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Ahem...

 

 

 

Tory Bruno = CEO of United Launch Alliance (ULA), a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed Martin.  Their upcoming Vulcan-Centaur launcher will use Blue's BE-4 engine in the first stage, IF it ever ships. 

 

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I don't like to make assumptions but if they aren't flight engines, what are they? Just Engines to be put on a test stand and then scrapped?

BO have a very different development program to SpaceX though right? SpaceX is all about throwing almost ready stuff up in the air and learning rather than the more traditional approach from BO who will test and improve over and over before these things ever go near an actual rocket?

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On 27/07/2021 at 04:36, Skiver said:

I don't like to make assumptions but if they aren't flight engines, what are they? Just Engines to be put on a test stand and then scrapped?

BO have a very different development program to SpaceX though right? SpaceX is all about throwing almost ready stuff up in the air and learning rather than the more traditional approach from BO who will test and improve over and over before these things ever go near an actual rocket?

SpaceX is definitely willing to test-break-fix-test again, but helping this is that their computational fluid dynamics (CFD) systems are world-class. Back in 2015 they gave a presentation at an NVIDIA conference that was impressive.  Imagine today...

 

 

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Maybe they should just get New Glenn flying first?

 

1) JARVIS, a reusable stainless steel upper stage/payload module for New Glenn.

 

2) Bezos has hired a big-time lawyer to essentially gut the Outer Space Treaty's ban on claiming ownership of bodies in space.

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/blue-origin-is-developing-reusable-second-stage-other-advanced-projects/?comments=1

 

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From what I read in the article it looks like Jeff has acknowledged that the current environment is not conducive to speed or innovation. So he separated this new team so they can do some good work.

 

"Sources said Bezos has walled off parts of the second-stage development program from the rest of Blue Origin and told its leaders to innovate in an environment unfettered by rigorous management and paperwork processes."

 

That is a good sign for BO that he has acknowledged that, but bad that he has not done it for the whole business. Im guessing this is a test, if it plays out well he may roll it out to many other parts of the business.

 

Hopefully he hasnt reduced staff on the current deployment so it is not delayed further and they can start flying. Also it would be good if they had a similar team for the BE-4, it needs to be finished yesterday.

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So, after the US General Accounting Office denied Blue Origin and Dynetics appeals of SpaceX winning the HLS lunar lander contract, Jeff Bezos has gone fully off his cracker and sued NASA

 

https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-sues-nasa-over-human-landing-system-contract/

 

The criticism, in and out of the industry, has been withering (read the Space News comments 😵 )

 

Now some of Blue's line and lead engineers for the HLS program are jumping overboard. Some left earlier. 

 

Nitin Arora was Blue:s Mission Architecture and Integration Lead, Human Landing System. He bailed last Friday, hiring in at SpaceX. LinkedIn...

 

Former SpaceXer Lauren Lyons (from the Falcon Heavy maiden flight, Demo 1, Demo 2 streams) moved to Blue Origin as Lead of Requirements, Verification, Validation, and Certification for Artemis Human Landing System National Team, and Lead Systems Engineer in their Advanced Development Programs division. She left for Firefly Aerospace in June.

 

There are a lot of Blue Origin people criticizing Bezos' actions,  and rumors their National Team partners aren't happy either.

 

 

 

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On a more constructive front,

 

Blue Origin is building their own reusable stainless steel upper stage - Jarvis. The project is being handled by a 'tiger team' for rapid R&D.

 

 

On the BE-4 front...ULA's Tory Bruno wants his engines.

 

 

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I see a bunch of people saying that the second stage will land vertically like Starship, but the second stage of New Glenn will have vacuum engines, they wont work well at sea level. 

 

I dont think it will be big enough for 2 x BE-3U and a couple of BE-4s, also they run different propellant.

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On 24/08/2021 at 20:36, IsItPluggedIn said:

I see a bunch of people saying that the second stage will land vertically like Starship, but the second stage of New Glenn will have vacuum engines, they wont work well at sea level. 

 

I dont think it will be big enough for 2 x BE-3U and a couple of BE-4s, also they run different propellant.

More likely they'd mount 1-3 BE-3 (New Shepard engine) for landings.  About 490 kN (110,000 lb-f) each. 

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