Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)


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I think the film will look great, it doesn't come out for another year, they're going to keep working on the CGI and other post-production work.   I think it looks great, then again I don't have a problem with Snyders style, it's his own, I can respect that.

 

I don't think it will change that much, the oil rig scene in Man of Steel for instance looked incredibly fake in the trailer and didn't change for the movie. The problem, as I said, is that he started employing an almost documentary style in terms of camera work -- shaky cam, lens flares, quick zooms etc, but then he'll add incredibly fake CGI on top of that, which just makes it even more jarring. I don't have an issue with CGI, it's understandable he'll use it, but I don't get why he mixes the 300-like CGI with a movie that strives for a realistic tone and appearance. It's for instance one of the things I hate the most about Watchmen, a movie I find in all other ways very good, and a pretty great adaptation, considering the limitations of the movie format and its running time.

 

On a side note, how freaking amazing would a 12 episode Watchmen mini-series be?

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The Dark Knight relied on practical effects because Batman has no superpowers. If you want a Superman movie, you have to have CGI, sorry. And I didn't see a single shot in the entire trailer that made me think "oh wow look at that blatant CG".

You've got to be joking, surely? The second scene in the trailer has a cartoon-like Superman descend from the sky and the entire background is CGI. Then there's the end of the trailer, which the CGI is equally poor. I'm critical of Marvel's CGI

Nope, actually never heard of it. Is it good?

Yeah. Collider Movie Talk, formerly AMC Movie Talk, is a YouTube channel that follows movies. There's a spinoff show called Collider Heroes that discussed the idea of a 12-episode Watchmen miniseries just last week:

 

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Yeah. Collider Movie Talk, formerly AMC Movie Talk, is a YouTube channel that follows movies. There's a spinoff show called Collider Heroes that discussed the idea of a 12-episode Watchmen miniseries just last week:

 

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Cool, I might give them a listen sometimes. My main problem with podcasts is that I usually listen to them while on the computer, and I tend to lose focus as I'm pretty much always doing something else at the same time. I have a very short attention span.

 

But yes, Watchmen as a mini-series, done on a premium cable channel or Netflix, that would be an amazing way to tell the story.

I just don't like Zack Snyder's style at all. DC had it right with the Dark Knight trilogy and now everything has become overly dramatic and emo.

I too don't care for Snyder's style, but I also never cared for the style of The Dark Knight trilogy either. And Nolan's Batman films were over dramatic too & very self serious.

I think Tim Burton's original Batman movie is aesthetically the best comic book movie I've seen.

 

 

It's a shame, as Zack Snyder's previous superhero movie, Watchmen, is one of my favourite films but it seems that was just a fluke.

 

You've lost me here. I think Watchmen is a pretty bad film. It completely butchers the source material & is visually bland as hell.

I too don't care for Snyder's style, but I also never cared for the style of The Dark Knight trilogy either. And Nolan's Batman films were over dramatic too & very self serious.

I thought the tone was just right, particularly for The Dark Knight. With Man Of Steel and what I've seen of Batman V Superman the drama is far too over-the-top and the characters far too one-dimensional.

 

You've lost me here. I think Watchmen is a pretty bad film. It completely butchers the source material & is visually bland as hell.

Just out of interest, have you seen the Ultimate Cut? That adds nearly an hour of extra footage. For me it's a film that had so much atmosphere and such compelling characters. Unlike most modern films every scene had room to breathe and it was all the more immersive because of that - it also wasn't all action, which was a refreshing change. I can't speak to how faithful it was to the source material but as a film I regard it as one of my favourite comic book movies.

 

I was hoping that there would be an Ultimate Cut for Man Of Steel, as every scene in that movie seemed rushed. The pacing was frenetic yet there was no character to it. Unfortunately Snyder has said that the pacing was deliberate and there likely won't be an extended version.

I thought the tone was just right, particularly for The Dark Knight. With Man Of Steel and what I've seen of Batman V Superman the drama is far too over-the-top and the characters far too one-dimensional.

 

 

Just out of interest, have you seen the Ultimate Cut? That adds nearly an hour of extra footage. For me it's a film that had so much atmosphere and such compelling characters. Unlike most modern films every scene had room to breathe and it was all the more immersive because of that - it also wasn't all action, which was a refreshing change. I can't speak to how faithful it was to the source material but as a film I regard it as one of my favourite comic book movies.

 

I was hoping that there would be an Ultimate Cut for Man Of Steel, as every scene in that movie seemed rushed. The pacing was frenetic yet there was no character to it. Unfortunately Snyder has said that the pacing was deliberate and there likely won't be an extended version.

 

Yea, I recently give it another go with the Ultimate cut, though I gave up about 2 hours in.

 

I agree, Man of Steel did feel very frenetic and the action scenes became very tiring. I expect it will probably be the same here.

Yea, I recently give it another go with the Ultimate cut, though I gave up about 2 hours in.

Fair enough. :)

 

I agree, Man of Steel did feel very frenetic and the action scenes became very tiring. I expect it will probably be the same here.

Yeah. Mad Max: Fury Road proved that you can have an all action film with limited dialogue and still make it compelling, whereas films like Man Of Steel and Age Of Ultron fell flat. To me Superman seemed like an extra in his own film - Zod was the more compelling character.

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Batman looks obese and over-weight, rather than looking athletic.

You really pulling the last strings of an olden sweater....

You cannot complain about trailer, because it is pretty decent.

You cannot complain about affleck. Since, it looks like he is doing an ok job...

So.... you got nothing.

Ohhh. Wait. you can call him fat. Score!

Good job not impressing anyone ;)

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Why does Jesse feel like he's playing more of a joker than lex

 

 

Take the Nolan one for example.  Muscular, yes, but hardly as intimidating.

 

I'd still run the other way.

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IMO, this is by far the best looking Batman ever. I haven't really liked any of the past live action Batman portrayals. Animated and video games are a different story, but live action this is the best. Bale could have been good but I seriously tore my hair out at the sound of his awful Batman voice.

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I believe the first major difference between this and Nolans batman suits are the armor.  If you go back and look at the suit Affleck is using, it's got nowhere near the "armor plating" look to it that the above Nolan suit does.  Guys, that's 90% Ben, he's buffed up, look at the comic con panel when he's standing next to Harvy, he's f'ing huge man.   The new suit has very little "padding" and "armor"  It's more like the traditional comic/animated version where it's really just a thin suit and it's shape is mostly just how batman is physically as appose to any rubber or Kevlar armor/padding making him look built/buff.

The difference between this and Nolan's batman is that his batman was more the "real life" batman. Example his suit was pretty much retrofitted from something else, and no real over the top comic book moments. 

 

Do you think Superman would fit in Nolan's films? No.. 

 

Anyways, Superman > Batman.

The difference between this and Nolan's batman is that his batman was more the "real life" batman. Example his suit was pretty much retrofitted from something else, and no real over the top comic book moments.

Batman has had numerous uniforms ranging from plain to heavy armor, even in Nolan's films there were mods, so all of them are actually canon.

Do you think Superman would fit in Nolan's films? No..

Yes. They could easily have, but didn't. A pity.

Anyways, Superman > Batman.

You are clearly not a serious comic/graphic novel reader as Bats has taken on Superman & metahumans several times and either beaten them or fought them to a draw. More often than not it was superior preparation and/or trickery that won the day.

Batman isn't just physically tough, he excells at using superior tactics and strategy. Brains over brawn.

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Dude, I've been a Superman and Batman fan my entire life!! Haha, my apartment is littered with Superman stuff (along with BTTF lol). And I know he's beaten him.... TDKR etc..

 

Mind you, above post was all my opinion. Personally, I don't think Superman would've fitted in Nolan's Batman Universe - same with the Keating Universe. Like, there's no magic\aliens\powers in those versions\universes. Hopefully someone kinda sees where I'm coming from. I dunno, The Avengers, that's all BS, same with any Superman movie. Catch my drift? That's all I was trying to say haha. 

 

Either way, I prefer Superman over Batman and can't wait for this movie lol.

I'm much more interested in talking about the possible story than how people think Ben looks (fat or buff),  I'm hearing rumors of a possible doomsday as the final bad guy in this movie?  People have said that the final 25mins of the film is a giant fight, and has to be when WW joins in, as per the trailer.   And I doubt she gets in the middle of the initial batman v superman fight, that's probably around the middle point of the film I bet, as much as Snyder wants to make it sound like their fight is the whole movie, I think it's just one fight of a few we'll see.

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Well we know for sure that it won't be the geeky clumsy mild mannered type :p I think he will just be a "normal" type of guy, more or less how he was in man of steel.

 

 

As for Ben and his size, I think it looks spot on for Batman, definitely preferring his build to Bale's, although the suit is what is adding the muscle definition but I don't really have any issues with that.

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