Quick poll on the UK's decision to leave the EU

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If I lived in The UK I would leave it.

[Paul1979UK]

23 minutes ago, PGHammer said:

Because the EC (and later EU)  was all about being a counterweight to a single nation - the United States of America.

Look at the negotiations within Europe that took place in the 1970s, and specifically during the Nixon Administration - and the TRADE negotiations with the United States over three things - aircraft (specifically Boeing), wine, and cheese.  Two nations pre-EU had issues with Boeing - France and Germany (and their specific national-flag carriers - Air France and Lufthansa).  France in particular had issues with the US over wine (sparkling wines in particular) and cheeses.  Even with the creation OF the EU, those same three issues are as contentious as ever.

True it was a counterweight to the US, that's not the case that much anymore, Asia is where it's the counterweight, EU, US and Asian powers.

 

Anyaw, in the end the EU and US have come to the conclusion that they are better working together more than fighting each other which I'm sure they will still do from time to time but with the rising powers in Asia, China, India, Indonesia and so on, the EU or US alone can't counter that in the decades to comes, they might have problems countering that working together.

 

Louisifer, I think Cameron should be careful with what he says, last thing he wants to do is rile up the Scots because unless there not bother about Scotland leaving the UK, also yes Scotland would of been out of the EU two years ago but they would of reapplied, also that's not the issue, the Scots don't just us English down south.

 

Gary, might not have to leave the UK if it falls apart, but then the mess is still there.

[Mando]

tonights news of the UK losing its triple A credit rating and the continued fall against the dollar isnt good 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36644934

 

hold on to our hats, here comes the rollercoaster.

 

 

wheeeeeee  

[Mando]

2 hours ago, Paul1979 said:

The EU will accept Scotland if Scotland pulls out of the UK, but it might not be on the same terms they have now, so they might need to join the Euro and so o, after all, I can't see the EU or any of it's members punishing Scotland when they wanted to remain, the veto you are talking about is just anger from some quarters, that will likely change.

accepting the euro would also solve the argument of sterling, as well as repassing Scottish laws to replace the to be dropped EU ones, retain EU laws. Simple

 

The Gibraltar development is an interesting one, it wants in if we do try. 

[Defcon]

I would like to post this for anyone wishing to understand British foreign policy. (yes its satire but its pretty much true and very relevant)

 

 

[Morisato]

7 hours ago, Mando said:

tonights news of the UK losing its triple A credit rating and the continued fall against the dollar isnt good 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36644934

 

hold on to our hats, here comes the rollercoaster.

 

 

wheeeeeee  

Stuff like this always happens when events such as these occur. It'll dip sharply for a bit but then rebound later on or level out soon after. I'm not too worried about it atm.

[Paul1979UK]

14 hours ago, Mando said:

accepting the euro would also solve the argument of sterling, as well as repassing Scottish laws to replace the to be dropped EU ones, retain EU laws. Simple

 

The Gibraltar development is an interesting one, it wants in if we do try. 

I'm wondering about Gibraltar as well, it might be much harder for the UK to hold on to it, they might end up going with what the Spanish said, joint ownership or whatever it was that was said, also Argentina might get more bold with the Falkland Islands, I suspect Russia will get tougher on the UK, after all, this is what they wanted all along.

[Paul1979UK]

14 hours ago, Defcon said:

I would like to post this for anyone wishing to understand British foreign policy. (yes its satire but its pretty much true and very relevant)

 

 

Lol what's funny about that is that it's not far of the truth, the UK have been a pain in the back side with the EU for 40 years, Charles De Gaulle didn't want the UK in the EEC at the time because UK never really wanted in, so much so that the UK had a rival economic union just years early but that failed because it didn't have a political union, it's also telling when many in the UK said the EU would be begging for the UK to come back, what we are seeing is that the EU can't wait to get rid of us, the Leave campaign have done a right number on the British people with all their lies, some of which they are backtracking on, the ironic thing is, democracy only works if the voters are well informed, most people wasn't informed on what they was voting for and in a sense, democracy failed us this time.

[Paul1979UK]

7 hours ago, Morisato said:

Stuff like this always happens when events such as these occur. It'll dip sharply for a bit but then rebound later on or level out soon after. I'm not too worried about it atm.

You're right it will stabilize, but we should be worried about the long term implication of all this which is hard to see because we're in uncharted waters but it's not looking good for the UK, I can't honestly see any way the UK can benefit by this.

[Mando]

5 hours ago, Paul1979 said:

I'm wondering about Gibraltar as well, it might be much harder for the UK to hold on to it, they might end up going with what the Spanish said, joint ownership or whatever it was that was said, also Argentina might get more bold with the Falkland Islands, I suspect Russia will get tougher on the UK, after all, this is what they wanted all along.

yep im suspecting that also.

TBh the only reason we retained the falklands was not down to just "whaling in the 70s and 80s" but the allegation of a possible oilfield.

12 hours ago, Morisato said:

Stuff like this always happens when events such as these occur. It'll dip sharply for a bit but then rebound later on or level out soon after. I'm not too worried about it atm.

i would be worried about our nations credit rating dropping from triple A, it means credit card interest rates, loans and mortgage rates will increase, as will borrowing money period for individuals and more importantly our nation which is ear deep in national debt, those interest rates will also increase.....the pound against the dollar is now the lowest it has been in 30 years.

 

you think public spending is sparse just now, look back in 5 years and we would never have had it so good looking back before june 2016.

 

you dont recover from that kind of credit rating drop for years.

Edited June 28, 2016 by Mando

[Paul1979UK]

5 hours ago, Mando said:

yep im suspecting that also.

TBh the only reason we retained the falklands was not down to just "whaling in the 70s and 80s" but the allegation of a possible oilfield.

i would be worried about our nations credit rating dropping from triple A, it means credit card interest rates, loans and mortgage rates will increase, as will borrowing money period for individuals and more importantly our nation which is ear deep in national debt, those interest rates will also increase.....the pound against the dollar is now the lowest it has been in 30 years.

 

you think public spending is sparse just now, look back in 5 years and we would never have had it so good looking back before june 2016.

 

you dont recover from that kind of credit rating drop for years.

Yeah and at the time we had Margaret Thatcher which has we know was as tough as old boots.

 

Also you can see the game the UK is trying to do by not signing article 50 early and wanting to negotiate a new deal before signing it, the UK is trying to see what deal they can get before signing article 50, Germany knows this and made it clear that there won't be any negotiating until article 50 is signed, what Germany did is right, they pushed the UK into a corner now and in the end, the UK said they wanted out, Germany made it clear that we have two options, we don't leave the EU and find some way to stay in by new referendum or some other means or we leave and we get on with it, it's in the interest of the UK, EU and world in general that we don't waste time so to stabilize the market, I suspect it will be around the end of the year.

 

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Boris Johnson if he becomes Prime Minister ends up being the one to give us another referendum, momentum seems to be building for it and I'm not surprised really now all the lies are coming out and how many of us wasn't sure on what we was voting for.

 

Either way, I suspect all this could wake up governments in the UK, EU , other EU members and other countries around the world like the US to start listening to what the people want, otherwise the far right are going to keep gaining ground and the last thing anyone wants is that.

[Shiranui]

Bloody Polish Muslims! Coming over here and taking our fruit-picking jobs!

[Depicus]

7 hours ago, Paul1979 said:

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Boris Johnson if he becomes Prime Minister ends up being the one to give us another referendum, momentum seems to be building for it and I'm not surprised really now all the lies are coming out and how many of us wasn't sure on what we was voting for.

 

Either way, I suspect all this could wake up governments in the UK, EU , other EU members and other countries around the world like the US to start listening to what the people want, otherwise the far right are going to keep gaining ground and the last thing anyone wants is that.

I'd be shocked if Boris gave us another chance as he's a long time anti EU propagandist. Maybe if the Daily Rags final shut down and all the constant anti everything post 1950 ends then maybe we could have a proper informed debate but probably not in my lifetime sadly. It's funny seeing people parrot the views of newspaper owners or is it sad, not quite sure, I think it's a sad indictment on the world today.

 

Just looking forward to a free Scotland

[MikeChipshop Member]

On 27/06/2016 at 1:51 PM, Paul1979 said:

IGNORE - Damn Neowin and it's messed up quoting system ** Shakes fist at IPB4 **

 

2 hours ago, Depicus said:

I'd be shocked if Boris gave us another chance as he's a long time anti EU propagandist.

Actually, as far as i remember, until very recently him and his father (his father still is) were very vocal pro-EU, which makes me think this is even more some sort of elaborate plan.

[Skiver Veteran]

21 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

 

Actually, as far as i remember, until very recently him and his father (his father still is) were very vocal pro-EU, which makes me think this is even more some sort of elaborate plan.

I know someone believes that the whole Cameron/Boris thing is a massive plan.

 

Cameron is fed up and to line Boris up he goes in whilst Boris goes out, this way the conservative party cover both sides. If the vote is in the Cameron would have stayed and he'd have had the support he's always had but they expected an out vote and this way Boris grabs the support of your typical Labour voters who were looking like out voters and conservatives still come out on top because they have a guy who can lead them through that "believed in it" the whole time.

 

I'm sure I've missed some key points in his theory but that's generally it and it could fit.

[Depicus]

48 minutes ago, MikeChipshop said:

Actually, as far as i remember, until very recently him and his father (his father still is) were very vocal pro-EU, which makes me think this is even more some sort of elaborate plan.

He'll do anything to get elected but from his wikipedia article

 

"...Beginning his career in journalism at The Times, he later became The Daily Telegraph's Brussels correspondent, with his articles exerting a strong influence on growing Eurosceptic sentiment among the British right-wing..."

 

If I remember correctly he was the one who wrote article after article on "straight bananas" and lots of other ######. I suspect his views are formed by his paymasters the Barclay brothers. 

[MikeChipshop Member]

22 minutes ago, Depicus said:

He'll do anything to get elected but from his wikipedia article

 

"...Beginning his career in journalism at The Times, he later became The Daily Telegraph's Brussels correspondent, with his articles exerting a strong influence on growing Eurosceptic sentiment among the British right-wing..."

 

If I remember correctly he was the one who wrote article after article on "straight bananas" and lots of other ######. I suspect his views are formed by his paymasters the Barclay brothers. 

Fair enough! No idea why i had it my head it was the other way

[Paul1979UK]

5 hours ago, Depicus said:

I'd be shocked if Boris gave us another chance as he's a long time anti EU propagandist. Maybe if the Daily Rags final shut down and all the constant anti everything post 1950 ends then maybe we could have a proper informed debate but probably not in my lifetime sadly. It's funny seeing people parrot the views of newspaper owners or is it sad, not quite sure, I think it's a sad indictment on the world today.

 

Just looking forward to a free Scotland

Well politicians are good at doing u turns so you never know, but something just tells me he's not as anti EU as he came across and was just an opportunist, he saw a opening to take Camaron down and took it, but I don't think he thought we would actually pull out of the EU, didn't help that he went into hiding right after where as Farage was having a party, now Farage really does want out and he doesn't care if it destroys the country in the process, for him it's all about getting one up on another, in this case the EU, either way, article 50 is the nuclear option, if the UK signs that then it's over and we are out and I suspect they will try to delay it as much as they reasonably can, the UK came across quite cheeky when they said they wanted to negotiate terms before signing article 50, in other words the UK wanted to see what deal we got before decided if we should sign article 50, the Germans saw this and put a stop to it forcing two options on us, sign it and get out like many said they wanted or find a way of staying in, either way I think we have to the end of the year to decide.

 

Oh and about the newspaper, I think governments should do something about them, there's free speech and there's free speech, for 40 years most of the media have been sticking it to the EU, most of the media is own by very few people and these people are having a big impact on how people think with their lies and twisting of the truth, not sure what they can do but they shouldn't be able to lie so much.

[Depicus]

2 hours ago, MikeChipshop said:

Fair enough! No idea why i had it my head it was the other way

I think because he was pro EU trade while Major of London as it was politically expedient to be. So we are going to have a crazy Yank (yes Boris is American) and two 81 year old recluses decide the future of this country

[MikeChipshop Member]

12 minutes ago, Depicus said:

So we are going to have a crazy Yank (yes Boris is American) 

 

It's almost funny that an American born Brit with Swiss and Turkish family roots has accidentally led the country to point where a large percentage now think it's ok to be racist. You ALMOST couldn't make this ###### up (almost because i'm pretty sure either Armando Iannucci, Chris Morris or Charlie Brooker have undoubtedly written this all before).

[Paul1979UK]

3 hours ago, Depicus said:

I think because he was pro EU trade while Major of London as it was politically expedient to be. So we are going to have a crazy Yank (yes Boris is American) and two 81 year old recluses decide the future of this country

It doesn't bold well does it?, and I suppose the only shining light out of all this is the young generation seem to be more in favor of a outwords looking UK, something I didn't expect, I thought a lot of the young generation would be very hostile to the EU but that doesn't seem to be the case, so maybe there is hope for the future after all.

 

3 hours ago, MikeChipshop said:

 

It's almost funny that an American born Brit with Swiss and Turkish family roots has accidentally led the country to point where a large percentage now think it's ok to be racist. You ALMOST couldn't make this ###### up (almost because i'm pretty sure either Armando Iannucci, Chris Morris or Charlie Brooker have undoubtedly written this all before).

You know I'm English, born here and lived here all my life and I do sense a kind of xenophobic and racist attitude in England and it all kicked off after 9/11 attack on New York, not just in the UK, but the rest of Europe and America as well and it's why the far right and the likes are gaining ground, I know a lot of us are becoming disillusioned with politics but these nut cases are not the answer, they are more likely to make things worse.

 

On a positive note, everything that's happening lately might get governments around the world to wake up and start listening to the needs of the people, and it would be a disaster for all of us in Europe if the EU fell apart but I don't think it will, I think they can cope with even 5 or 6 members pulling out, it won't be the end of the world, and as it is, we're not out of the EU until article 50 is signed, that's when we can really be worried.

[restroom]

As an Englishman married to a European and wth a couple of kids under my belt, I can only say remain.

 

Now the vote has been decided to leave, I'm uncertain of my families future. Want to move to my wives country, but what are the chances of me being expelled once the UK finally leave the EU and then my wife not being allowed back to the UK because she has been away for a couple of years?

 

Its a total mess. They should have had clearly laid out plans for their withdrawal and issues surrounding mixed married families before the vote. Instead the in campaign did nothing but scare monger and the leave campaign didn't really appear to do more than bang on about how crowded the UK is with immigrants and how much we can save per week for the NHS (which has now been proved to be untrue).

 

So whereas I could see reason to leave, but didn't vote because my own situation was at risk by voting so, I now strongly believe in remain now the truth of the leave party has appeared.

[restroom]

 

On ‎6‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 1:27 AM, Shiranui said:

Bloody Polish Muslims! Coming over here and taking our fruit-picking jobs!

Haha! Taking our jobs and living off the tax payer you mean! Those bloody lazy toe rags taking all our jobs and forcing their religion of polish sausage meat and beer down our throats!

 

The DM makes me laugh though. Someone actually posted that they cant wait for all the polish shops to close because they shouldn't be here in the first place! Like a polish shop is highly offensive and somehow intruding on their day. Personally, I bloody love polish food and love having polish shops near by! Although my stomach size will tell you its not such a good thing.

[Rippleman]

I am not from Europe so only speaking as an outsider. To me, the EU is an amazing concept/goal that aspires to be what the world should be. However, do to differences in cultures once the union gets too far is where I draw the line. Turkey in the EU? Open boarders with people who don't like your way of life is a mix for disaster. If I was ANY euopeam country, I would support the EU.. but close the damn borders to anyone who represents a high possibility of threat.

[restroom]

26 minutes ago, Rippleman said:

I am not from Europe so only speaking as an outsider. To me, the EU is an amazing concept/goal that aspires to be what the world should be. However, do to differences in cultures once the union gets too far is where I draw the line. Turkey in the EU? Open boarders with people who don't like your way of life is a mix for disaster. If I was ANY euopeam country, I would support the EU.. but close the damn borders to anyone who represents a high possibility of threat.

Turkey and general problems with refugees coming over using war as an excuse, but actually having ulterior motives was my reason for believing in leave, however, that doesn't outweigh the positive reasons to remain, which only started becoming more clear once we voted leave.

 

We need freedom of movement, but better enforced border controls across Europe in general.

 

The stronger EU states also need to be more inclusive and less dictatorial to some countries such as the UK and Greece. Greece is being used as an absolute dumping ground of the EU all because they are one of the poorest nations.

 

The UK is unique in as much as it is an island with own borders it can defend outside of Europe. The problem is, how do you "defend" your borders when the people you NEED to trade with demand free movement in and out of the country? How do you otherwise ensure that border control is not actually used as leverage for the extreme right wing racist groups to rise up? In the wake of Brexit we are already seeing a huge increase in race related attacks against anyone "huge bit foreign".