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SpeedyTheSnail    1,143
29 minutes ago, wakjak said:

I bet you he's gonna say something about the "millions" of illegal votes... 

 

Or the one where the democrats bussed people to other cities/states to vote... hmmmmm sounds pretty sheepish... 

I love how knowing and understanding facts and not following the mindless drones is sheepish, that's why we'll never agree on anything. I can point all the facts out, but they'll just be ignored for the socialist  democrat party line.

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wakjak    15,025
1 minute ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

I love how knowing and understanding facts and not following the mindless drones is sheepish, that's why we'll never agree on anything. I can point all the facts out, but they'll just be ignored for the socialist  democrat party line.

So which one is it? the "millions" of illegal votes? Or the ones bussed to other districts?

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+trag3dy    3,869
3 hours ago, theyarecomingforyou said:

We're witnessing the rise of fascism. Demographics are being turned against each other to distract from the abuses of the capitalist class. What's needed is a socialist movement to bring people together and to seize the means of production, allowing people to work for the greater good instead of furthering the obscene wealth of a infinitesimal minority. We cannot allow the environment to be polluted and the masses forced to work long hours in tedious jobs just so that shareholders can make more money.

And who gets to decide what the greater good is? Because to me the greater good is working to support myself and my family. Not some clueless socialist idiot in california who has never known a day of adversity in their life but someone still thinks they're being oppressed.

 

Sorry (not sorry) but the only person entitled to the results of my hard work is me.

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PsYcHoKiLLa    2,264

Is it completely lost on the Faux News dullards that all of them are immigrants, not one is actually American. The only true Americans are the descendants of native Americans. The writing on the Statue of Liberty should now be changed then to "Fk off! We're full!"

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+primortal    7,949
24 minutes ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

I can point all the facts out, but they'll just be ignored for the socialist  democrat party line.

The facts you pointed out didn't support your claims unless you lived before the 1970s (FYI it's 2018).  Then you turn around and ignore the facts I provided.  Talk about being sheep.

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Mockingbird    2,523
28 minutes ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

I love how knowing and understanding facts and not following the mindless drones is sheepish, that's why we'll never agree on anything. I can point all the facts out, but they'll just be ignored for the socialist  democrat party line.

Most voter fraud happens by mail-in ballots, but you don't see Republicans restricting mail-in ballots because more Republicans vote by mail-in ballots than Democrats.

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DConnell    6,579
8 minutes ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

Is it completely lost on the Faux News dullards that all of them are immigrants, not one is actually American. The only true Americans are the descendants of native Americans. The writing on the Statue of Liberty should now be changed then to "Fk off! We're full!"

So unregulated immigration resulted in the supplanting of an established group ...

 

Sounds more like you're arguing the case for enforcing immigration laws to me.

 

 

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Randy B    20
8 minutes ago, DConnell said:

So unregulated immigration resulted in the supplanting of an established group ...

 

Sounds more like you're arguing the case for enforcing immigration laws to me.

 

 

I don't see anyone, Dem or GOP, advocating absolutely Open Borders or unrestricted immigration.  I do think Trump has used the immigration topic as a platform to propagandize and blow up an issue into appearing worse than it really is.  Fact is, immigration had been going down several years before Trump took office.  And previous Administrations managed to avoid the Scandal and Bad Press of looking like compassionless leaders, even monsters who don't mind separating babies and toddlers from their mothers - which is an indefensible and barbaric policy no matter who is in power in Washington, IMHO.  This is NOT America, folks, when we do such monstrous things, this is not in accord with American Values, and we lose all moral suasion when we do embarrassing and indefensible things like this.  ???

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+warwagon    12,603

I don't really get it. Everyone is complaining that Fox news is Pro Trump. During the Obama years, most news networks were Pro Obama except fox. Now every news network is Anti Trump except fox. Obama had MANY pro news networks... Trump has one and everyone is bitching.

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DConnell    6,579
16 minutes ago, Randy B said:

I don't see anyone, Dem or GOP, advocating absolutely Open Borders or unrestricted immigration.  I do think Trump has used the immigration topic as a platform to propagandize and blow up an issue into appearing worse than it really is.  Fact is, immigration had been going down several years before Trump took office.  And previous Administrations managed to avoid the Scandal and Bad Press of looking like compassionless leaders, even monsters who don't mind separating babies and toddlers from their mothers - which is an indefensible and barbaric policy no matter who is in power in Washington, IMHO.  This is NOT America, folks, when we do such monstrous things, this is not in accord with American Values, and we lose all moral suasion when we do embarrassing and indefensible things like this.  ???

Parents who break the law are generally separated from their children when they're incarcerated. Why do you think illegal immigrants should get a pass on that?

 

Since when is enforcing law and incarcerating lawbreakers "not in accord with American Values"? What do you think should be done? Are these criminals supposed to be just let go because they dragged their kids along? Personally I think it's monstrous to put your own kids at risk like that!

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+trag3dy    3,869
1 hour ago, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

Is it completely lost on the Faux News dullards that all of them are immigrants, not one is actually American. The only true Americans are the descendants of native Americans. The writing on the Statue of Liberty should now be changed then to "Fk off! We're full!"

I don't know about anyone else but I was born and raised in the US. So no, I'm not an immigrant. Pretty sure the same goes for hundreds of millions of other people too.

 

What a disingenuous argument to try to make.

 

P.S. Native Americans are in fact not native to the American continent either. They migrated here just like you're saying everyone else did. Sure they were first (as far as we know) but that's rather beside the point.

40 minutes ago, Randy B said:

I don't see anyone, Dem or GOP, advocating absolutely Open Borders or unrestricted immigration.  I do think Trump has used the immigration topic as a platform to propagandize and blow up an issue into appearing worse than it really is.  Fact is, immigration had been going down several years before Trump took office.  And previous Administrations managed to avoid the Scandal and Bad Press of looking like compassionless leaders, even monsters who don't mind separating babies and toddlers from their mothers - which is an indefensible and barbaric policy no matter who is in power in Washington, IMHO.  This is NOT America, folks, when we do such monstrous things, this is not in accord with American Values, and we lose all moral suasion when we do embarrassing and indefensible things like this.  ???

Then you haven't been paying very much attention.

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wakjak    15,025
37 minutes ago, DConnell said:

Why do you think illegal immigrants should get a pass on that?

Because it's absolutely unnecessary. What kind of ridiculous question would you like to ask next?

 

37 minutes ago, DConnell said:

incarcerating lawbreakers

Seeking asylum isn't breaking the law. Next.

 

7 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Sure they were first (as far as we know) but that's rather beside the point.

No, it's not.

 

7 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Then you haven't been paying very much attention.

Show us proof of these Open Borders claims. Please.

 

I'm sure i'll get the proof, just like i'll get an answer from @SpeedyTheSnail

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DConnell    6,579
9 minutes ago, wakjak said:

Because it's absolutely unnecessary. What kind of ridiculous question would you like to ask next?

 

Seeking asylum isn't breaking the law. Next.

 

"Absolutely unnecessary" - care to elaborate? Should the children be incarcerated in the same facilities as the parents? Or do you believe these lawbreakers should get a pass because they dragged their kids along?

 

"Asylum" - You're claiming that all the illegal immigrants sneaking across the border are seeking asylum? Some certainly, but all of them? At any rate, I'm fairly certain genuinely seeking asylum would involve going to the authorities, rather than sneaking past them. I'm reasonably sure if they presented themselves as asylum seekers their kids wouldn't be taken away, even if they weren't granted asylum.

 

Try again.

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theyarecomingforyou    10,335
1 hour ago, trag3dy said:

And who gets to decide what the greater good is? Because to me the greater good is working to support myself and my family. Not some clueless socialist idiot in california who has never known a day of adversity in their life but someone still thinks they're being oppressed.

 

Sorry (not sorry) but the only person entitled to the results of my hard work is me.

You misunderstand. Socialism is about rewarding the worker class for their economic output rather than syphoning value to the wealth class. Executives and shareholders don't deserve to be paid thousands of times more than the workers producing value for a company. Capitalism deprives workers of the recognition for their hard work. McDonald's would have ZERO value without workers in their restaurants preparing food, serving customers and cleaning their stores, yet those doing the work are deprived of the value of their economic output so that executives can live in obscene opulence.

 

If you think capitalism rewards hard work then you are grossly mistaken.

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Randy B    20
50 minutes ago, trag3dy said:

Then you haven't been paying very much attention

Paying attention to what?  Lies and Propaganda?  NO, I must confess i haven't been doing that but I challenge anyone of you, on the right or left, to show me where ANY American Administration has advocated Free and Open Borders?  Truth is, you cannot.

 

So far as the other predictable Pharisaic comment about "people violating the law should be prosecuted, even babies and toddlers?"  Are you serious?  Worse, are you American?  Even worse, are you even HUMAN?  Do you have no compassion?  Shame on you!  Especially anyone claiming to be Christian, ought to be ashamed to be found defending such a barbaric and inhumane policy, that runs counter to everything that Jesus taught!  Everything.  See here, from the bible record, something both Jews and Christians, Muslims too, ought to be able to agree upon, that COMPASSION trumps any Unreasonable and Inhumane Harshness of applying 'law' ..

 

"But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,'   (Matt. 9:13)

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{Jews can look at Hosea 6:6 in the Hebrew bible, it says the very same thing}

 

It is flat out UN-American, and gives this great country a black eye, for anyone to try to justify separating infants from their parents, at the border or anywhere else.  This is NOT the values our country was founded on, it is not.

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PGHammer    1,117
2 hours ago, SpeedyTheSnail said:

I never used racism as an excuse in an argument. Fox news is not racist, nor are its viewers. CNN on the other hand... boy are they racist, as are their viewers.

 

Why do I need an ID to buy beer and cigarettes and also to fly, but not to vote? Saying that minorities can't afford a $15 ID is in itself racist, so please use that excuse as the left always does. Common sense dictates that voter ID laws exist to prevent voter fraud, I'm surprised the left doesn't support this with their hysteria over Russia's collusion with Hillary Clinton [oh wait they are diverting the truth about them (DNC) paying a foreign spy to come up with a fake dossier to get President Trump to lose] President Trump during the election.

No - it isn't.  (Consider myself - I watch Fox News Channel (in fact, I have since it launched), and I'm Black myself; I'm not THAT much lighter than oftimes sub for Neil Cavuto and his chief deputy Charles Payne (Twitter: @TeamCavuto); how the heck do you explain him?

 

That is just it - you can't.  (No less than MSNBC tried to get frequent contributor (and former RNC chair) Michael Steele to play along; he wisely would have none of it.  This was just TODAY.)  (In fact, the same argument was used against Steele himself - while lieutenant governor of Maryland.  Hello; Steele is darker than either Charles Payne OR me - he is one of only two Blacks elected to statewide office in my lifetime (the other is Charles McC. Mathias, the late United States Senator).  The very argument by Laura Ingraham is NOT a new argument - it's not even a racial argument - how much has merely Berkeley, CA changed since the Vietnam War protests? (The same can be said about ALL the sites of the Vietnam War protests - from Kent State to CCNY.)

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DConnell    6,579
1 minute ago, theyarecomingforyou said:

You misunderstand. Socialism is about rewarding the worker class for their economic output rather than syphoning value to the wealth class. Executives and shareholders don't deserve to be paid thousands of times more than the workers producing value for a company. Capitalism deprives workers of the recognition for their hard work. McDonald's would have ZERO value without workers in their restaurants preparing food, serving customers and cleaning their stores, yet those doing the work are deprived of the value of their economic output so that executives can live in obscene opulence.

 

If you think capitalism rewards hard work then you are grossly mistaken.

Ideally, perhaps. But I've yet to see a large scale execution of socialism which lives up to those ideals. The USSR comes to mind as the best example of socialism simply not working, and making life uniformly miserable for all but those controlling the "rewards".

 

Capitalism isn't ideal, but it at least gives the worker a fighting chance. And the fact that I just bought a house proves that yes, capitalism does reward hard work. It just isn't guaranteed. But I'll take a chance of success over the guaranteed failure of socialism.

 

Capitalism promises a chance of success, but does not guarantee it. Socialism imposes failure, regardless of whether you try or not.

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Randy B    20
3 minutes ago, DConnell said:

Capitalism promises a chance of success, but does not guarantee it. Socialism imposes failure, regardless of whether you try or not.

These are silly arguments, though, since America will remain a capitalist country regardless of which Major Political Party is in power.  Indeed, one of the beefs of the Bernie Sanders supporters has been that too much of the Democratic Party has been controlled by "Corporate Democrats" that, to them, are little different from Corporate Republicans.  What we really need is radical Campaign Finance Reform that gets all the Dark Money out of politics, IMHO.

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DConnell    6,579
7 minutes ago, Randy B said:

PSo far as the other predictable Pharisaic comment about "people violating the law should be prosecuted, even babies and toddlers?"  Are you serious?  Worse, are you American?  Even worse, are you even HUMAN?  Do you have no compassion?  Shame on you!  Especially anyone claiming to be Christian, ought to be ashamed to be found defending such a barbaric and inhumane policy, that runs counter to everything that Jesus taught!  Everything.  See here, from the bible record, something both Jews and Christians, Muslims too, ought to be able to agree upon, that COMPASSION trumps Harshness of applying 'law' ..

 

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And what exactly would you have the Border Patrol do? Simply allow these people in because they brought their kids? Incarcerate the children right with their parents? What solution would you propose that would assuage your righteous indignation while still upholding the law?

 

IN any other case, a parent breaking the law is separated from his/her child. What's so special about illegal immigration? Why should this particular group of lawbreakers get special consideration?

 

2 minutes ago, Randy B said:

These are silly arguments, though, since America will remain a capitalist country regardless of which Major Political Party is in power.  Indeed, one of the beefs of the Bernie Sanders supporters has been that too much of the Democratic Party has been controlled by "Corporate Democrats" that, to them, are little different from Corporate Republicans.  What we really need is radical Campaign Finance Reform that gets all the Dark Money out of politics, IMHO.

Personally, I'd have the elected officials chosen by lots, like in ancient Greece. Make it pure community service rather than something to be sought after.

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Randy B    20
3 minutes ago, DConnell said:

And what exactly would you have the Border Patrol do? Simply allow these people in because they brought their kids? Incarcerate the children right with their parents? What solution would you propose that would assuage your righteous indignation while still upholding the law?

 

IN any other case, a parent breaking the law is separated from his/her child. What's so special about illegal immigration? Why should this particular group of lawbreakers get special consideration?

 

C'mon, where is your compassion?  Your humanity?  Shame on you!

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They herded these poor kids away like so much cattle, that is never done in our Court System ..

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You are to my mind, an AWFUL human being if you think otherwise ..

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PGHammer    1,117
2 minutes ago, Randy B said:

These are silly arguments, though, since America will remain a capitalist country regardless of which Major Political Party is in power.  Indeed, one of the beefs of the Bernie Sanders supporters has been that too much of the Democratic Party has been controlled by "Corporate Democrats" that, to them, are little different from Corporate Republicans.  What we really need is radical Campaign Finance Reform that gets all the Dark Money out of politics, IMHO.

Do you really think that all (or even half) of the *dark money* used in American politics comes from corporate interests? I am talking strictly in terms of American politics - if you look at global politics, the dark money trail gets even grayer than it does in the United States - how many nations don't have roadblocks on foreign governments getting involved in politics? (I am referring strictly to Europe.)  The "rules of the road" when it comes to American political activities are a lot stricter than those in the EU or even non-EU nations - don't take my word for it; do the due diligence yourself.

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DConnell    6,579
11 minutes ago, Randy B said:

C'mon, where is your compassion?  Your humanity?  Shame on you!

When the people who follow the rules have to work and wait to get into this country, I have little sympathy for those who choose to take the easy route, and worse, put their children in danger when doing so.

 

Shame on the border jumpers for putting their kids in this situation in the first place! What kind of parent puts their kids' lives at risk when there are legal, safer, though admittedly much longer and harder alternatives? Frankly, I'd put the kids up for adoption and make sure their parents get sent back and never see them again! Let the kids have that better life, starting with parents who will not put them in danger by making them break the law.

 

Again, what solution do you suggest?

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Mockingbird    2,523
1 minute ago, DConnell said:

When the people who follow the rules have to work and wait to get into this country, I have little sympathy for those who choose to take the easy route, and worse, put their children in danger when doing so.

 

Shame on the border jumpers for putting their kids in this situation in the first place! What kind of parent puts their kids' lives at risk when there are legal, safer, though admittedly much longer and harder alternatives?

  

 Again, what solution do you suggest?

What if things are even worse at home?

 

There was one woman on TV who said that the gangs killed husband and were going to kill her and her kids so she need to come and seek asylum.

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DConnell    6,579
1 minute ago, Mockingbird said:

What if things are even worse at home?

 

There was one woman on TV who said that the gangs killed husband and were going to kill her and her kids so she need to come and seek asylum.

Then let her seek asylum, rather than sneaking across the border illegally.

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