Star Trek: Starfleet Academy (Paramount+)

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 17/01/2026 at 21:36, Som said:

the biggest let down of voyager was the Year of hell 2 parter and finding out later that is was meant to be a whole season, but rick berman didn't want to do a continous story after DS9. that would have been a brilliant season otherwise

It did feel a bit rushed and it would definitely made for a good season but on the flip side I got tired of the Xindi arc in Enterprise.

The entire TOS were episodic and just fine, in fact Season 4 of Enterprise is my favorite of that series.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Yeah, quite enjoyed it. The name dropping felt forced but that was always on the cards. The overall story, acting, production, characters - nothing I particularly disliked.

[+primortal Subscriber²]

I watched the first two episodes and really didn't have too much of issue with the series so far and enjoyed it.  Nice few throw backs and some humor.

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I didn't see a problem with the Betazoid's described as empaths.  IMHO they are more empaths than telepathic.  Even Troi has always sensed emotions more than reading one mind.  I did have a problem with them not explaining why the spoke in sign language to each other.  Granted the father was deaf but they should still be able to communicate telepathically to each other especially the brother and sister.

They did touch on Discovery getting a retro fit, so I don't know if this take place before they "abandoned" Discovery somewhere or after retrieving her.  I would love to get the story on why they needed to abandon her.

 

[Stup0t]

The boys gen z / hogwarts in space.... and the chanceller really needs to replicate a hair brush, being a leader n all.

 

Also there is an extra in the background sitting on a wheeled device, that shouldnt be a thing anymore.

Bit of a miss for me.

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On 19/01/2026 at 14:15, Stup0t said:

Also there is an extra in the background sitting on a wheeled device, that shouldnt be a thing anymore.

The student could be Elaysian.

[Som]

On 19/01/2026 at 14:05, primortal said:

I watched the first two episodes and really didn't have too much of issue with the series so far and enjoyed it.  Nice few throw backs and some humor.

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I didn't see a problem with the Betazoid's described as empaths.  IMHO they are more empaths than telepathic.  Even Troi has always sensed emotions more than reading one mind.  

 

Trio was half human, hence her being only an empath. Its literally in the first episode of TNG. The rest are telepaths. 

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Betazoid

You may have no issue with it but its just another example of the writers having no clue of the source material. 

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On 21/01/2026 at 05:29, Som said:

Trio was half human, hence her being only an empath. Its literally in the first episode of TNG. The rest are telepaths. 

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Betazoid

You may have no issue with it but its just another example of the writers having no clue of the source material. 

If I remember correctly, Vance called out that the Betazoid President was an empath not the Betazoids in general.  Ake as old as she is, would know Betazoids are telepaths.

[Taliseian]

On 19/01/2026 at 11:15, Stup0t said:

The boys gen z / hogwarts in space.... and the chanceller really needs to replicate a hair brush, being a leader n all.

 

Also there is an extra in the background sitting on a wheeled device, that shouldnt be a thing anymore.

Bit of a miss for me.

Roddenberry at the launch of TNG was asked specifically about Patrick Stewart being follically challenged and how that couldn't happen in Star Trek's future.  His response was that humans at that time were no longer focused on their age, their sex, or how they looked.  Humans could look like anything and be anyone and still be accepted in society regardless of position.  That extends to hair brushes, needing a wheelchair, being a woman in a position of leadership, wearing glasses, or being obese.  As long as the person was healthy, happy, and doing what they wanted it didn't matter.

To me, that sounds like a future I would have no problems in.

[Som]

On 21/01/2026 at 13:43, primortal said:

If I remember correctly, Vance called out that the Betazoid President was an empath not the Betazoids in general.  Ake as old as she is, would know Betazoids are telepaths.

Deanna could communicate telepathically with luaxana . Anywho, who gives a ######. Nutrek is not aimed at people like me. 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 21/01/2026 at 18:44, Som said:

Deanna could communicate telepathically with luaxana . Anywho, who gives a ######. Nutrek is not aimed at people like me. 

On top of the Betazoid canon screwup, and the Jem'Hadar screwup, the glasses screwup (the drug Retnax 5 was a thing in Star Trek IV) there's also a Cheron girl in the background, the half black half white race from TOS, of which there were only 2 left in the entire universe, both males, constantly trying to kill each other. So, where'd she come from, hmm?

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say...  "No respect, no respect at all."

It's not that the show is inimically bad, but these are just sloppy mistakes that could be avoided SO easily, their addition brings nothing to the story of a Starfleet Academy, but DO alienate the older fan base, and without us, you don't have a sustainable audience for your show.

Edited January 22 by FloatingFatMan

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

On 22/01/2026 at 06:53, FloatingFatMan said:

On top of the Betazoid canon screwup, and the Jem'Hadar screwup, the glasses screwup (the drug Retnax 5 was a thing in Star Trek IV) there's also a Cheron girl in the background, the half black half white race from TOS, of which there were only 2 left in the entire universe, both males, constantly trying to kill each other. So, where'd she come from, hmm?

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say...  "No respect, no respect at all."

It's not that the show is inimically bad, but these are just sloppy mistakes that could be avoided SO easily, their addition brings nothing to the story of a Starfleet Academy, but DO alienate the older fan base, and without us, you don't have a sustainable audience for your show.

Is it Betazoid or Betazed cos I was questioning myself when I was watching it.
Like Doctor Who, it looks like they've also got a PC checklist of who they have to include as characters.

(The Cheron girl will probably end up being The Riddler)

[FloatingFatMan]

On 22/01/2026 at 12:10, PsYcHoKiLLa said:

Is it Betazoid or Betazed cos I was questioning myself when I was watching it.
Like Doctor Who, it looks like they've also got a PC checklist of who they have to include as characters.

(The Cheron girl will probably end up being The Riddler)

Betazed is the planet, Betazoid is the race.

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On 22/01/2026 at 01:53, FloatingFatMan said:

the glasses screwup (the drug Retnax 5 was a thing in Star Trek IV)

Kirk is allergic to Retinax V, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Retinax_V

If you want to picky about glasses. Being Kirk was allergic why not go with the equivalent of Lasik for that time period? 

On 22/01/2026 at 01:53, FloatingFatMan said:

Cheron girl in the background, the half black half white race from TOS, of which there were only 2 left in the entire universe, both males, constantly trying to kill each other. So, where'd she come from, hmm?

They are warp-capable species and who knows how many are actually left the planet beforehand, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cheron

 

On 22/01/2026 at 01:53, FloatingFatMan said:

but DO alienate the older fan base, and without us, you don't have a sustainable audience for your show.

I've been watching Star Trek since the late 70's and I really haven't had a problem with anything Star Trek (accept Section 31 ).  There's always going to be cannon screwups no matter what.  I just don't go into a new Star Trek series looking for things to *itch about and just enjoy the story they want to tell.

 

We can pick at holes in all the series, none of them were perfect.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 22/01/2026 at 14:21, primortal said:

Kirk is allergic to Retinax V, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Retinax_V

If you want to picky about glasses. Being Kirk was allergic why not go with the equivalent of Lasik for that time period? 

They are warp-capable species and who knows how many are actually left the planet beforehand, https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cheron

 

I've been watching Star Trek since the late 70's and I really haven't had a problem with anything Star Trek (accept Section 31 ).  There's always going to be cannon screwups no matter what.  I just don't go into a new Star Trek series looking for things to *itch about and just enjoy the story they want to tell.

 

We can pick at holes in all the series, none of them were perfect.

They may yet explain some of the differences, but my feeling with the Cheron is that she's just background colour, with no explanation ever arriving. And TBH, any explanation ruins the point of the original episode, that an entire species destroyed itself over their ridiculous fear of people that don't look the same as them. A poignant warning about what could lay at the end of racism.

 

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On 22/01/2026 at 16:13, FloatingFatMan said:

They may yet explain some of the differences, but my feeling with the Cheron is that she's just background colour, with no explanation ever arriving. And TBH, any explanation ruins the point of the original episode, that an entire species destroyed itself over their ridiculous fear of people that don't look the same as them. A poignant warning about what could lay at the end of racism.

 

See - I know we butt heads on this sort of thing - but I have to agree that this namedropping, this "look look - it's referencing the thing you like" while not really giving any reason how, why, what it means, how we got here... It's a bit "Rey Skywalker"!

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On 22/01/2026 at 11:13, FloatingFatMan said:

They may yet explain some of the differences, but my feeling with the Cheron is that she's just background colour, with no explanation ever arriving. And TBH, any explanation ruins the point of the original episode, that an entire species destroyed itself over their ridiculous fear of people that don't look the same as them. A poignant warning about what could lay at the end of racism.

 

 

On 22/01/2026 at 11:15, Nik Louch said:

See - I know we butt heads on this sort of thing - but I have to agree that this namedropping, this "look look - it's referencing the thing you like" while not really giving any reason how, why, what it means, how we got here... It's a bit "Rey Skywalker"!

They're dropping alien cameos all over the place.

From Star Trek Prodigy:

 

Exocomps from TNG

 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 22/01/2026 at 16:41, primortal said:

 

They're dropping alien cameos all over the place.

From Star Trek Prodigy:

 

Exocomps from TNG

 

I don't mind namedrops with a purpose, but for the Exocomp especially, it was just used for a gag... And really, almost 1000 years later and they still have exactly the same casing with a new paintjob?  Yeah... Suuuuuuuuuuure...

[Som]

On 22/01/2026 at 14:21, primortal said:

I've been watching Star Trek since the late 70's and I really haven't had a problem with anything Star Trek (accept Section 31 ).  

Ya but no offence but you might have a brain problem 🤣

All would be forgivable if the writing was somewhat decent but all nutrek is just so terribly written.

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On 22/01/2026 at 14:14, Som said:

Ya but no offence but you might have a brain problem 🤣

All would be forgivable if the writing was somewhat decent but all nutrek is just so terribly written.

To each is their own 

[FloatingFatMan]

On 22/01/2026 at 19:14, Som said:

Ya but no offence but you might have a brain problem 🤣

All would be forgivable if the writing was somewhat decent but all nutrek is just so terribly written.

Kinda harsh dude! NuTrek might suck for many of us, but we're still all Trek fans. Phasers holstered, please!

On 22/01/2026 at 20:47, primortal said:

To each is their own 

Not ALL NuTrek sucks.  I largely enjoy SNW.. It's not perfect, but they do a much better job, probably because Kurtzman is less involved in that show than Disco and Academy.  It still has a bunch of problems, but overall it's at least as watchable as Voyager wasn't.  

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On 23/01/2026 at 08:30, FloatingFatMan said:

but overall it's at least as watchable as Voyager wasn't.  

Why the Voyager hate? 😛  

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

On 23/01/2026 at 08:36, Steven P. said:

Why the Voyager hate? 😛  

I really struggled to like Voyager.  I felt that episodic Trek had become a bit stale, and it was VERY episodic.  And after being spoiled by (the last 4 seasons of) DS9 - I just wanted something a bit more substantial.

[Steven P. Administrators]

On 23/01/2026 at 10:01, Nik Louch said:

I really struggled to like Voyager.  I felt that episodic Trek had become a bit stale, and it was VERY episodic.  And after being spoiled by (the last 4 seasons of) DS9 - I just wanted something a bit more substantial.

Voyager had a plot arc that spanned each season though.

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On 23/01/2026 at 09:48, Steven P. said:

Voyager had a plot arc that spanned each season though.

But they were weak and poorly implemented.  I feel that the overarching stories were fine, and actually made sense - but really, I felt they were more a "background" than as integrated DS9 ones were.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 23/01/2026 at 08:36, Steven P. said:

Why the Voyager hate? 😛  

No hate, just not particularly enjoyable. It's the only TNG era Trek show I've never felt any desire to rewatch.  Very forgettable TBH.