mudslag Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Figured we need a proper thread on this matter..just came across this, supposedly video shows train on fire 20 miles before reaching Palestine Charges dropped https://fox8.com/news/charges-dismissed-for-newsnation-reporter-in-east-palestine/ spikey_richie, +Raze, dead.cell and 3 others 5 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spikey_richie Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2359528-ohio-train-derailment-what-we-know-about-the-toxic-chemical-spill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) On 15/02/2023 at 14:52, mudslag said: Figured we need a proper thread on this matter..just came across this, supposedly video shows train on fire 20 miles before reaching Palestine Charges dropped https://fox8.com/news/charges-dismissed-for-newsnation-reporter-in-east-palestine/ Kinda it seems... ridiculous nonetheless. Wait, I'm confused, was it all charges dropped? "Lambert was charged with resisting arrest, a second-degree misdemeanor, and criminal trespass, a fourth-degree misdemeanor." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Welp... mudslag, +hedleigh and +Raze 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 Oh great, another potential issue https://www.foxnews.com/us/train-derails-outside-detroit-michigan-one-car-hazardous-materials dead.cell, +Raze, +hedleigh and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 12:11, mudslag said: Oh great, another potential issue https://www.foxnews.com/us/train-derails-outside-detroit-michigan-one-car-hazardous-materials Honestly, I don't see this getting better. We've already had two in Louisiana, one back in November, the other on Jan 28th, and the other in Houston which leaked 100 gallons of diesel I think which wasn't as bad comparatively. Nov 2nd - https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/train-derailment-acid-lead-prompt-evacuations-louisiana-92565772 Jan 28th - https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/north-louisiana-families-evacuated-after-train-derails-96743047 This is making its rounds on Reddit as well for Ohio... mudslag 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 17:34, dead.cell said: Welp... Uh, why are the train company doing that? It's the EPA's job, and one they're actively doing... I call BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) On 16/02/2023 at 12:24, FloatingFatMan said: Uh, why are the train company doing that? It's the EPA's job, and one they're actively doing... I call BS. Edit - seems might just be liability from the testing itself, like if the data is off to not be liable for "lying" I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 18:25, dead.cell said: They don't seem to feel that way I guess... EPA could hold Norfolk Southern liable for East Palestine train derailment https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/epa-could-hold-norfolk-southern-liable-for-east-palestine-train-derailment/ I'm pretty sure the train company are the ONLY ones responsible here.... Well, assuming they own both the train and the tracks... If not, then it's 2 companies... +Raze and dead.cell 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudslag Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 12:29, FloatingFatMan said: I'm pretty sure the train company are the ONLY ones responsible here.... Well, assuming they own both the train and the tracks... If not, then it's 2 companies... SidVicious, Dick Montage, +hedleigh and 3 others 5 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 19:01, mudslag said: Trump rolled back the rule preventing the train companies from doing that, but he didn't MAKE the train companies do that... So he shares responsibility absolutely, but the train companies DID it, despite knowing its unsafe... SecretAgentMan, Dick Montage, DocM and 5 others 8 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolsfolly Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 On 17/02/2023 at 06:52, FloatingFatMan said: Trump rolled back the rule preventing the train companies from doing that, but he didn't MAKE the train companies do that... So he shares responsibility absolutely, but the train companies DID it, despite knowing its unsafe... Steven P., FloatingFatMan, Xenon and 5 others 8 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 17, 2023 MVC Share Posted February 17, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 12:23, dead.cell said: Honestly, I don't see this getting better. We've already had two in Louisiana, one back in November, the other on Jan 28th, and the other in Houston which leaked 100 gallons of diesel I think which wasn't as bad comparatively. Nov 2nd - https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/train-derailment-acid-lead-prompt-evacuations-louisiana-92565772 Jan 28th - https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/north-louisiana-families-evacuated-after-train-derails-96743047 This is making its rounds on Reddit as well for Ohio... those are some ganky looking train tracks Dick Montage, FloatingFatMan and mudslag 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 16/02/2023 at 14:01, mudslag said: That was only the most recent deregulation of railroads. This all started with the Staggers Rail Act of 1980, introduced by Sen. Howard Cannon (D-NY), named for Rep. Harley Staggers (D-WV), and signed by Pres. Jimmy Carter. The late 1970s were big on deregulation which sometimes came back to bite us in the ass. More on point WRT derailments is the now common practice of Precision Scheduled Railroading, a just in time delivery system. Everything is precisely choreographed and time trimmed, including the car inspections by rail Carmen - down from 3 minutes in the past to 90 seconds today. If the car is running late, you know what happens. Lubrication ends up slipshod, a bad bearing may not be noticed, etc. Sooner or later a rail car goes off the rails. hagjohn, shockz, Taliseian and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockz Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 18/02/2023 at 20:26, DocM said: This all started with the Staggers Rail Act of 1980, introduced by Sen. Howard Cannon (D-NY), named for Rep. Harley Staggers (D-WV), and signed by Pres. Jimmy Carter. The late 1970s were big on deregulation which sometimes came back to bite us in the ass. Oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 18/02/2023 at 20:30, shockz said: Oh please. What part is factually incorrect? Has deregulation not been a clusterfrack in some areas? Is PSR a good idea given the shortened inspection times? SecretAgentMan 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 18/02/2023 at 20:16, DocM said: What part is factually incorrect? Has deregulation not been a clusterfrack in some areas? Is PSR a good idea given the shortened inspection times? We are just in awe of your whataboutism in an effort to protect your orange hero. SecretAgentMan, timster, +hedleigh and 4 others 7 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timster Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 this is peak Leopards Ate My Face material. But go on Ohio, keep voting Republican. Taliseian 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted February 19, 2023 Administrators Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 02:26, DocM said: That was only the most recent deregulation of railroads. This all started with the Staggers Rail Act of 1980, introduced by Sen. Howard Cannon (D-NY), named for Rep. Harley Staggers (D-WV), and signed by Pres. Jimmy Carter. The late 1970s were big on deregulation which sometimes came back to bite us in the ass. More on point WRT derailments is the now common practice of Precision Scheduled Railroading, a just in time delivery system. Everything is precisely choreographed and time trimmed, including the car inspections by rail Carmen - down from 3 minutes in the past to 90 seconds today. If the car is running late, you know what happens. Lubrication ends up slipshod, a bad bearing may not be noticed, etc. Sooner or later a rail car goes off the rails. You never fail to place blame on democrats but always ignore when Republicans successfully rolled back the same sort of safety measures as recently as the previous presidential term. Instead you must always find something that happened 43 years ago, but only if it is a DEM. And you call yourself an "independent" 😂 You can't even bring yourself to acknowledge what Trump rolled back as a major contributing factor. Anyone who thinks deregulation works because companies will "just be responsible on their own" are kidding themselves, there's enough in history that shows this doesn't happen. I remember how Michigan's water could be set alight from the tap! The only party that deregulates at the behest of major corporations are the Republicans, public safety be damned! +Matthew S., Taliseian, +Raze and 9 others 3 9 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Biscuits Brown MVC Posted February 19, 2023 MVC Share Posted February 19, 2023 To be fair, the head of the NTSB said this week that even if Trump hadn't killed the new regulations, it wouldn't have mattered in this case as the train and cargo did not meet the qualifications for the new braking regs. Jennifer Homendy , NTSB head tweeted: "The ECP braking rule would've applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars. This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough." dead.cell and +Warwagon 1 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 07:48, Biscuits Brown said: To be fair, the head of the NTSB said this week that even if Trump hadn't killed the new regulations, it wouldn't have mattered in this case as the train and cargo did not meet the qualifications for the new braking regs. Jennifer Homendy , NTSB head tweeted: "The ECP braking rule would've applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars. This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough." Well, that's interesting to know, thanks for sharing. Of course, you can expect conversation to die when people can't thumb their nose at each other over politics lol. Meanwhile, looks like symptoms have moved east towards Pennsylvania as well, and even if Ohio eventually gets support, I only wonder what happens to the rest of the people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 18/02/2023 at 22:16, DocM said: What part is factually incorrect? Has deregulation not been a clusterfrack in some areas? Is PSR a good idea given the shortened inspection times? Did you read up on the bill? The bill removed the collective rate making, so the companies could set their own pricing. Didn't have anything to do with safety. Quote The 4R reforms included allowance of a greater range for railroad pricing without close regulatory restraint, greater independence from collective rate making procedures in rail pricing and service offers, contract rates, and, to a lesser extent, greater freedom for entry into and exit from rail markets. Now, if you are trying to say that deregulation leads to unsafe "products", I'm sure we would love to have that discussion since republicans like you love to deregulate everything. DeathLace 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagjohn Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 08:48, Biscuits Brown said: To be fair, the head of the NTSB said this week that even if Trump hadn't killed the new regulations, it wouldn't have mattered in this case as the train and cargo did not meet the qualifications for the new braking regs. Jennifer Homendy , NTSB head tweeted: "The ECP braking rule would've applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars. This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough." Now sure how this ###### doesn't qualify as high hazard flammable is very strange to me. Anything hazardous to the earth/animals/humans or flammable should have the highest standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead.cell Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 10:10, hagjohn said: Now sure how this ###### doesn't qualify as high hazard flammable is very strange to me. Anything hazardous to the earth/animals/humans or flammable should have the highest standards. Well, this isn't really just an Ohio problem as it is a nationwide problem. One thing I'm reminded of is how lax security was at the airport pre-9/11. When you consider just how drastic of an impact train derailments can have with all the chemicals they carry, it really should be something treated with much higher priority. This is why I linked the two from Louisiana, the one from my own city of Houston, and the other one mudslag posted as well. This problem isn't going away anytime soon, and it's questionable to be worried about balloons from China when it doesn't take more than stopping a vehicle on the tracks to cause a disaster environmental problem. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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