Malechai Veteran Posted February 19, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 19, 2004 When is comes to rushing the court in basketball after a game, it is your choice whether you do it or not, so knowing the risks, if you get hurt, it's your own fault. We shouldn't outlaw rushing the court because some people make poor decisions. I agree that hockey is a different game.. i was just trying to lighten the mood a bit with a little joke :) I've bolded the part in the quote which kind of leaves me wondering if we're concerned about different things. What I'm gathering from what you're saying is that you're putting the onus on yourself. You know the risks and you'll take responsibility if you get hurt. I guess what leaves me at a loss here is that I thought we were talking about the players who don't have a choice if tons of people rush the court at him. If they get hurt, its not their fault. I think the reason we're not seeing eye to eye on the barrier idea is because we're looking at it from 2 different perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Ohh, so you are worried about the player's welfare, not the "rushers"? I'm sure the losing team hates when people rush the court, but the winning team's players always seem excited about it and celebrate with their fans. I have never heard of players getting injured by fans rushing the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdesmus Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 i think it's a stupid idea...it think it's matter of preference tho, some people enjoy it, others don't....not a big deal either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted February 19, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 19, 2004 Ohh, so you are worried about the player's welfare, not the "rushers"?I'm sure the losing team hates when people rush the court, but the winning team's players always seem excited about it and celebrate with their fans. I have never heard of players getting injured by fans rushing the court. Yes, the players not the rushers :) As for an example of a player getting hurt, here: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...14rush0214.html Honestly, other than that, I don't have any other examples. Thats recent and I think thats what made people question whether or not court rushing is acceptible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hehe, sorry Spyder. I think we were thinking about it differently. I was assuming the rushers and not the players as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted February 19, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 19, 2004 yeah, from a fans perspective, you know what you are getting into. you don't want to get hurt? then don't rush, it's that simple. just walk to the back and you'll be fine. now i guess it's different if you are on the court, and can't do anything. you could always make your way to the tunnel right as the buzzer sounds. but putting up a barrier in basketball, or stopping people from rushing the courts is just crazy, and i hope it never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 People have died from pucks flying off the ice....so we shouldn't go and watch hockey live anymore, since it's SOO big of a risk :rolleyes: Yes that's how rediculous this is. After a big win, the only idiots are the ones still in the stands thinking they are better/more mature for not rushing down to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkolVikings Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 And at least in college basketball you can celebrate and the crowds are enthusiastic. I've been to games where you can't storm the court - talk about boring. I don't know about you, but when my team beats a top ranked team, I have a lot of energy to burn and excitement. It's better than rioting outside. Enthusiasm is good. Storming the court is moronic. Sorry, but that's the truth. If the only thing that changes an awesome college basketball game from borning to exciting is rushing the court, then you've got bigger problems. Better than rioting in the streets?! Wake Forest beats Duke and you think people are going to riot in the streets? C'mon, bad example. Besides, moron is too kind a word for people who riot in the streets after their team wins. I guess common sense, self discipline, etc., have no meaning to today's youth. Go on, rush the court. Paralyze and trample more players and fans. We can't let the games get boring now can we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkolVikings Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 yeah, from a fans perspective, you know what you are getting into. you don't want to get hurt? then don't rush, it's that simple. just walk to the back and you'll be fine. now i guess it's different if you are on the court, and can't do anything. you could always make your way to the tunnel right as the buzzer sounds. but putting up a barrier in basketball, or stopping people from rushing the courts is just crazy, and i hope it never happens. Hey, if you want to condone moronic behavior, that's your perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 i still don't get why its moronic? it's just enjoying a good time. oh, and yeah, i've rioted too. nothing like a tear gas canister going off at your feet :) i'm not a crazy dude either, it's just fun to do. it's VERY rare that someone gets hurt or things get destroyed, so really, whats the big deal? like they always say, don't knock it til ya tried it :) oh, and there isn't a prize for the least moronic person when you die. you only get one life to live, so make the most of it. thats how i try to approach things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Enthusiasm is good. Storming the court is moronic. Sorry, but that's the truth. If the only thing that changes an awesome college basketball game from borning to exciting is rushing the court, then you've got bigger problems. Sorry, but it's not the truth. It's an OPINION of yours. One of which I find very immature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkolVikings Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 Sorry, but it's not the truth. It's an OPINION of yours. One of which I find very immature Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I think fans who storm the court are morons. You think that opinion of mine is immature. So be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Next thing you know, we won't even be able to yell loud at games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 yelling doesn't carry a force that a mob does. yelling wouldn't have caused that player to have his neck snapped and be partially paralyzed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 but you can get killed or have your neck snapped doing ANYTHING. driving, walking, running.... everything has an inherent risk, some are greater than others. i really don't think you can prove this is a big risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 Yes you can but we're talking about basketball here, something thats not supposed to be dangerous, but when fans charge the court, suddenly it has the real potential to be (for the players). The fact is a player has gotten hurt. I have no idea if players were hurt previously. All i'm saying (and have meant from the start) is that the players are obviously at risk when fans charge the court (otherwise this player wouldn't have been injured). Because of this recent incident, "court rushing" is being looked at as a real risk for the players. (see the link provided in first post to back that up) I'm not stating anything here beyond recent facts and my personal opinion based on those facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Storming the court is moronic. Save the insults. You may not agree, but that doesn't mean you are right. You have no right to call the people who storm the court morons. Call drug dealers moron, people who beat their wives morons, but not people who are having fun at a sporting event. I know you might not think it's a fun or smart thing to do, but that doesn't change that fact that some people like it and do it. I'm sorry, but I dislike it very much when people think THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS are fact. This is not fact, I don't think storming the court is moronic, I think it is a show of extreme happiness and excitement. Save your words or just make a thread entitled "I don't agree with......." next time. Have a healthy discussion, not one based on insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 The fact is a player has gotten hurt. Yes, A player was injured. A very unfortunate event. This, however, is the first time I have ever heard of a player being injured in an event of this nature. So if a freak injury happens one out of 1000 games, that is unfortunate, but not worth all the effort of preventing court rushing. More than one out of every 1000 motorist probably gets hurt every year, but that's not gonna make people think twice about stepping foot in a vehicle. Not a good comparison maybe, but I think you can see what I am getting at. People getting hurt is always bad, but this kind of incident is a VERY rare occasion or it would be VERY highly debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 Call drug dealers moron, people who beat their wives morons, but not people who are having fun at a sporting event. I totally agree by the way. Fans who storm the court aren't morons. I personally believe they're just caught up in the moment, which is great! They're there to have fun. I just think these people need to be aware that doing so has the potential to be dangerous. Sure they might accept that they might hurt themselves and not care, but I don't think they consider the safety of others. Perhaps a greater awareness around that issue is all that is needed. I can't imagine how those fans must feel who were directly responsible for paralyzing that unfortunate person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briangw Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Yeah, it would. What's the point of paying big money for front row seats if you have a barrier between you and the players. That would ruin that game, it would never happen. It happens in Hockey. We've got glass in the fron row at the Excel Energy Center in St. Paul for the Wild. People seem to have a fun time there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malechai Veteran Posted February 20, 2004 Veteran Share Posted February 20, 2004 Yes, A player was injured. A very unfortunate event. This, however, is the first time I have ever heard of a player being injured in an event of this nature. So if a freak injury happens one out of 1000 games, that is unfortunate, but not worth all the effort of preventing court rushing. More than one out of every 1000 motorist probably gets hurt every year, but that's not gonna make people think twice about stepping foot in a vehicle. Not a good comparison maybe, but I think you can see what I am getting at. People getting hurt is always bad, but this kind of incident is a VERY rare occasion or it would be VERY highly debated. Absolutely. I don't even pretend to know how often this happens. I'm inclined to believe you that its very rare. What the incident has caused however, is people to seriously look at court rushing and the dangers involved. What the outcome of that will be, who knows. If I can refer to your motorist example.. it might not stop people from driving, but it does cause companies to look at how to make things safer, etc. I think thats whats going to happen now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 I totally agree by the way. Fans who storm the court aren't morons. I personally believe they're just caught up in the moment, which is great! They're there to have fun. I just think these people need to be aware that doing so has the potential to be dangerous. Sure they might accept that they might hurt themselves and not care, but I don't think they consider the safety of others. Perhaps a greater awareness around that issue is all that is needed. I can't imagine how those fans must feel who were directly responsible for paralyzing that unfortunate person. Absolutely. I don't even pretend to know how often this happens. I'm inclined to believe you that its very rare.What the incident has caused however, is people to seriously look at court rushing and the dangers involved. What the outcome of that will be, who knows. If I can refer to your motorist example.. it might not stop people from driving, but it does cause companies to look at how to make things safer, etc. I think thats whats going to happen now. Finally, I was waiting for someone to give me logical answers for their rationalle, and Spyder came through. Nice arguments, I can see valid points from both sides. I think if they are worried about the safety of the players during big games (ie: Someone beats Duke), they should have Police on hand to escort the players to the locker rooms immediately after the horn sounds. Might be a better way of doing things than the barrier idea. Then the players would be safe and the fans could celebrate with each other on the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianicoleman Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 problem solved. simply do what european soccer has done: Fences have been erected and moats built around European soccer fields to prevent fans from running onto the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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