EBOLA Outbreak

[adrynalyne]

Actually, no. "Common belief" says otherwise, the history books, don't.

 

It was only ever a belief amongst a -small- number of the peasant class.

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

[FloatingFatMan]

Uh huh. :rolleyes:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/05/people-in-columbus-time-did-not-think-the-world-was-flat/

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/historicalmyths/a/histmyths7.htm

http://www.universetoday.com/48753/flat-earth-theory/

 

There's lots more, if you want.

 

http://bit.ly/1CCgVsS

[adrynalyne]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/05/people-in-columbus-time-did-not-think-the-world-was-flat/

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/historicalmyths/a/histmyths7.htm

http://www.universetoday.com/48753/flat-earth-theory/

 

There's lots more, if you want.

 

http://bit.ly/1CCgVsS

Did you really cite Wikipedia? LOL... https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm Looks like more than just peasants, heh.  Sources are at the bottom.

 

Thats all I have left to say on this, I've no interest in arguing with someone who speaks in absolutes and is trying to claim fact on something he didn't experience.

 

I mean, I was there in my classes as a child when it was read from our academic books.  

[theyarecomingforyou]

You have done the same thing by not showing why the experts are right.  Lets see that example of where a travel ban helped spread a disease??  You call it a deflection.  I call it showing that you have no evidence to backup your own claims other than cite "experts".

What will happen if you implement a travel ban? Infected people will simply find ways around the ban and lie about their conditions, making it impossible to track those infected; it would also prevent the necessary medical staff from reaching the country, impeding efforts to contain the outbreak. That actually INCREASES the risk to countries like the UK and US. To ignore the opinions of experts is simply foolish.

I explained why earlier and you have yet to refute it. You're just being unreasonable.

 

Experts once called the world flat...

No: Myth Of The Flat Earth

 

Your understanding of scientific history is demonstrably wrong. When you refuse to accept reason there is no basis for an informed discussion. The evidence suggests that a travel ban would be counter-productive - the onus is on you to demonstrate otherwise. Part of the problem is that you see things in absolutes, that if there is a ban then no-one can get around it. The reality is entirely different.

 

 

Some health experts insist now is not the time to start a travel ban, especially given the disease is still extremely contained in the U.S. and that the only people who have caught it here are two Dallas health care workers who cared for an Ebola patient who later died.

 

Their key objection is that such a ban could prevent needed medical supplies, food and health care workers from reaching Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, the West Africa countries hit hardest by the epidemic. Without that aid, the expert say, the deadly virus might spread to wider areas of Africa, making it even more of a threat to the U.S. and the world.

 

In addition, preventing people from the affected countries from traveling to the U.S. could be difficult to enforce and might generate counterproductive results, such as people lying about their travel history or attempting to evade screening, they say.

 

Though it would be theoretically possible to get supplies and medical personnel into West Africa even while shutting down commercial air travel, in practice it would turn into a logistical nightmare, the experts say.

 

They also cite expenses and difficulties in chartering private aircraft or enlisting the military's assistance to transport thousands of personnel and huge amounts of supplies from around the world that is now moving freely on scheduled air travel.

Source: Fox News

 

Even Fox News explains why a travel ban would be a mistake.

[adrynalyne]

 

 

I explained why earlier and you have yet to refute it. You're just being unreasonable.

 

 

 

Your theory is unproven and thus not fact like you claim it to be.

 

If you state an absolute, you should at least prove it.  Something you have not done.

 

Me:

Ebola is infectious: check.

Ebola made it to the US from Liberia: check.

Restricting travel until such time that incubation period has passed could have prevented the cases in the US: check.

Preventing other countries from being infected from the US (or further infections coming in) can be lessened and possibly prevented: check.

 

You:

Restricting travel will increase an infection.  LOLWUT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No: Myth Of The Flat Earth

 

Your understanding of scientific history is demonstrably wrong. When you refuse to accept reason there is no basis for an informed discussion. The evidence suggests that a travel ban would be counter-productive - the onus is on you to demonstrate otherwise. Part of the problem is that you see things in absolutes, that if there is a ban then no-one can get around it. The reality is entirely different.

 

 

Who said anything about scientific history?  I didn't...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Source: Fox News

 

Even Fox News explains why a travel ban would be a mistake.

 

 

So now its convenient  for you to support Fox News?  Wow...

[FloatingFatMan]

Did you really cite Wikipedia? LOL... https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flateart.htm Looks like more than just peasants, heh.  Sources are at the bottom.

 

Thats all I have left to say on this, I've no interest in arguing with someone who speaks in absolutes and is trying to claim fact on something he didn't experience.

 

I mean, I was there in my classes as a child when it was read from our academic books.  

 

Nothing wrong with citing wikipedia, just as long as it's not the sole citation, which it wasn't.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Your theory is unproven and thus not fact like you claim it to be.

 

If you state an absolute, you should at least prove it.  Something you have not done.

 

Me:

Ebola is infectious: check.

Ebola made it to the US from Liberia: check.

Restricting travel until such time that incubation period has passed could have prevented the cases in the US: check.

Preventing other countries from being infected from the US (or further infections coming in) can be lessened and possibly prevented: check.

 

You:

Restricting travel will increase an infection.  LOLWUT.

Now you're being ridiculous.

 

Who said anything about scientific history?  I didn't...

You shared your misinformed belief that experts used to think the world was flat.

 

I'm done responding to you, as you are unwilling to respond to reason.

[adrynalyne]

Now you're being ridiculous.

 

 

 

Good reply!  That totally shows evidence for your claim!

 

 

 

 

You shared your misinformed belief that experts used to think the world was flat.

 

 

Uh, misinformed?  My childhood text books disagree, but go ahead and disprove that one.  I was talking about ancient civilization.  Expert is a buzzword, it doesn't belong to the scientific community.  Besides, it was just an example to show you that someone labeled an expert doesn't mean they are right.  You sure latched onto it though, to deflect your ridiculous stance that makes no sense.

 

You don't control a disease by letting it freely spread across borders.  The idea that its not big enough yet to resort to such actions is not an intelligent response from any "expert".  When does it become big enough?  When its global? When their loved ones get infected?  I'm sure the "experts" were perfectly fine with bringing an infected patient to the US for treatment.  Lets hope nobody ends up dying from that decision.

 

 

 

 

I'm done responding to you, as you are unwilling to respond to reason.

 

 

Fair enough considering I've yet to read anything resembling reason from you.

[Gotenks98]

Belize's government didn't let the suspected infected off the Carnival boat. They did it to protect their nation from possible infection. There is nothing wrong with doing this. A dude with pointy ears once said the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. I think that's good advice that the US government should have followed.

[Hum]

There should be a 'E-bola island' -- where all cases are taken to and isolated until the patients are healed or they die.

 

Eventually, the disease may completely die off.

[spenser.d]

There should be a 'E-bola island' -- where all cases are taken to and isolated until the patients are healed or they die.

Eventually, the disease may completely die off.

Two African countries have been declared Ebola free, and the quarantine for those who came in contact with Duncan in the US ends today. At least two of the others who contracted the disease in the US are showing signs of recovery. No dumb island ideas needed.

[blerk]

There should be a 'E-bola island' -- where all cases are taken to and isolated until the patients are healed or they die.

 

Eventually, the disease may completely die off.

 

Quarantine essentially functions as this metaphorical island, and completely killing off the disease means eliminating its reservoir - which means the killing of many millions of bats and this is probably a little tricky to achieve. 

[Hum]

... completely killing off the disease means eliminating its reservoir - which means the killing of many millions of bats and this is probably a little tricky to achieve. 

I don't see why not -- other animals have been totally made extinct, like the passenger pigeon. ;)

[mudslag]

I don't see why not -- other animals have been totally made extinct, like the passenger pigeon. ;)

 

 

 

There is a huge difference with killing off an animal to extinction vs trying to purposely kill off an animal in an attempt to wipe out a disease that may or may not even be the root cause for that disease. All while ignoring that there are other animals that are also potential carriers. 

[neufuse Veteran]

NBC Cameraman declared ebola free and going home today

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/nbc-news-freelancer-ashoka-mukpo-declared-free-ebola-n231061

[compl3x]

There should be a 'E-bola island' -- where all cases are taken to and isolated until the patients are healed or they die.

 

Eventually, the disease may completely die off.

 

 

And a HIV island, too?

 

Nothing wrong with citing wikipedia, just as long as it's not the sole citation, which it wasn't.

 

Wiki is generally my first port of call when researching something. I check the sites sourced and search around for other articles from reliable sources, but Wiki makes it easy to get the ball rolling.

[neufuse Veteran]

Patient in New York City Tests Positive for Ebola

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/patient-in-new-york-city-tests-positive-for-ebola/ar-BBaOEJU?ocid=iehp

[siah1214]

Uh, misinformed?  My childhood text books disagree, but go ahead and disprove that one.  I was talking about ancient civilization.  Expert is a buzzword, it doesn't belong to the scientific community.  Besides, it was just an example to show you that someone labeled an expert doesn't mean they are right.  You sure latched onto it though, to deflect your ridiculous stance that makes no sense.

Wow this is asinine. 

 

Archimedes discovered the world was round in 330 BC. He was one of the first "experts", ever.  Your childhood textbooks were probably full of crap, a lot of them are. The sooner you accept that the better. 

[adrynalyne]

Whatever.

It doesn't really matter because it was a point I was making about so called experts.

You can google and find edu sites that show ancient Egyptians believing in a flat earth. Or are you naive enough to think ancient Greeks comprised the entire world?

While you are at it, maybe add to the thread's subject instead of bringing up a stupid argument that theyarecomingforyou started.

[123456789A]

Wow this is asinine. 

 

Archimedes discovered the world was round in 330 BC. He was one of the first "experts", ever.  Your childhood textbooks were probably full of crap, a lot of them are. The sooner you accept that the better. 

 

Why are we talking about the world being round in an ebola thread? Has the virus mutated and learned how to navigate ships across the Atlantic?

 

[siah1214]

Why are we talking about the world being round in an ebola thread? Has the virus mutated and learned how to navigate ships across the Atlantic?

 

Please tell me you made this it's beautiful. 

[123456789A]

Please tell me you made this it's beautiful. 

 

Just something I whipped up really fast!

[adrynalyne]

Why are we talking about the world being round in an ebola thread? Has the virus mutated and learned how to navigate ships across the Atlantic?

 

Because theyarecomingforyou started it, and siah1214 felt it prudent to continue it instead of sticking to the subject.

 

The original point was, experts are continuously proven wrong.

 

Point in case, we now have someone infected in New York.

[siah1214]

adrynalyne, on 23 Oct 2014 - 23:24, said:

Because theyarecomingforyou started it, and siah1214 felt it prudent to continue it instead of sticking to the subject.

 

The original point was, experts are continuously proven wrong.

 

Point in case, we now have someone infected in New York.

*case in point, think you mean.

 

The patient in NY just got back from Africa. No surprises there, any expert (or idiot) could have seen that coming.

[adrynalyne]

*case in point, think you mean.

 

The patient in NY just got back from Africa. No surprises there, any expert (or idiot) could have seen that coming.

Thank you for the correction.  My original point, had you actually read it instead of dwelling on garbage comments surrounding it, was that a travel ban/quarantine until past the incubation period for Ebola before returning into the US (or even between states and other countries) would help prevent that.

 

Surely you aren't going to say that would not have prevented this case from landing here stateside?