterile and clean where as the procedure for FGM is generally far more barbaric.

80% of FMG cases involve a razor blade, a lot of scrapping and due to religious beliefs, no aesthetic. I've even seen a video where many girls were routinely performed on with a piece of a coke can... wtf man?

Let's also point out that religious circumcisions are generally carried out at or close to birth (unless later for medical reasons) where as FMG is carried out on girls at the beginning of puberty they are also usually taken against their will back to their parents home land (usually Pakistan etc). It's a very different kettle of fish and i urge any one to give it a read up, it truly is a gnarly practice.

Personally i've worked with several young ladies with PTSD and various deformities, loss of use of their sexual organs etc, you'd be hard pressed to find the same with Male circumcision.

I'm not referring to the methods used, I'm referring to the idea of circumcism. Right now in the west female circumcism is only allowed to be performed on consenting adults aged 18 or over, in hospitals etc. Yet male circumcism is allowed to be performed on boys of all ages. In those circumstances I don't see why female circumcism is regarded as different.

Id condone all back alley circumcism performed by untrained people without medical tools.

[Praetor]

Comparing female genital mutilation with male circumcision is like comparing apples and oranges; different meanings and ends. Also please provide the source of studies that show that Male circumcision is hazardous and has no medical advantages either.

[McKay]

Comparing female genital mutilation with male circumcision is like comparing apples and oranges; different meanings and ends. Also please provide the source of studies that show that Male circumcision is hazardous and has no medical advantages either.

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-study-estimates-neonatal-circumcision-death-rate-higher-than-suffocation-and-auto-accidents

According to this 128 babies die a year in the USA in circumcism complications.

And this goes into non fatal complications which arise

http://www.examiner.com/article/circumcision-s-complications-what-could-go-wrong

[firey]

Comparing female genital mutilation with male circumcision is like comparing apples and oranges; different meanings and ends. Also please provide the source of studies that show that Male circumcision is hazardous and has no medical advantages either.

Well, here is something from the Canadian Pediatric Society.  It is a little dated.. but still valid nonetheless

http://www.cirp.org/pages/riley/cps1

 

And a yahoo article talking about it (with links and details):

http://voices.yahoo.com/dangers-circumcision-male-infants-2053436.html

 

Also, I'd like to point out.. anything I found relating to "Pro Circumcision" was purely American.  There was NOTHING candian, european, asian, etc that recommended it.

[MikeChipshop Member]

I'm not referring to the methods used, I'm referring to the idea of circumcism. Right now in the west female circumcism is only allowed to be performed on consenting adults aged 18 or over, in hospitals etc. Yet male circumcism is allowed to be performed on boys of all ages. In those circumstances I don't see why female circumcism is regarded as different.

Id condone all back alley circumcism performed by untrained people without medical tools.

 

I'm sure you all want to know this, but i'm not circumcised :p

 

I totally agree that the removal of a human body part before that person can make the choice themselves, because the religion says so is ridiculous. Also, what do they play with when they're on the phone? :p

[Praetor]

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-study-estimates-neonatal-circumcision-death-rate-higher-than-suffocation-and-auto-accidents

According to this 128 babies die a year in the USA in circumcism complications.

And this goes into non fatal complications which arise

http://www.examiner.com/article/circumcision-s-complications-what-could-go-wrong

 

just read both articles and it's kind of shocking to see that the majority of surgical procedures (and being a surgical procedure there's risks, even death, as you all know but most people forget about it) in males are made by obstetricians, which is totally wrong.

Also, I'd like to point out.. anything I found relating to "Pro Circumcision" was purely American.  There was NOTHING candian, european, asian, etc that recommended it.

 

that's because no other country does it like the Americans do! it's part of the culture.

[firey]

that's because no other country does it like the Americans do! it's part of the culture.

 

Right but my point is if it is so beneficial.. why is it really only an American thing? It's _DONE_ in other countries.. but not like the US.  It's not like Breast Feeding which is promoted everywhere.. or schooling.. or various other things child related that are done pretty much everywhere you go.

[xrobwx71]

 

 

There are many males that wish they had not been circumcised.  I wonder how many of the millions of males wish they could experience ALL of the pleasures of sex.   

I am neither pro nor con but was wondering. How does one measure the above statement? Has there been blind studies? If so how do you rule out the human condition in being that one "feels" different from another? There are so many variables in "feeling" that could not possibly be measured with any accuracy. I mean, I can say  "I am circumcised and when I rub my penis it "feels" great". (That was Tuesday) Then I took some ecstasy on Friday and when I rubbed it I say "Man that was the best "feeling" I ever experienced". The true could be said for an uncircumcised person. It's just not black and white when it pertains to how something "feels" to a person.