fusi0n Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I care about your selfish desire to have a slightly easier life, when millions of people are going to have an impossible life because of your failure to care. This is the problem, right here. Look who is judging who? Who the ###### said my life is easy? Who said that I never had a horrible hardship? I worked my ass off to get where I am today. Just because someone has a good paying job, doesn't mean they have or had it easy. Not without an education, most receptionist positions require at least an associates in business management, but you don't care about facts, you care about what you "know". And you are very wrong about this. Companies hire reception all the time with little or no work experience. I've hired three, and have helped friends get entry level jobs with no experience. Nogib 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohdekill Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 All is fine and dandy until the machine starts demanding 15 quarts of oil an hour instead of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Snipped Also, the real problem here is when the hard working people's taxes go up for people to have free cell phones and get their nails done. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It's also his problem when anything that affects his life such as the debts of others bring him down. Whether it is education loans, medical bills, or something else, he doesn't care for the people who are suffering, he only cares that his bills go up, but doesn't realize the problems are interconnected. You really have some ######ing nerve kid. First, I will love to let you know, that someone that didn't have insurance and a revoked drivers licenses ran into me going 70MPH. I am still paying on MY medical bills. I am STILL paying on my wife's student loans. Yes, I have paid off all my credit card debt.. Does that make be a bad person? No. I do care when people are suffering.. care to let me know when I said I didn't? I donate a good bit of money and help homeless people. I take food to them, and try to point them in the right direction. Don't sit there and judge me. You have no ######ing clue who I am. Nogib and E Pluribus Unum 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Pluribus Unum Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 And just how do they intend to "help support those who may lose work as a direct effect of restaurants adopting the robot." :rolleyes: Obama will take care of them. They don't even have to work. fusi0n and Nogib 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Obama will take care of them. They don't even have to work. Sadly, you are right. All is fine and dandy until the machine starts demanding 15 quarts of oil an hour instead of... lol, that is pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Obama will take care of them. They don't even have to work. yes....it's all part of 'Hope and Change' and Illegal Immigration Amnesty. :D fusi0n, E Pluribus Unum, psmoked and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 This is the problem, right here. Look who is judging who? Who the ###### said my life is easy? Who said that I never had a horrible hardship? I worked my ass off to get where I am today. Just because someone has a good paying job, doesn't mean they have or had it easy. And you are very wrong about this. Companies hire reception all the time with little or no work experience. I've hired three, and have helped friends get entry level jobs with no experience. Personal experience to prove your point again, I said "easier" as in it's "not your problem" that these people have it worse than you. Also, the real problem here is when the hard working people's taxes go up for people to have free cell phones and get their nails done. Fraud is less than 2 percent of people who need these services. Your assumption that most abuse the system is sickening, as it shows you have no real grasp of the situation. Even if we completely remove fraud from the equation, these systems of help are under funded from actually being able to help those that deserve it. You really have some ######ing nerve kid. First, I will love to let you know, that someone that didn't have insurance and a revoked drivers licenses ran into me going 70MPH. I am still paying on MY medical bills. I am STILL paying on my wife's student loans. Yes, I have paid off all my credit card debt.. Does that make be a bad person? No. I do care when people are suffering.. care to let me know when I said I didn't? I donate a good bit of money and help homeless people. I take food to them, and try to point them in the right direction. Don't sit there and judge me. You have no ######ing clue who I am. "Not my problem." It's not my perogative to get that information out of you, if you come off as a selfish ###### I will respond and treat you as such. I respect your ability to be self sustaining, but your missing that point that if we worked together half of your problems wouldn't exist and everyone would be better off because of it. Your desire to be able to confidently say "I did this all by my self, so I don't care about those who can't, because it's not my problem" is part of the issue. SecretAgentMan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Pluribus Unum Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 yes....it's all part of 'Hope and Change' and Illegal Immigration Amnesty. :D It's really simple to understand what they're doing. Have a flood of uneducated, illegal immigrants come over to the U.S., pamper them with welfare, give them amnesty - tada!! Now, you have millions of additional votes for the Socialist Party of America - I mean Democratic Party. People are easier to control when they aren't as educated and need government assistance for their livelihood. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: If you have a government big enough to give you everything you need, you have a government big enough to take away everything you have! Edit: It's amazing how something so fundamentally easy to understand could escape so many. The mainstream media has been a very effective tool in controlling the opinions of the people and keeping them divided against the real enemies of the state. Nogib, psmoked and jwjw1 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Obama will take care of them. They don't even have to work. yes....it's all part of 'Hope and Change' and Illegal Immigration Amnesty. :D It's really simple to understand what they're doing. Have a flood of uneducated, illegal immigrants come over to the U.S., pamper them with welfare, give them amnesty - tada!! Now, you have millions of additional votes for the Socialist Party of America - I mean Democratic Party. People are easier to control when they aren't as educated and need government assistance for their livelihood. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: If you have a government big enough to give you everything you need, you have a government big enough to take away everything you have! Edit: It's amazing how something so fundamentally easy to understand could escape so many. The mainstream media has been a very effective tool in controlling the opinions of the people and keeping them divided against the real enemies of the state. They will eventually be deported, it's not like they get a free ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/us/seeking-to-stop-migrants-from-risking-trip-us-speeds-the-path-to-deportation-for-families.html?_r=0 Quit complaining that the process is taking to long, our courts are literally being flooded with these cases, do you think the system in place are able to coupe with the increase of nearly 100%? Quit acting like it's some conspiracy and learn the actual facts. SecretAgentMan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakjak Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 They will eventually be deported, it's not like they get a free ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/us/seeking-to-stop-migrants-from-risking-trip-us-speeds-the-path-to-deportation-for-families.html?_r=0 Quit complaining that the process is taking to long, our courts are literally being flooded with these cases, do you think the system in place are able to coupe with the increase of nearly 100%? Quit acting like it's some conspiracy and learn the actual facts. They will eventually be deported, it's not like they get a free ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/us/seeking-to-stop-migrants-from-risking-trip-us-speeds-the-path-to-deportation-for-families.html?_r=0 Quit complaining that the process is taking to long, our courts are literally being flooded with these cases, do you think the system in place are able to coupe with the increase of nearly 100%? Quit acting like it's some conspiracy and learn the actual facts. A right winger... learning facts? Lets be real here. That'll never happen. SecretAgentMan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade1269 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'm hackin yo burger if it gets a virus. Hide yo robots and hid yo burgers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 thats cool and all but it will just make it harder for young people to find employment at all already bad enough these places want you to have open avalibility and work part time Thank the drive to ever higher minimum wages for that as the drive to automation is a direct result of it. The higher it goes, the more young unskilled workers there are living in mommies basement and not getting a job history. Hum and psmoked 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Thank the drive to ever higher minimum wages for that as the drive to automation is a direct result of it. The higher it goes, the more young unskilled workers there are living in mommies basement and not getting a job history. Other countries seem to be doing fine while still paying their employees living wages. In fact, they seem to be doing better. Don't forget that in the last 40 years, the minimum wage stagnated the most, and as a result, during those same 40 years, this country degraded the most. But don't let facts stop you from spouting emotional but illogical crap. Are people just supposed to keep working harder, and longer, for less money as time goes on? Theres no such a thing as kids work, if you work you get paid an adult rate for doing work, period. The difference is, some people realize that who does the work doesn't matter, someone has to do it. If we keep removing easily accessible work, and only leave the hard jobs, we are asking for a world of hurt. SecretAgentMan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 > Don't forget that in the last 40 years, the minimum wage stagnated the most, and as a result, during those same 40 years, this country degraded the most. But don't let facts stop you from spouting emotional but illogical crap. Correlation does not imply causation. Look it up. You're the manure salesman.There have been numerous studies done by economists on the left, right and center that show the negative impact of high minimum wages on unskilled and youth employment. I suggest you read a few. Lord Method Man, Hum, E Pluribus Unum and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 ^ This place is sure getting hostile lately. Thank goodness for Ignore. WAQT 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted August 12, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) I would pay extra to have my food prepared by a robot assembler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I would pay extra to have my food prepared by a robot assembler. Things may get to the point where I just make my own food at home and never go to restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxster17 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Automats are still quite popular in The Netherlands. Do you mean pre-prepared fast food in a wall of little windows with coin slot doors? Never could get myself to try Febo while living there - outside of getting their fries. At least those were always hot, while the other stuff just seemed like too much of a crapshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Red King Subscriber² Posted August 12, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted August 12, 2014 Things may get to the point where I just make my own food at home and never go to restaurants.This made me think 5th Element Chicken scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraSonic Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Correlation does not imply causation. Look it up. You're the manure salesman. There have been numerous studies done by economists on the left, right and center that show the negative impact of high minimum wages on unskilled and youth employment. I suggest you read a few. I know that, it wasn't meant to come off as that was directly related, there are obviously more things that effect the economy than just the minimum wage. There have been numerous studies done to show that growth happens also. http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023116005_wageimpactsxml.html http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/the-impact-of-a-minimum-wage-increase/ http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/business/mixed-results-in-us-study-of-increasing-minimum-wage.html?_r=0 etc. Things may get to the point where I just make my own food at home and never go to restaurants. It's what I've been trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 thats cool and all but it will just make it harder for young people to find employment at all already bad enough these places want you to have open avalibility and work part time They can be put to work assembling the robots. psmoked 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Anyone remember the old automat's? They didn't last long before, and they won't last now now, either. People want their food made by people, not a machine. I'm not sure about that. A robot is less likely to mess up your order, or spit in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendeth Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'm just going to assume that all these robots are going to be expensive to run and maintain and this will mean there will be absolutely no change in the cost for the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Minimum wage and youth unemployment, U. of Chicago model. US median hourly wage: $23.78 (2013) The $15 wage the SEIU wants for burger flippers would be 63% of that, well above the 20% level that has no negative effect on employment. Above 60% the effect on employment is "noticeable and large." http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/gorry_040808.pdf The effects of minimum wages are non-linear. As minimum wages rise, the employment declines among young workers become more dramatic. The solid line depicts The average employment rate in the model with no minimum wages.The figure shows that the model with minimum wages at 20% of the median wage has almost identical effects to the model without a minimum. As the level of the minimum wage rises to 40% and 60%, the effects become noticeable and large. Moreover, Figure 3 shows that the effects of a minimum wage are initially large and die out over time as the population becomes connected. Higher levels of the minimum wage show greater persistence in employment effects as it takes workers longer to find their initial jobs and become connected. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014292113001104 Minimum wages and youth unemployment - ScienceDirect > Abstract This paper constructs a labor search model to explore the effects of minimum wages on youth unemployment. To capture the gradual decline in unemployment for young workers as they age, the standard search model is extended so that workers gain experience when employed. Experienced workers have higher average productivity and lower job finding and separation rates that match wage and worker flow data. In this environment, minimum wages can have large effects on unemployment because they interact with a worker's ability to gain job experience. The increase in minimum wages between 2007 and 2009 can account for a 0.8 percentage point increase in the steady state unemployment rate and a 2.8 percentage point increase in unemployment for 15?24 year old workers in the model parameterized to simulate outcomes of high school educated workers. Minimum wages can also help explain the high rates of youth unemployment in France compared to the United States. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/timworstall/100018044/message-to-the-tuc-the-minimum-wage-causes-youth-unemployment/ Message to the TUC: the minimum wage causes youth unemployment There's a report out from the TUC today pointing to the appalling rise in long-term youth unemployment. I guarantee you we'll not see from them, or any point Leftwards of Ghengis Khan, the correct identification of the cause of this: the national minimum wage. The TUC say the following: The TUC findings ? published ahead of the latest unemployment figures due to be released by the Office for National Statistics tomorrow ? show that in the last 12 years, the number of 18 to 24-year-olds who are out of work has risen by 78 per cent, while unemployment across all age groups has increased by 42 per cent. The number of young people who have been unemployed for more than a year since 2000 has increased by an enormous 874 per cent (from 6,260 to 60,955), going up by 264 per cent in the last year alone. What could be the cause of this? Could it be the introduction of the national minimum wage on 1 April 1999? Yes, actually, it could be and almost certainly is. Even the Low Pay Commission, the people who set the NMW, think that this might be the cause: Firms may be reluctant to create jobs by recruiting inexperienced staff because they are put off by the increased wage bill, the Low Pay Commission has suggested. The background is really very simple. If you raise the price of something then people will buy less of it. Raise the price of labour and fewer people will be employed. This was all pointed out when the NMW was introduced but as has been said since, the promised wave of mass unemployment didn't happen. Why not? For the detailed numerical argument you can go here but simply put it depends upon what the minimum wage is. If it's less than 45 per cent or so of the average wage then the effects will be very small. Some tens of thousands of people perhaps and we'll not really notice that given that the economy as a whole creates and destroys two to three million jobs a year. However, once that wage starts to get over 50 per cent of the average wage, then we start to see the effects. As a percentage of youth wages, what is the youth minimum wage? Answer: for 18-21 year-olds, 65 per cent; for 16-18 year-olds, 76 per cent.So, in that 18-21 year group, we?ve a minimum wage which is 65% of the mean wage. Well into our territory where we expect to see substantial employment effects. For 16-18 year olds, the minimum wage it?s ?3.68??76%. Ooops! > Oops indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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