dc Suicide Squad

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

6 hours ago, Zathras5 said:

Report: Suicide Squad Suffered From Studio Interference

It's time for DC to throw in the live action towel and stick to animation.

 

Even the news surrounding JL and how the Snyders are handling it already is telling they don't know wth they're doing.

[Innervisions33]

I fully anticipate, like BvS, that this won't be nearly as bad at some (most?) critics are claiming.  It probably won't be a great movie, but likely more than good enough to warrant the money I will spend to see it in the theater.  

 

With that said, if editing is the major issue here, as was with BvS, then WB needs to figure this out quickly, or the Directors need to step up and push back on them.  We're still a year away from the release of WW and I'd hate for the same thing to happen to that.

[George P Global Moderator]

If there was anything going on with WW we'd hear about it by now, they're deep into post-production and editing.  We got news of SS reshoots etc early on from what I remember, nothing from them on WW and I doubt they'll screw with it, this is twice now they've edited the heck out of movies, they should have gotten a clue by now.   It was too late for BvS and SS, and WB really needs to stop trying to please everyone they screentest movies to, just go with the directors cut and call it a day.

[Hurmoth]

Saw the film last night. (spoiler free, mostly)

 

The film is much better than expected, but I'm glad that I didn't have high expectations. I'd give it 3.5/5 stars. The ending fight scene leaves a lot to be desired for how it got wrapped up.

 

This Joke is absolutely horrible. I can't give it 4/5 simply because of this Joker. I much prefer Heath Ledger's Joker to this one.

 

The film definitely feels a lot better put together than BvS, the editing feels tighter and every scene just feels like it belongs.

 

All in all, I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected, which is good. So go in with low expectations (if you're not already a It can't do any wrong fanboy), and you'll probably enjoy it.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

From BBC Culture: Film Review: Is Suicide Squad really that bad?

 

Ouch. That's not going to stop me from watching it, though. I just hope I can stay awake unlike with BvS, which I think I must have tried watching 3 or 4 times and each time I fell asleep.

[George P Global Moderator]

I know in the past a few of you have posted Angry Joe reviews for games, and taken his word on things in that category.   Well, he does movie reviews as well, and I'll just drop this here.

 

 

Make of this what you will,  in the end all we can do is go and see it and judge it for our own though.

[trag3dy]

Just saw it myself and I would agree with a 3.5 out of 5. The pacing of the movie is strange to say the least and I was also kind of disappointed in how quickly it ended.

[Hurmoth]

10 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Just saw it myself and I would agree with a 3.5 out of 5. The pacing of the movie is strange to say the least and I was also kind of disappointed in how quickly it ended.

I didn't mind the pacing to be honest. It felt tighter than BvS. The ending was, odd though; felt rushed and almost like they didn't have any idea how to wrap it up.

 

But anyway, it was much more enjoyable than most of what these critics are writing. I'm even thinking of seeing it again and I rarely ever see a movie more than once in theatres.

[Boo Berry]

Meh, almost as bad as BvS, IMO. I don't have a good feeling about the other, future DC universe movies.

[trag3dy]

6 minutes ago, Hurmoth said:

I didn't mind the pacing to be honest. It felt tighter than BvS. The ending was, odd though; felt rushed and almost like they didn't have any idea how to wrap it up.

 

But anyway, it was much more enjoyable than most of what these critics are writing. I'm even thinking of seeing it again and I rarely ever see a movie more than once in theatres.

I don't mean the pacing exactly. It's just how it jumped from one scene to the next. It's like in one scene it's night and they're in jail then you blink and whoa now it's the middle of the day and they're all in a completely different place and then blink again and now they're flying in helicopters in totally different location again with no in between or explanation for what their purpose is.

 

It's not bad but it's kind of amateurish.

 

Something totally unrelated that I found kind of amusing though was the Doctor Strange trailer shown before the movie. 

[TAZMINATOR]

1 minute ago, Boo Berry said:

Meh, almost as bad as BvS, IMO. I don't have a good feeling about the other, future DC universe movies.

Depends on the cast and plot/storyline.  And depends on which filmmakers/directors..  

 

Some movies can be surprisely good.

 

[George P Global Moderator]

9 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

I don't mean the pacing exactly. It's just how it jumped from one scene to the next. It's like in one scene it's night and they're in jail then you blink and whoa now it's the middle of the day and they're all in a completely different place and then blink again and now they're flying in helicopters in totally different location again with no in between or explanation for what their purpose is.

 

It's not bad but it's kind of amateurish.

 

Something totally unrelated that I found kind of amusing though was the Doctor Strange trailer shown before the movie. 

Those are what they call jump cuts, when you see a good number of them, it means the editors cut something out to make the movie shorter, expect a longer directors cut for this just like with BvS which, IMO, had a better pacing to it with it's own directors cut compared to the theatrical release.   I doubt SS is missing a whole 30mins though, probably an extra 10 to 15 I'd guess?  I believe there's a number of Joker and Harley scenes left out, or at least one that I know of for sure.   I actually think the directors cut has more Joker in it.

[George P Global Moderator]

18 minutes ago, Hurmoth said:

But anyway, it was much more enjoyable than most of what these critics are writing. I'm even thinking of seeing it again and I rarely ever see a movie more than once in theatres.

The problem with it that the critics are latching on to, is lack of flushing out all the characters, and backstories, but they seem to not understand, or pick up on because they're probably not comic book fans like me or you, that characters like Croc, boomerang and a few others don't get flushed out because they're NOT main characters, even though they're part of the squad, they're supporting characters.  Supporting characters never get time to develop etc, I don't care what movie it is, they just don't. 

 

Really, if you look around, those who are deep into the comics and know the characters from the get go come out enjoying this movie way more than what the critics think, maybe if they balanced it out a bit more and took the non-comic book fan into account more, then things would've been better for the critics, but I guess they didn't have that in mind.

[Hurmoth]

4 hours ago, George P said:

The problem with it that the critics are latching on to, is lack of flushing out all the characters, and backstories, but they seem to not understand, or pick up on because they're probably not comic book fans like me or you, that characters like Croc, boomerang and a few others don't get flushed out because they're NOT main characters, even though they're part of the squad, they're supporting characters.  Supporting characters never get time to develop etc, I don't care what movie it is, they just don't. 

 

Really, if you look around, those who are deep into the comics and know the characters from the get go come out enjoying this movie way more than what the critics think, maybe if they balanced it out a bit more and took the non-comic book fan into account more, then things would've been better for the critics, but I guess they didn't have that in mind.

Agree with you completely. I'm actually not that big into comic books, but I think the critics miss the fact that these films (BvS and Suicide Squad) are made by fans of the source material and for the fans of the comic books. 

 

Even though I think BvS was just a mess of a movie (and I don't care for Zack Snyder's directing), even I can admit that he clearly loves the source material and made a movie for the fans. I think it fell apart because there was way too much material, but there's no denying his affinity for the these films.

 

The only real complaint in terms of characters is the Joker. I think a more serious Joker (ala Heath Ledger) with moments of insanity would have been a better play for Harley Quinn's total insanity. The Joker is suppose to be smart and able to outwit Batman, but this Joker just seems bonkers who gets lucky.

[trag3dy]

I don't mind him exactly but I don't really care for the pimp style they gave him. It doesn't say Joker to me.

 

Joker was all about causing chaos he does not care at all for money.

[trag3dy]

 

Good insight on why the movie turned out the way it did. Interesting watch.

Edited August 6, 2016 by trag3dy

[Raa]

I'm not a DC fan, so not having watched almost any of their movies... I was talked into watching this with some friends and must admit I didn't mind it at all!

I'd give it a 3.75/5 rating agreeing that the ending was a bit of a let down, but otherwise plenty of action, great characters and some good one liners. (Y)

[George P Global Moderator]

4 hours ago, Hurmoth said:

The only real complaint in terms of characters is the Joker. I think a more serious Joker (ala Heath Ledger) with moments of insanity would have been a better play for Harley Quinn's total insanity. The Joker is suppose to be smart and able to outwit Batman, but this Joker just seems bonkers who gets lucky.

I hear it's hard to say for sure, people wanted to see more of him so they could get a better idea but he's in it for such a short time.  God I hope Afflack uses him in his batman movie, I think Leto can do a more serious joker even with this style with the right script and enough time on screen.

[Syanide]

 

 

"Film critics showed up to see a film, not validate their obsession with a ######## action figure."

 

This is a perfect description of most comic book movies, actually. Even the best of Marvel movies are still largely mediocre compared to a standard of a good film. But comic book fanboys simply can't seem to grasp that idea.

[George P Global Moderator]

5 hours ago, Syanide said:

This is a perfect description of most comic book movies, actually. Even the best of Marvel movies are still largely mediocre compared to a standard of a good film. But comic book fanboys simply can't seem to grasp that idea.

That's hardly the case, specially when even comic book fanboys, as you put it, will rip on a movie if it doesn't do their favorite comic book justice, it's happened before and it'll happen again, hell, fans are more critical than critics, the only difference here is that critics nitpick the technical aspects that most, and yes, this is a fact, most movie going people, even non-fanboys, don't pick up on or just don't care about at all.

 

This isn't even limited to comic book fans, look at the fans of all the book/novel to movie adaptations out there, then look at the forum posts left and right from the fans complaining how it's not as good as the source and so on.  To say fans can't be critical about these movies and just take anything the studios give them is wrong IMO.  

[Syanide]

51 minutes ago, George P said:

That's hardly the case, specially when even comic book fanboys, as you put it, will rip on a movie if it doesn't do their favorite comic book justice, it's happened before and it'll happen again, hell, fans are more critical than critics, the only difference here is that critics nitpick the technical aspects that most, and yes, this is a fact, most movie going people, even non-fanboys, don't pick up on or just don't care about at all.

 

This isn't even limited to comic book fans, look at the fans of all the book/novel to movie adaptations out there, then look at the forum posts left and right from the fans complaining how it's not as good as the source and so on.  To say fans can't be critical about these movies and just take anything the studios give them is wrong IMO.  

 

That "true to source" mentality is pretty annoying as well, most recently (and most strongly) evidenced by Game of Thrones, where some people go way overboard to criticize the show on the 'faithfulness' factor, disregarding the fact that faithfulness on its own doesn't matter, at all. A story, be it movie or a TV show, should be judged on the merits of the medium it is portraying its story in. If a movie has poor characterization, poor plot, is edited and paced horribly, it could be the closest adaptation, that won't save it from being a bad movie. Staying true to the source material should just be seen as an added bonus, if the movie is good in the first place. They can change the character completely, I don't care about it, as long as the character makes sense within the storytelling medium. And I know I come off a bit hypocritical here, because I'd argue that Superman from Man of Steel doesn't have anything to do with the version of Superman we know from pop culture in general, but I think I, and lots of other people could let that slide, if the character and the movie were any good to begin with.

[Innervisions33]

Looks like I was right.  Much better than the critics claimed, just as was the case with BvS.  

 

Leto's Joker was ok.  Not great, but not bad.  #3 on my list of live action Jokers behind Heath and Jack.  Maybe the stuff that got cut would have changed that opinion, I don't know.  

 

And is it me, or did Suicide Squad do a better job of rebooting Ghostbusters than the Ghostbusters reboot did?  Walk into an area, possessed woman, some magical stuff flying into the air, a large menace, and someone surviving and having to be have gunk taken off of them.  

[George P Global Moderator]

19 hours ago, Innervisions33 said:

Leto's Joker was ok.  Not great, but not bad.  #3 on my list of live action Jokers behind Heath and Jack.  Maybe the stuff that got cut would have changed that opinion, I don't know.  

I hear the stuff that was cut was pretty crazy/extreme and at the end it's flashbacks that don't help move the main story along, it's good for the Joker and Harley stuff, development wise, but yeah.  I also think it probably effected the movies rating.  Expect yet another directors/extended R rated cut with all or most of those scenes in there.

[George P Global Moderator]

Well, after this Friday, looks like Suicide Squad just went into the green,  $384 million world wide, $194 million in the US, will easily break $200m with Saturday and Sunday.

[Hurmoth]

On 8/12/2016 at 5:09 AM, George P said:

I hear the stuff that was cut was pretty crazy/extreme and at the end it's flashbacks that don't help move the main story along, it's good for the Joker and Harley stuff, development wise, but yeah.  I also think it probably effected the movies rating.  Expect yet another directors/extended R rated cut with all or most of those scenes in there.

From what I've read, there were multiple cuts of the film done and sort of baked together during editing, which is why Joker feels so out of place in this film and I don't think that's a good thing. While I enjoyed the film, I definitely see a lot of editing issues and a director's/extended cut may only make matters worse. The biggest problem I see with the DCEU (starting with BvS) is they's shoving way too many major characters into one film without a cohesive story.

 

BvS was just a complete mess. I don't think there's a good story in that film at all. Sorry, but I absolutely hate that film. And for me, it only proves how much of a joke Zack Snyder is (Dawn of the Dead was the only film I thoroughly enjoyed from him, everything else just went down, down, down hill from there).

 

I think the Joker/Harley Quinn story should have been its own film. That film should be based on Mad Love (not New 52) and truly explain who Quinn is and be more of a psychological thriller in the same vein of Gone Girl (in fact, let David Fincher even helm the film).