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A pregnant woman shot in the stomach is indicted in her unborn child's death

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Noir Angel    4,210

If only American conservatives held living human beings in the same reverence as fetuses.

What a hellhole of a country that a woman can end up on the stand for this at all.

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DocM    16,435
34 minutes ago, Q-truth said:

so in truth Legislation without representation?

 

Similar to legislation by regulation, which the Supreme Court pulled back on last week in a 9-0 decision.  They admonished other federal judges to knock it off as well.

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DocM    16,435
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23 minutes ago, Noir Angel said:

If only American conservatives held living human beings in the same reverence as fetuses.

 

This case would be charged the same in many, if not most, liberal  states. New York has an almost identical law.

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What a hellhole of a country that a woman can end up on the stand for this at all.

 

If she were an innocent bystander I'd agree. She wasn't.

 

She was the perpetrator of an assault which then set off a chain reaction, causing the death of her foetus. Absent her initiating actions it'd still be alive. The culpability is hers.

 

Another example,

 

A trial just started in Michigan where a guy was in a car chase with police. He tried to ram a cop (assault with a deadly weapon), the cop fired at the driver and a passenger was killed. The driver is in trial for murder 2 in the death of his passenger.

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DocM    16,435
44 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48849040

 

They made the right call, IMO.

 

They made the politically correct call, under pressure from women's groups who should have no say in the matter. 

 

If a man had started the fight and some third party died during victim reaction they'd be on trial. 

 

In a Michigan case, this is exactly what's happening.

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wakjak    17,085
1 hour ago, DocM said:

If a man had started the fight and some third party died during victim reaction they'd be on trial. 

If a pregnant man started a fight and got shot multiple times and the baby died, I highly doubt they'd even question it and then they'd charge the shooter.

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Noir Angel    4,210

It's a ball of cells, not a person, it shouldn't be charged as murder or manslaughter period. People get into fights all the time, sometimes for good reasons and sometimes bad. Putting them on the stand for killing a ball of cells is ridiculous.

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DocM    16,435
2 hours ago, Noir Angel said:

It's a ball of cells, not a person, it shouldn't be charged as murder or manslaughter period. People get into fights all the time, sometimes for good reasons and sometimes bad. Putting them on the stand for killing a ball of cells is ridiculous.

 

The child was 5 months along, late in the second trimester, not a "ball of cells." 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alabama-marshae-jones-prosecutors-drop-manslaughter-charge-over-death-of-unborn-child-2019-07-03/

 

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The indictment said Jones "intentionally caused the death of her unborn baby by initiating a fight knowing she was five months pregnant," concluding it was "caused in a sudden heat of passion." 

 

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macrosslover    618
On 7/3/2019 at 5:32 PM, FloatingFatMan said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48849040

 

They made the right call, IMO.

Pure politics.  If Alabama's grand jury system is the same as Georgia's then this same District Attorney would have approved the original push to have a grand jury indict this woman.  She only bowed to pressure after the indictment her office would have obtained and is trying to be seen as a hero by saying she's not going to prosecute.

 

All she did was waste the time of the grand jury, if you knew you never intended to pursue the charges to their conclusion then you shouldn't have ever brought them against the woman.  But like DocM, said in later posts, if a male had did something to cause the death of a woman's unborn child, he'd be in jail right now, the only double standard in the criminal justice system is against men.

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