[OFFICIAL] Windows 10 Insider Program

[Jim K Global Moderator]

That's the problem ...

I cannot afford a new GPU to get its full benefits and I'm supposed to critic at least the IT market's big prices ...

Don't take all I say as a trolling post ... I'm just saying what does really happened to me and nothing more ... As usually , MS ignores the low - budged PC users , and they say Windows 10 is the same for everyone ... what a nasty joke .

 

Well, if you are a "low budget" PC user...what features of DX12 are you expecting?  That is like using an the integrated Intel graphics card and complaining you can not play Crysis at high resolution.

[Dot Matrix]

That's the problem ...

I cannot afford a new GPU to get its full benefits and I'm supposed to critic at least the IT market's big prices ...

Don't take all I say as a trolling post ... I'm just saying what does really happened to me and nothing more ... As usually , MS ignores the low - budged PC users , and they say Windows 10 is the same for everyone ... what a nasty joke .

That's not true at all. You can still build a decent machine on a budget. If you're expecting Alienware like quality, then no, not everything is going to be the same.

[TDT]

That's the problem ...

I cannot afford a new GPU to get its full benefits and I'm supposed to critic at least the IT market's big prices ...

Don't take all I say as a trolling post ... I'm just saying what does really happened to me and nothing more ... As usually , MS ignores the low - budged PC users , and they say Windows 10 is the same for everyone ... what a nasty joke .

Oh really? I must be the luckiest person in the world then, since Windows 7 runs A LOT faster than XP on same (low) hardware. Yeah, they're ignoring the older PC's, damn them to hell.

[George P Global Moderator]

We still don't know all the new features of DX12 that need a new graphics card, we have a few ideas and so on but not a full list. Regardless, games taking advantage of all those new features won't show up till after Windows 10 has been out a few months. The majority of games will use DX11.x still, but the shift to 12 will be quicker this time because of the control and performance developers gain. Plus the Xbox One will get it to, so the overall target for DX12 games will have a boost from day 1.

[MikeM97]

#TDT - I'm not saying the OS doesn't run well , only games won't be better with the same GPU . [ 'cuz I not own a high - end PC ] .

[indospot Veteran]

They do run better with the same GPU though. Someone here has already said that, and even though I can't say for sure, I think mine does too.

[PGHammer]

More instability?  In what?  Specifically DOING what?  Other than the three games - all from a single publisher - with a single point of failure, I have found the opposite with the Technical Previews (Pro and Enterprise) - less instability (greater stability, in other words), greater performance, and without any hardware upgrades.

 

The issue with 7 specifically is due to a boot-loader change with 8.1/2012R2 - it is NOT backward-compatible with 7's boot-loader.  If you need to have 7 as part of a multi-boot, install it first (as the oldest OS).  I have four OSes installed (a quad-boot) - 8.1 those three incompatible games), 2012R2 (virtualization lab), and two copies of the Technical Preview (Pro and Enterprise, in separate partitions).  While Windows 8.1 is the "lead OS" (as oldest OS. it got installed first), the boot loader in use is that of 10 Enterprise (the last installed OS).

[patseguin Global Moderator]

Unfortunately , DX 12 won't run without a GPU with DX 12 . [ I assume that will be very expensive ] .

That's not what I read. They said that current cards will run DX12 although newer hardware is preferable.

[PGHammer]

Please - I don't have high-end anything.

None of my hardware is any newer than the Windows 7 era - my notebook (and most of my desktop hardware) still dates back to Vista.

Yet performance AND stability were both up with 8 compared to 7, and (except for those three games) up with the Technical Previews compared to 8.1 - and that's entirely with desktop applications and games.

 

By and large, the complaints about 8+ (including the Technical Previews) are about aesthetics OR the lack of the Start menu - not stability or performance - of either the OS itself or software running on it.

The latest CURRENT generation of AMD GPUs (Southern Islands) or NVidia GPUs (Maxwell) are supposed to be DX12-ready - these are indeed available today, and (at least in nV's case) are not pricey - GTX 750Ti ("baby Maxwell") is about $150USD today.

[HawkMan]

Do you , guys , even read the articles you gave me ?

 

He was quoted by Polygon assaying: "There will be DX 11.1 cards that take advantage of a lot of the driver and software tech that we're bringing in Windows 10, but if you want the full benefits of DX12, you're going to need a DX12 card." - so , a new GPU , a new budget needed - > expensive deal anyway .

 

If you were living in Romania , you would know that none of us can afford a new PC / day .

 

Also , NVIDIA stated : '' So grab one of our GPUs. Once DirectX 12 is available from Microsoft, everyone with DirectX 12 compatible NVIDIA GPUs will get support for it. Stay tuned. ''

 

Again , nothing wrong with my previous post , buying a new component everytime an OS in launched by MS will mean a waste of money .

 

New functions, but you still get some of the new features. but most importantly, you still get dx 12 and you get the new bare metal so you get much better performance.

[PGHammer]

It's NOT a bug - and it's not unique to Windows 7, either.

 

Some updates require PREVIOUS updates to be installed first - since NT 3.x, for that matter, updates are not made in a vacuum.

 

In fact, look at one of the most controversial NT Service Packs ever - NT 4 Service Pack 5.

 

The reason it was controversial is because IE 4 was a required install.

 

Never mind that IE 2.x and earlier was a pile (and desperately NEEDED upgrading) the protestation was both loud AND vociferous.  Most of those protesting were saying that they had already moved to Netscape 4.x for browsing and didn't need (or want) an IE upgrade.  Never mind all the other common files (even then) between Windows Explorer and IE.  (This was, in point of fact, heavily documented, and public knowledge.)

[BajiRav]

#TDT - I'm not saying the OS doesn't run well , only games won't be better with the same GPU . [ 'cuz I not own a high - end PC ] .

I don't usually like to say this but you should stop posting about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Read up about various topics you have touched and then come back to this discussion.

[George P Global Moderator]

I'm waiting for people to start doing benchmarks on their games to see what the changes are, we'll need better, less buggy,DX12 drivers though.

[Dot Matrix]

My birthday is on Friday. You know what would make a great birthday jift, Microsoft? *hint hint* *wink wink*

[nosense]

Some renders from todays gdc.(pic from mdl user)

[Pulagatha]

I hope those are just renders. Tiles on the desktop seems like the worst idea. The Start Screen doesn't look very well done either with what looks like poorly designed Interactive Tiles (in the Small Tablet and Large Tablet render.)

[Ian S.]

[nosense]

My screen cap.

 

 

You can watch the whole thing here.

[HawkMan]

I hope those are just renders. Tiles on the desktop seems like the worst idea. The Start Screen doesn't look very well done either with what looks like poorly designed Interactive Tiles (in the Small Tablet and Large Tablet render.)

where do you see tiles on the desktop...

[T3X4S]

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..... desperately NEEDED upgrading) the protestation was both loud AND vociferous. .

 

seriously ?  vociferous ? protestation ?

 

[George P Global Moderator]

Live tiles on the desktop is a feature requested by a good number of users on user voice, what's wrong with letting you have the option if you want it?

[trag3dy]

Live tiles on the desktop is a feature requested by a good number of users on user voice, what's wrong with letting you have the option if you want it?

 

 

I remember saying the same back with Windows 8. Apparently it can only be one way or the other.

[Pulagatha]

where do you see tiles on the desktop...

It's on the Classic Laptop render.

 

Live tiles on the desktop is a feature requested by a good number of users on user voice, what's wrong with letting you have the option if you want it?

 

Well, some people think they should be regulated to the Start Screen. It's not just an option if it's part of the desktop. An option is something that belongs in Settings. If it's something that's part of the desktop, it more a kin to being part of the OS as opposed to an option. (I feel like having the Interactive Live Tiles as part of the desktop would be annoying because it would add to the Metro/Desktop flame war. If this were presented to someone it seems like it would add to the confusion, first you have the desktop Live Tiles, then there's the Start Screen Live Tiles, then there's the Metro programs, then there's the desktop programs. I just think it adds to the confusion as opposed to just being part of the Start Screen/Start Menu were it would be looked at as an enhancement of the Start Screen/Start Menu.) If the Start Screen had it's own side bar area (like the Notification Center currently) where it was still constantly on display showing the Interactive Live Tiles if the user wanted I think this would make everyone happy. Maybe something like what Jay Machalani presented with the Start Menu using all the space on the left side of the screen. http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5265fce1e4b04f7def53c2b6/t/52a94859e4b0e7a8c4427dfc/1386825820085/07.jpg?format=1500w

[George P Global Moderator]

 

I remember saying the same back with Windows 8. Apparently it can only be one way or the other.

Different team, different time now, anything is possible if enough users want it and it's not something silly. Personally i'd like to see the taskbar fully support live tiles, for notifications etc. And also for store apps to support jump lists. Two things that can tie the old and the new together well.

[BajiRav]

where do you see tiles on the desktop...

I think he is referring to those 3 red boxes in top left corner (classic laptop, desktop). I am not sure they are tiles.