[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

[Quillz]

9926

 

New Clock Experience

Very nice. Does the clock obey your regional settings, though? I don't really need the seconds displayed, and I prefer 24-hour time.

[chrisj1968]

Win+L still works. Otherwise, file a bug report/complaint via the Feedback app, and it will probably be addressed. It's likely just an oversight since older Windows releases generally had a Lock/Logout option within the power settings.

 

Gotcha. I used the feedback report app for insider app. thanks a million

[Unknown_97784568745]

I found an issue. under the shutdown section of the start menu, there is NO "lock" selection available for locking my laptop when I leave it.

 

they need to add this unless someone knows a work around

Click on your account name.

[chrisj1968]

Click on your account name.

 

ok, I got both click my account name and Win+L. millions of thanks guys

[Nogib]

Yeah I read something about it using recovery partition itself as windows folder. It is still taking 13 GB on C: and ~5GB on recovery. That is hardly any saving, isn't that pretty much normal install size?

 

 

Edit: Does this mean there is no easy way to update all these cheap Windows tablets when 10 RTMs?

 

Actually it is saving space.  The size of the Windows directory is misreported because of all the virtual links to the files within the compressed image on the recovery.  So it reports bigger than it actually is.

 

But yes, hopefully Microsoft finds a way to update systems using this WIMboot feature they added.  Of course even if they don't, you know the internet will find a way. 

[vcfan]

Yeah I read something about it using recovery partition itself as windows folder. It is still taking 13 GB on C: and ~5GB on recovery. That is hardly any saving, isn't that pretty much normal install size?

 

 

Edit: Does this mean there is no easy way to update all these cheap Windows tablets when 10 RTMs?

 

its probably filled with alot of hp stuff,office,etc... so its bloated. im sure thats not just a virgin windows installation. i had a toshiba tablet, and made my own lean win 8.1 wimboot image, didnt even take 3gb, then I kept a recovery image on a usb drive for backup.

 

about windows 10 RTM updates, OEMs will probably release Windows 10 wim images that you can deploy to your tablet. 

[PotatoAlchemist]

Not sure why, but after booting up my Windows 10 today, the Search box triggered by the XAML-based Start is showing up in the right place pretty much at the right time. In some cases there's a second delay, but most of the time it just appears instantly.

Before then, it used to appear a bit above the taskbar, either it would stay there or it would move down to the taskbar after a slight delay.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

After installing the upgrades from today? I'll try, but I think this build in of itself just has really awful performance, seeing that the previous two released builds ran flawlessly for me on VMware, not just in terms of performance, but also with VMware Tools, which don't seem to work at all on 9926. Since they did a lot of code rewriting and what not in this build, maybe that explains the poor performance.

Strange - I'm running Windows 10 in the latest version of VMware Fusion. The VMware tools installed perfectly fine, performance is as good as you'd expect from a VM.

[BajiRav]

its probably filled with alot of hp stuff,office,etc... so its bloated. im sure thats not just a virgin windows installation. i had a toshiba tablet, and made my own lean win 8.1 wimboot image, didnt even take 3gb, then I kept a recovery image on a usb drive for backup.

 

about windows 10 RTM updates, OEMs will probably release Windows 10 wim images that you can deploy to your tablet.

I was reading about how-to for that earlier today on TechNet. Would you mind listing steps involved?

[Mando]

A wired xbox 360 headset does not function correctly with the builds drivers (full joypad support), nothing can open it as a capture device, work around is easy though, download and install the W7/8.1 x64 wired controler application from Ms.

 

works after install/reboot.

[sjaak327]

FYI, Windows 10 has a tablet mode that brings these back:

 

Full screen Start

Swipe down to close (now includes legacy x86 applications)

Auto full screen apps

 

Metro IE is removed, and will be replaced with the new Spartan browser in the next couple of builds. You can activate tablet mode by clicking the button on the Action Center.

No tablet mode doesn't really bring these back. The new start screen is an absolute disaster. Instead of switching between the start screen from 8.1 in tablet mode and the resizable start menu form previous preview builds when not in tablet mode, they have decided to re-create the whole experience.

 

 

All the tablet mode  does is make that new start menu "full screen" and anyone can see it is nothing like the start screen anymore than it is anything like pre Windows 8 start menu. Gone is horizontal scrolling, gone is inline search (it is now using the search box on the taskbar)  gone is a full screen sortable all app screen that actually showed you all apps, including apps that you own and could be installed with a single click.

 

All of this replaced by a vertical scrolling experience and an absolutely useless and unusable tiny left column which also double as an all app list where searching or sorting are absent.

 

Full screen isn't really full screen when in tablet mode either, the taskbar is always visible. Auto-hiding it makes search unavailable by the way. They added a full screen button (the arrow button, the mail app has one for instance) which seems to indicate this taskbar always visible being a design decision. Of course utilizing the button works as long as you don't switch away from the application being full screen, as the minute you do, it reverts back to maximized.

 

Microsoft is throwing out all that was good on Windows 8 for tablets and replacing it with inferior options. A great example is the Spartan browser, controls visible as opposed to hidden and at the top as opposed to the bottom. What the hell was wrong with the two browser approach, were one was tailored to desktop and the other tailored to touch, now we continue with IE and Spartan which is nothing like modern IE, which leaves touch based users with a inferior experience.

 

Whatever happened to the Metro approach where content was the focus, now we are back to visible controls and inefficient use of real estate on tablets. Which idiot at Microsoft thinks it is a good idea to have the taskbar visible at all times, even when the user specifically selected tablet mode ? Maybe because they also ripped out the task switcher from Windows 8 ?

 

Why was the charms bar removed, it might not have made much sense on the desktop, it did on metro.

 

The very first build of Windows 10 back in September compared to the very latest clearly shows how for touch users it is getting worse instead of better.

 

I have defended Microsoft in almost all aspects of Windows 8, for me it was a joy to use on both the desktop using mouse and keyboard and on a tablet using touch only. Windows 10 has made it marginally better or the same on desktop and far far worse on tablets.

 

Windows 10 in this form might land on my desktop, it will stay away from my tablet. And reading between the lines and actually seeing the direction they seem to be going, it is not getting much better, the opposite really.

[Ice_Blue]

Thank you Sjaak327. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[+Fahim S. MVC]

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It's a little early to say that Microsoft has dropped the ball and that Windows 10 is going to suck for tablets.

Although the focus has been on the desktop (and touch enabled desktops/laptops) so far, doesn't mean that there aren't any plans to make it very tablet friendly.

 

Or in other words, patience grasshopper!

[l_p_4_7]

Has anyone else noticed that the PIN for sign in option doesn't work? I have created a PIN but once on the log-in screen there is no way to use anything but my password.

[Sszecret Veteran]

Has anyone else noticed that the PIN for sign in option doesn't work? I have created a PIN but once on the log-in screen there is no way to use anything but my password.

 

I guess it depends whether you did a clean install or an upgrade. 

 

I did an upgrade and I can still log in via PIN, but it also migrated all my apps, so I don't have the new One Note for example. 

[sjaak327]

It's a little early to say that Microsoft has dropped the ball and that Windows 10 is going to suck for tablets.

Although the focus has been on the desktop (and touch enabled desktops/laptops) so far, doesn't mean that there aren't any plans to make it very tablet friendly.

 

Or in other words, patience grasshopper!

 

I know, the trouble is the direction they are going in worries me greatly. From the September preview until the latest one, I only see regressions not progress when touch is concerned.

 

I installed one of the earlier builds via VHDX on my tablet, and saw they ripped out many things from Windows 8.1 that made perfect sense on tablets. At the time, I decided to be patient and wait for continuum (or tablet mode), but the sad fact is, even with continuum the regression is quite clear, that very first preview is actually more usable on a tablet as build 9926.

 

And comparing those builds and the latest build in particular shows Microsoft changed direction (evident as they created a new start experienced, which supposedly is written in xaml, which probably means it is a WinRT app) and that direction is what worries me. I fail to see how that direction is going to lead to an end result that is desirable for touch based users.

 

Maybe to explain it better, I am not saying Microsoft dropped the ball, I am saying that Microsoft is in the process of dropping the ball.

[Pootis Spencer]

Has anyone else noticed that the PIN for sign in option doesn't work? I have created a PIN but once on the log-in screen there is no way to use anything but my password.

 

Yes I had that too. Clean install. You can set a PIN but it wont give you the option to enter it, only a password.

Is it just me or did anyone else have trouble with WiFi? My refuses to remember to connect every reboot. It also drops out numerous times. You go to reconnect but it shows no wireless networks at all!

I have to revert back to 8.1 because of this,

[HawkMan]

9926

 

New Clock Experience

 

to bad all OS' are made by americans and never have an option to show week numbers.

[PotatoAlchemist]

Has anyone tried turning Windows 10 JTP into a Windows To Go type? The earlier tech previews didn't work, it rebooted during the boot screen.

[hagjohn]

A few things. I did a clean install of 9926. Overall, there have been improvements but I'm not a big fan of the look (of the OS) so far. Yes, I know it's an early release but as we know, Microsoft strong suit isn't consistency of look and feel. 

 

Windows 8 was a huge departure from Windows 7, which everyone knows about. I liked 8's starkness, it's simplicity, which a lot of people have complained about. The look of 8 (physically) was relaxing to the eyes but 9926 of 10 has gone too far back to Windows 7. I preferred the start screen to the new start menu, which is a hot mess. Combining the start menu with the start screen makes it look too busy. The new icons are just hideous (burn them with fire). I hope to god they are placeholders. Not all the apps have the same look and feel, which I know they are working on.

 

Not everything is wrong. They've done a reasonably good job with modern's settings. It is great to see Cortana (I have a windows phone) on the desktop. The beta store app is much better, even if it doesn't even work right. Many of the new apps that are on their way look to be real good as well. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.

[+Elі Subscriber²]

I found an issue. under the shutdown section of the start menu, there is NO "lock" selection available for locking my laptop when I leave it.

 

they need to add this unless someone knows a work around

 

You can always create a shortcut on your taskbar or something that goes like: 

 

Target:  C:\Windows\System32\rundll32.exe user32.dll,LockWorkStation

 

Start in: C:\WINDOWS\system32

 

But yeah, bug report is a good idea.

 

PS: Never mind, like others said, it has been moved to Start/Account Picture/Lock but if you want a One click work around my suggestion still works :-)

[Mugwump00]

My clean 9926 install, a domain member, refuses to show Windows Servers in the Network list - anyone else?

 

Storage Sense hangs - how should I dispose of Windows.old properly - ?

[Sszecret Veteran]

My clean 9926 install, a domain member, refuses to show Windows Servers in the Network list - anyone else?

 

Storage Sense hangs - how should I dispose of Windows.old properly - ?

 

Doesn't it work via Disk Cleanup ? 

[vcfan]

I was reading about how-to for that earlier today on TechNet. Would you mind listing steps involved?

heres the guide i used to do my toshiba tablet. i had the 16gb version,and when i was done, i had a little over 12GB free space.

http://forums.toshiba.com/t5/Encore-Tablets/Windows-8-1-WimBoot/td-p/574620

note, you have to do some additional things to get your hp drivers into the image.

in the guide, when you get to the part where you download the additional drivers zip file for the toshiba, extract it into a folder. look at the directory structure.

each folder for each type of driver. audio, camera,etc.. you now need to replace the contents of these folders with the drivers for your tablet. add additional folders for additional driver types. the files you need are the .sys .inf and .cat files. to get these go to the hp support site, and download all the drivers. each driver will have an exe file. you can extract the contents of the installer with winrar. you'll get a folder, and inside of it there will be some other folder,with one folder containing the driver. you'll be looking for the folder with the .sys .inf and .cat files. so now take those files,and put them in the folder called Audio if these were audio drivers for example.

now that you have your drivers in the correct folders, you'll need to modify the driverin.bat file in the root of that driver folder. you need to make sure to have the correct directories for your hp driver files

for example, this is no longer right because its the toshiba driver

 

Dism /Add-Driver /Image:"C:\WinPE_x86\mount" /Driver:"c:\x86\Camera\camera.inf"

Dism /Add-Driver /Image:"C:\WinPE_x86\mount" /Driver:"c:\x86\Camera\imx175.inf"

so you will modify it with the names and directory of the hp drivers you downloaded earlier, like so

 

Dism /Add-Driver /Image:"C:\WinPE_x86\mount" /Driver:"c:\x86\Camera\hpcamera.inf"

Dism /Add-Driver /Image:"C:\WinPE_x86\mount" /Driver:"c:\x86\Camera\somehpcam.inf"

 

add additional entries for additional drivers.

 

the rest of the guide should apply to your tablet. if you need help with a step let me know. i would make a usb recovery image before beginning just in case something goes wrong. once you get an image up and running, you can then play around and add additional software you would like, or maybe even attempt a windows 10 image.

[Dot Matrix]

9926

 

New Clock Experience

Cool. What's the reg hack to activate that?