Why are so many posting 10 Beta "not for daily use"?

[Dot Matrix]

I agree that it's not meant for the "Average User" yet. The large majority of the userbase here at Neowin is Tech-Savvy, and things that can occur on Windows 10 TP that we are capable of dealing with in 10-30 seconds would likely be showstopper issues for the majority of other, less capable users out there. I have a friend who was very eager to try out the Technical Preview despite my warnings, so I installed it for him a week ago on bare metal .. and later today I'll be reinstalling his WIndows 8 image for him because it has "misbehaved frequently".

Unless your friend is a technical person, you really shouldn't have done that. :/

[the_scotsman]

I've got 10 running on my main laptop for everyday use. I don't need to wear any tinfoil hats. Microsoft don't care about my bank details, or if I torrent or view porn. They say this just like any other keyboard app on Android or iOS. They monitor what you type to learn and improve autocorrect etc...if you really think this "keylogger" is the same as what a hacker would use, you should not be using a computer. 

 

I installed it because I like playing with new stuff. I too was in the MS private betas. I did  Vista, Windows 7 and Office 2010. I always used the beta builds as my main OS. Some people like to do this. Some like to have 100% reliability (or as close to that as possible). For the average consumer, installing Windows 10 at this point would be a foolish move.

[DRFP]

i was just thinking this.... i mean, for a tester so long as the OP claim it is, I find troublesome that he's even making this question! Not only Microsoft discourages to use this OS in the main computer, but the fact that this OS expires, can result in data loss or unexpected errors possibly resulting in (again) data loss and lost time (because of restores from backups) only makes sense to use in a secondary computer, knowing the risks of using it

 

Unless you are a paid tester, then you should use this OS in every single device you have, even your Gameboy :)

 

LOL, I have all my data backed up! OMG what data loss? I have 3 external HD with Data!  As far as "main" I guess my way of using a computer everyday for photo editing, surfing, email, document creation and reading forums like this one, is not like a lot of other users?

 

I use FF and back up my browser links and extensions, I can fresh install an OS and be back in buisness with 0 data loss in about 2 hours.

 

I said I beta tested, yes as a hobby, my real profession ( look at my picture) is in health care and this is for fun.

 

Look I have nothing to prove just believe if your really going to test an OS you dont put it on a computer for 12 hours then take it off. There are all kinds of things to test that take way more time than 12 hours of use. You want to stress the OS and use it daily for like 2  to 4 weeks. People who do this I feel will have true knowldge of the OS, I beta tested win 7 from the moment of release to RTM and found some builds buggy and others not so much, but I used the computer everyday, backed up any new docs and other and wiped and reinstalled the new build. SO what? nothing lost.

 

Installing new and old programs, I have programs for instance that are over 10 years old and I have up to date software from a month ago running right now.

 

My question is why call yourelf a Beta, ALpha or preview tester if you install it on a crappy laptop from 2005 for 2 hours then tell us the horrors of the OS or put it on a state of the art touch screen laptop for 10 hours and brag how you have so much experience with it............ Sorry its not the same as hardcore use where the real bugs pop up.

 

I mean no offense but the testers I used to hang with with XP and 7 ( I stopped testing vista because of school at the time too much to do) did just what I'm doing now.  Mind you I said I have another laptop with 7 on it, My wife has 8.1 touch screen but I'm not putting it on hers untill a better build comes out. But its on my Pavillion dm4 with i5 6gb ram and its running well. I like it without touch screen and I hated win 8 and 8.1

[Aokromes]

Unless your friend is a technical person, you really shouldn't have done that. :/

If someone is unable to install windows without help, he is not the target of the TP.

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

so then you have absolute trust is microsoft monitor you?

 

bank/credit cards, porn.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest if they are monitoring what I do online, whether it is bankcards or porn or whatever. 

Its not like they are going to look through my browser history and laugh at how I was looking though the Snappening earlier today. Who hasnt? Who CARES?! Microsoft are only interested in how I use my machine, not what sites I visit. Thats the NSAs job, and if you believe Microsoft are going to such extremes then you sir, need a tinfoil hat.

Windows 10 is fine to use as a main OS. 

[starman444]

What about viewing torrent activity

[Eric Veteran]

What about viewing torrent activity

 

 

What about it? Microsoft doesn't care about your network traffic either unless it's crashing something and then they're only going to look at why it caused a crash.

[bandit_liberty_rumble]

 Windows 10 is fine to use as a main OS. 

 

As long as you accept that:

 

 

• The experimental and early prerelease software and services might not be fully tested.

• You might experience crashes, security vulnerabilities, data loss, or damage to your device.

• Your detailed usage and device data will automatically go to Microsoft and its partners 

[Praetor]

 

i was just thinking this.... i mean, for a tester so long as the OP claim it is, I find troublesome that he's even making this question! Not only Microsoft discourages to use this OS in the main computer, but the fact that this OS expires, can result in data loss or unexpected errors possibly resulting in (again) data loss and lost time (because of restores from backups) only makes sense to use in a secondary computer, knowing the risks of using it

 

Unless you are a paid tester, then you should use this OS in every single device you have, even your Gameboy :)

 

LOL, I have all my data backed up! OMG what data loss? I have 3 external HD with Data!  As far as "main" I guess my way of using a computer everyday for photo editing, surfing, email, document creation and reading forums like this one, is not like a lot of other users?

 

I use FF and back up my browser links and extensions, I can fresh install an OS and be back in buisness with 0 data loss in about 2 hours.

 

 

Then i'm glad for that you have backups and your are conscious that you are using a unfinished OS but you must realize that most people that are using this TP in their main machine are subject to the whims of using a unfinished OS, so they can expect faulty behaviour with serious woes (like, for example, data loss). It's a reality and unless people ARE really testing the OS (like using for 8h+, doing several different stuff on it and reporting every single bug / weirdness they found on it), i do not recommend using it on a main computer.

What about viewing torrent activity

 

if you are so concerned then please fire up Wireshark and check exactly what is being sended from your machine into Microsoft.

[umneycreep]

Yeah, really irritates me with people always posting... Make sure you are not installing this on your primary machine... blah blah blah... like the white knights of technology. What is the logic behind this... "Hey, you are right! thanks for telling me this, I was about to install it on the machine I actually use the most to test it... but you have single handedly changed my mind." I'm in the Neowin Microsoft beta forum, these are the things I know and accept... I LIKE to test new software, I LIKE taking chances. Also, I'm quite comfortable with the giant  evil Microsoft taking my data... if they somehow paid attention to my data among the billions of people in the world I would feel quite privileged. I've been testing betas for a long time... the worse problem I experienced was a Windows 7 beta that corrupted all my MP3s http://lifehacker.com/5131478/windows-7-beta-patch-fixes-mp3-bug

As far as "keylogger" [When you] enter text, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spellcheck features."

 Oh you mean like most phone keyboards?

So maybe my install will fail and I'll revert to back to my Windows 8.1 install (heavens no) or maybe along the way they will introduce a bug that will format c: /x or some other desperately terrible bug... but until then there are far greater chances for other risks such as lightning/power surges, failed hard drive or any other component, fire, or far more likely human error... on my "primary machine".

Please save your breath and understand the reason I'm here is not to see another post trying to save me from the evils of upgrading my primary machine.

In my humble opinion...  :)

[Blue-Vision]

Unless your friend is a technical person, you really shouldn't have done that. :/

 

As I said, "despite my warnings". :) If he was technical, he could have installed it himself without my intervention. AND made his own OS image beforehand. AND reinstalled said image when Windows 10 "misbehaved" (his words, not mine).

 

He was dead-set on trying it. I advised against that course of action. *sigh* Live and learn. It all worked out. Reinstalled his properly saved HD image, BCDEdit fixed his bootloader, voila. No harm, no foul, and I got out of the house for a while. :) Win-win.

[NEVER85]

 

 

This Alpha of 10 is better than 8 and 8.1 but the program is identified by sites and other programs as 8.1 so far.

 

This is absolutely not true. Not yet anyway. I installed the 10 TP and there's no way I would consider it better than 8.1 at this juncture.

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

Slightly off topic but has anyone noticed that the Tech Preview no where does it actually say "Windows 10" ?

Could it be that when this is released, it will just be 'Windows' and have all future updates in the OS not effect the name? Much like the much touted Windows 365?
Just made me think, feel free to shoot me down if im wrong thou :D

[BajiRav]

People forget Windows 7 beta and the MP3 bug.

[+therealDamien Subscriber¹]

People forget Windows 7 beta and the MP3 bug.

 

I didnt.

 

I still have mess up songs.

[freak180]

Don't be lazy. Re download them.

Also did people seriously forget we live in the time of the cloud? Basically all my important files are backed up on Dropbox

[DeadEndAccount]

Why are so many saying that windows 10 beta is not for daily use?

 

I have been a beta tester of MS products since IE 2 and win XP days.

 

I have always installed beta's and then used them daily. I have other computers like an older laptop with Win 7 but to truly beta test you need to use the OS daily!

 

I'm sending feedback to MS

 

If you do not do this then do not expect MS to change things we find need to change.

 

You need to use and use an OS and stress it to see what works and what needs to be fixed or changed.

 

This Alpha of 10 is better than 8 and 8.1 but the program is identified by sites and other programs as 8.1 so far.

 

It will get better with updates.

 

The thing is that you know what you're doing but there are far too many (check out the Microsoft online communities) who don't know what the heck they're doing and end up crying bloody murder when things go to hell in a hand basket which is why so many people keep saying it. Far too many products have been destroyed in testing phase because the people who don't know what they're doing get a hold off it, have a bad experience and then some idiot in the media go on about how that product isn't a good product even though it hasn't been released yet.

[w10]

Why are so many saying that windows 10 beta is not for daily use?

Here's one reason why I am not using it as my primary PC. The auto-keylogger is recording every keystroke you type and sending that information off to Microsoft. Now, this information could include things like online credit card purchases and banking transactions as well. With that said, I can only assume MS is collecting and storing that information "somewhere"... and that somewhere could be hacked by one of these advanced hacking squads that are trolling (and hacking) secure databases all over the internet; therefore, everyday use is a no-go for me at this point.

 

w10

[remixedcat]

10 has been ok for the most part for me. Not too many issues actually and I even got it working on an old dell inspiron laptop from the windows xp era:

<< so I don't have to reuplaod the pics again since I'm streaming a lot here.

 

 

It's stable in my VMs just one thing to avoid is not changing the live password while logged in and then loosing store access for some reason.

[vb4112]

Slightly off topic but has anyone noticed that the Tech Preview no where does it actually say "Windows 10" ?

Could it be that when this is released, it will just be 'Windows' and have all future updates in the OS not effect the name? Much like the much touted Windows 365?

Just made me think, feel free to shoot me down if im wrong thou :D

 

Are you talking about Windows 365? :D

[Studio384]

Slightly off topic but has anyone noticed that the Tech Preview no where does it actually say "Windows 10" ?

Could it be that when this is released, it will just be 'Windows' and have all future updates in the OS not effect the name? Much like the much touted Windows 365?

Just made me think, feel free to shoot me down if im wrong thou :D

Nha, it's just a Microsoft thing. Windows Developer Preview nowhere mentioned "Windows 8" either.

[sinetheo]

Ask any fried gtx 770 owner how that beta worked. Or read about the many many bugs in release xxx79??

No way in hell is this going on my machine outside a vm container. I need work done and don't want to blow my limited weekends reimaging my box because update no longer works.

XP users to this very day still use it for this reason. If ain't broke don't fix it! With VMware Workstation I can have both and don't feel like reinstalling. Beta ain't worth the risk when what I have already works.

[remixedcat]

10 is better than vists was for dang sure

[kalel83]

I usually agree with op but I had to go back to 8.1 Games were crashing almost every hour. Went to 9888 build and the crashes hard locked the computer. Most likely is the 270x from AMD as their drivers are less then competent but still. I was sad to learn that nothing big will change till next year when this was happening, so had to remove it. Thankfully themes have gotten nicer for when you mod uxstyle that I don't mind at all.

[DeadEndAccount]

I usually agree with op but I had to go back to 8.1 Games were crashing almost every hour. Went to 9888 build and the crashes hard locked the computer. Most likely is the 270x from AMD as their drivers are less then competent but still. I was sad to learn that nothing big will change till next year when this was happening, so had to remove it. Thankfully themes have gotten nicer for when you mod uxstyle that I don't mind at all.

 

From what I understand with Windows 10 they're going to be moving to WDDM 2.0 which probably means that until native drivers are released you'll find that things are less than reliable in 'backwards compatibility' mode that Windows provides.