[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

[Dot Matrix]

I want my start screen back!

(On my tablet, as it was in Windows 8.1).

 

I loved:

- The charms bar swipe from left, and the full screen start screen.

- The swipe down to close an app

- Metro Internet Explorer (swipe to go back)

- Auto full screen Metro apps

 

On a tablet, 8.1 was approaching total ease of use. Sad that they chose to abandon this paradigm.

 

But I guess the majority vote counts. I doubt these abilities will be back.

 

Build 9926 is unusable on a tablet (and mine has an 11.6 inch screen)

 

We'll see what happens in future builds, I guess, but it seems as though Microsoft is overcompensating for desktop users.

 

FYI, Windows 10 has a tablet mode that brings these back:

 

Full screen Start

Swipe down to close (now includes legacy x86 applications)

Auto full screen apps

 

Metro IE is removed, and will be replaced with the new Spartan browser in the next couple of builds. You can activate tablet mode by clicking the button on the Action Center.

[TAZMINATOR]

You all are driving MS crazy because:

 

On Windows 7 > Windows 8.. you complain about Start Screen and wanting Start Menu back.

 

Windows 8 > Windows 10 you complain about Start Menu and wanting Start Screen back..

 

 

Windows 10 has 2 modes; compact menu and Full Start screen.

 

Full screen is available via 4 arrows icon on the start menu (upper right corner).

 

Or use tablet mode... that works as well.

[Ice_Blue]

FYI, Windows 10 has a tablet mode that brings these back:

 

Full screen Start

Swipe down to close (now includes legacy x86 applications)

Auto full screen apps

 

Metro IE is removed, and will be replaced with the new Spartan browser in the next couple of builds. You can activate tablet mode by clicking the button on the Action Center.

 

No it doesn't.

 

Swipe from the right brings up the notifications.

Swipe from the left brings up the task switcher.

 

That "tablet mode" does nothing except expand the start menu to full screen.

[Ian W]

I want my start screen back!

(On my tablet, as it was in Windows 8.1).

 

I loved:

- The charms bar swipe from left, and the full screen start screen.

- The swipe down to close an app

- Metro Internet Explorer (swipe to go back)

- Auto full screen Metro apps

 

On a tablet, 8.1 was approaching total ease of use. Sad that they chose to abandon this paradigm.

 

But I guess the majority vote counts. I doubt these abilities will be back.

 

Build 9926 is unusable on a tablet (and mine has an 11.6 inch screen)

 

We'll see what happens in future builds, I guess, but it seems as though Microsoft is overcompensating for desktop users.

I am very disappointed that the option to use the Start screen is absent from build 9926. That was the feature that I loved in the previous builds - with it, both parties could use what they wanted.

I have already left feedback and hope other Windows Insiders do the same. The decision reminds me of other situations where Microsoft reversed course due to complaints.

[nosense]

 People should do some research before installing a piece of software that is still work in progress.

[Dot Matrix]

That "tablet mode" does nothing except expand the start menu to full screen.

It does more than that.

[HawkMan]

I am very disappointed that the option to use the Start screen is absent from build 9926. That was the feature that I loved in the previous builds - with it, both parties could use what they wanted.

I have already left feedback and hope other Windows Insiders do the same. The decision reminds me of other situations where Microsoft reversed course due to complaints.

 

How many times has it been said in this thread that this build has a a new from the ground up Start menu/screen coded in XAML that doesn't have all the features finished yet ? 

I was going to install this on my Miix2 11 tonight though, but with the broken html video on youtube and other sites and apparently no swipe to go back gesture in the current IE I think I'll wait for the CP with spartan which hopefully brings back the back gesture. 

[Ian W]

How many times has it been said in this thread that this build has a a new from the ground up Start menu/screen coded in XAML that doesn't have all the features finished yet ? 

I haven't counted.

All I am saying is that the current build suggests that Microsoft will phase out the screen for a, well, full screen menu. "Time" will tell.

[Pulagatha]

Does anyone know how to get the OneNote updated version to work on Build 9926? I have the old version and there doesn't seem to be any way of getting the new version? Someone suggested looking at the new Store Beta, but there isn't any option in there that lets you update the app.

[Dot Matrix]

Does anyone know how to get the OneNote updated version to work on Build 9926? I have the old version and there doesn't seem to be any way of getting the new version? Someone suggested looking at the new Store Beta, but there isn't any option in there that lets you update the app.

Should be installed by default.

[+Red King Subscriber²]

Gave this thing 3.35Ghz and 16 GB RAM in VM. Still feels slow.

And, yep, they removed the ability to see what files you have in OneDrive and, for that matter, the one drive modern app AFAIK.

[SekaiStory]

I know I shouldn't nag about this but those new icons.... *bashes head into wall* 

 

That "This PC" icon... wat... 230 wat. Hope they refine and update all icons in the File Explorer. 

[Dot Matrix]

TBH, I was hoping the icon set would match that of Office 2013.

[Pulagatha]

Should be installed by default.

 

 

It wasn't. I updated through 9879. So I wonder if that's the difference as opposed to downloading the ISO?

[devHead]

I found a way to restore the Start Menu from the previous build (which restores Jump lists for pinned apps, and allows you to resize the Start Menu)

1. Start Regedit.exe
2. Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Software>Microsoft>Windows>CurrentVersion>Explorer>Advance
3. Create a new DWORD (32-bit) value, call it "EnableXamlStartMenu" Keep its Value at 0
4. Restart Explorer

[Dot Matrix]

 

I found a way to restore the Start Menu from the previous build (which restores Jump lists for pinned apps, and allows you to resize the Start Menu)

1. Start Regedit.exe
2. Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Software>Microsoft>Windows>CurrentVersion>Explorer>Advance
3. Create a new DWORD (32-bit) value, call it "EnableXamlStartMenu" Keep its Value at 0
4. Restart Explorer

 

The purpose of this would be...?

[devHead]

To restore the functionality of the Start Menu from build 9679.  The new Start Menu is a little messed up, frankly; the Search and bottom of the menu is down below the taskbar, you don't have jumplists for any apps that you pin to the start menu, you can't drag and drop anything from the Apps area to the pinned area on the right.  That's the purpose.  If you don't want to do it, just don't.  There's no need to try to sound smarmy about it.

[HawkMan]

To restore the functionality of the Start Menu from build 9679.  The new Start Menu is a little messed up, frankly; the Search and bottom of the menu is down below the taskbar, you don't have jumplists for any apps that you pin to the start menu, you can't drag and drop anything from the Apps area to the pinned area on the right.  That's the purpose.  If you don't want to do it, just don't.  There's no need to try to sound smarmy about it.

 

You're testing a beta, if you're not going to help test, well then don't...

[Dot Matrix]

To restore the functionality of the Start Menu from build 9679.  The new Start Menu is a little messed up, frankly; the Search and bottom of the menu is down below the taskbar, you don't have jumplists for any apps that you pin to the start menu, you can't drag and drop anything from the Apps area to the pinned area on the right.  That's the purpose.  If you don't want to do it, just don't.  There's no need to try to sound smarmy about it.

This is the nature of beta testing. Microsoft is working really hard to provide one hell of an OS to users. Restoring old functionality, when newer functionality is forthcoming isn't going to help them with that. Patience, Microsoft has already confirmed that jumplists, and other functionality will be coming back.

[Studio384]

Does anyone know how to get the OneNote updated version to work on Build 9926? I have the old version and there doesn't seem to be any way of getting the new version? Someone suggested looking at the new Store Beta, but there isn't any option in there that lets you update the app.

KB3034229 enables the updated OneNote app. You can get it only through Windows Update.

[Guest]

No it doesn't.

 

Swipe from the right brings up the notifications.

Swipe from the left brings up the task switcher.

 

That "tablet mode" does nothing except expand the start menu to full screen.

 

It also defaults WinRT apps to fullscreen.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Quick thoughts from using the TP for a bit inside a VM:

 

- Immediate complaint number 1: they ditched the well-integrated OneDrive code in 8.1 in favour of the standalone client used in 8.0, Windows 7(/Vista?), etc. I very much liked the ability in 8.1 to have my entire OneDrive folder accessible from all apps without the files being present (so a 30 GB folder translates to <100 MB worth of metadata or so). Hopefully they'll bring it back in future builds else it's a step backwards. How it was in 8.1 update 1 was almost perfect (whereas pre-update 1, you couldn't select your OneDrive folder for inclusion in File History)

- I get they want to bring back KB+M users to the fold but something feels... off... about the taskbar being the primary switcher in both tablet and KB+M modes. I can't test whether they've preserved the left edge swipe gesture, lacking a Windows tablet. (edit: guess left edge swipe is still there.. does it bring up Task View in that case?)

- For the new Start Menu, if they're going back to the thin vertical list of apps (which for KB+M users is much better for navigation versus spilling all possible icons in 8.x), it could do with slightly more width. Or maybe they can bring back the full tiled view in tablet mode.

- Caption buttons for Win32 apps look off but understandable given WIP - on Metro apps it's fine. I do like the default title font going back to 9 points. 

[George P Global Moderator]

We all new the charms menu was on the way out, even for tablets (phone never had it). There's still more things to come, they've said as much. The expanded menu option you get now is something users wanted, so they added it. That doesn't mean it won't change more, just keep giving feedback or voting on things others posted.

 

The "tablet mode" we get now is meant for hybrids , 2-in-1 devices, that means it's a UI that will be more of a halfway point between desktop and pure tablet. Let's see what changes the next build brings, I expect more changes to live tiles and other things.

[George P Global Moderator]

The OneDrive placeholder feature will come back in a later update. The team said this in a blog post, they took it out for now because the sync engine in 8.1 was different from all the other versions. They're going to be using the same engine going forward on everything, which helps in the end. Don't worry, placeholder option is coming back.

[Denis W. Veteran]

The OneDrive placeholder feature will come back in a later update. The team said this in a blog post, they took it out for now because the sync engine in 8.1 was different from all the other versions. They're going to be using the same engine going forward on everything, which helps in the end. Don't worry, placeholder option is coming back.

 

Awesome, glad to hear that. I imagine now that they're unifying the codebase across desktop, tablet, and mobile, it's easier to keep code the same and perhaps on phones, force the entire OneDrive folder to remain placeholders by default given limited storage.