Enabling DCE

[memNOC]

Too bad you're living on a different continent than me, because I'd love to punch your face like I'd be trying to put out a forrest fire with a screwdriver! Either say what the deal is, aka the activation procedure (if you actually do know it, which I doubt), or **** off! Save yourself any further dickwaving!

haha.

he said 'dickwaving'.

:laugh:

[SilentInfiltration]

Run DCE start commands, run MIL.BAT, repeat, and click okay on all error msgs.

Slow as hell though, and you need to port the files from 4029 to 4051 first (milcore.dll, sbctl.exe, etc)

23/06/2003 11:56 65,536 microsoft.windows.pplrtc-msgr.dll

19/06/2003 14:19 49,152 microsoft.windows.pplrtc-rtcv1.dll

19/06/2003 17:38 761,856 microsoft.windows.pplrtc1.dll

23/06/2003 11:56 443,392 microsoft.windows.pplrtc2.dll

07/02/2004 13:08 1,209,344 milcore.dll

02/10/2003 00:12 114,688 presentationbuildtasks.dll

02/10/2003 00:11 1,683,456 presentationcore.dll

02/10/2003 00:10 224,768 presentationcore2.dll

02/10/2003 00:11 2,007,040 presentationframework.dll

02/10/2003 01:10 1,027,584 presentationhost.dll

06/02/2004 18:59 4,608 sbctl.exe

02/10/2003 01:11 17,242,112 shell32.dll

14/02/2004 18:56 861,184 shellinterop.dll

Various other things you need as well, but that should get you started.

MIL.BAT

[Glowstick]

Thanks. Info saved.

[SilentInfiltration]

No problem :)

This might be of interest, as well.

Bounding box of geometry = (-0.948884,-0.930081,-0.10116) to (-0.751117,0.930081,0.10116).

Header {
	1; // Major version
	0; // Minor version
	1; // Flags
}

Material xof_default {
	0.400000;0.400000;0.400000;1.000000;;
	32.000000;
	0.700000;0.700000;0.700000;;
	0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;;
}

Material n_13___Default {
	0.588235;0.588235;0.588235;1.000000;;
	3.000000;
	0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;;
	0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;;
     EffectInstance {
      "res://shell32.dll/EFFECT/GlassEffect";
       EffectParamString { "tRefractionMap@name", ":background"; }
       EffectParamString { "tReflectionMap@name", "res://shell32/DDS/skyenvmap"; }
     }
}

// Top-most frame encompassing the 'World'
Frame Frame_World {
	FrameTransformMatrix {
  1.000000, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 1.000000, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 0.0, -1.000000, 0.0, 
  0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.000000;;
	}

Frame Frame_Group01 {
	FrameTransformMatrix {
  1.000000, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 9.208785, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 0.0, 1.000000, 0.0, 
  -0.850000, 0.0, 0.0, 1.000000;;
	}

// Note: The following matrix will be replaced by DirectX by the equivalent
//       concatenation of each keyframe's scale/rotate/translate values.
Frame Anim_MatrixFrame_Line01 {
	FrameTransformMatrix {
  1.000000, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 1.000000, 0.0, 0.0, 
  0.0, 0.0, 1.000000, 0.0, 
  0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.000000;;
	}

sky_brightblue.dds

Material DeviceImage {
 1.000000;1.000000;1.000000;1.000000;;
 3.200000;
 0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;;
 0.000000;0.000000;0.000000;;

 TextureFilename  {
  ":deviceimage";
 }
}

Frame ChamferBox01 {


 FrameTransformMatrix {
  0.871527,0.372206,0.319222,0.000000,-0.239184,0.891003,-0.385881,0.000000,-0.428055,0.259953,0.865560,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,1.000000;;
 }

 Frame {
  

  FrameTransformMatrix {
   1.000000,0.000000,-0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000,0.000000,-0.000000,0.000000,1.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,1.000000;;
  }

Etc. DirectX meshes for WorldView; not sure where they can be obtained from, however.

[Glowstick]

Which reminds me... there'll be a refresh build supposedly with WinHEC, I hope that one has DCE already activated. From what I have grasped some longer time ago from Chris Andersons blog, they've switched the hard line to DCE sometime ago. Theoretically the WinHEC build should feature it activated. We'll see.

[michaeltal]

Run DCE start commands, run MIL.BAT, repeat, and click okay on all error msgs.

Slow as hell though, and you need to port the files from 4029 to 4051 first (milcore.dll, sbctl.exe, etc)

23/06/2003  11:56            65,536 microsoft.windows.pplrtc-msgr.dll

19/06/2003  14:19            49,152 microsoft.windows.pplrtc-rtcv1.dll

19/06/2003  17:38          761,856 microsoft.windows.pplrtc1.dll

23/06/2003  11:56          443,392 microsoft.windows.pplrtc2.dll

07/02/2004  13:08        1,209,344 milcore.dll

02/10/2003  00:12          114,688 presentationbuildtasks.dll

02/10/2003  00:11        1,683,456 presentationcore.dll

02/10/2003  00:10          224,768 presentationcore2.dll

02/10/2003  00:11        2,007,040 presentationframework.dll

02/10/2003  01:10        1,027,584 presentationhost.dll

06/02/2004  18:59            4,608 sbctl.exe

02/10/2003  01:11        17,242,112 shell32.dll

14/02/2004  18:56          861,184 shellinterop.dll

Various other things you need as well, but that should get you started.

Hi! Welcome to the forum and thanks for your help!!!!! :woot:

I tried your mil.bat on 4029. What is it supposed to be doing? The only thing that it does here is slowing down the Desktop :(

The DirectX Meshes can be found in shell32.dll :)

Michael

[Glowstick]

The slow down could be explained that you activated DCE but it chose to run on the software renderer of D3D. I don't know if that's actually possible, but it'd explain the slowness. Afterall, you need a DX9 compliant graphics card. Since the OS is still in alpha, it has highly likely fallback behaviour.

[michaeltal]

The slow down could be explained that you activated DCE but it chose to run on the software renderer of D3D. I don't know if that's actually possible, but it'd explain the slowness. Afterall, you need a DX9 compliant graphics card. Since the OS is still in alpha, it has highly likely fallback behaviour.

I have a Radeon 9800 Pro, which is a DirectX 9 compatible Card, so this shouldn't be the problem!

Activating DCE also worked by just typing "C:\WINDOWS\I386\SBCtl.exe wmgstart"

I noticed a drop in CPU-activity when moving a window, so I suspect that "C:\WINDOWS\I386\SBCtl.exe wmgstart" has already started DCE :wacko:

Michael

[Glowstick]

No clue. Not yet a DX9 card here, nor Longhorn installed outside VPC, so I can't test. The easiest way to test would be moving another windows on top and back over another application that has a lot of controls by itself. If DCE works, you should not see any white flashes from redraws.

[SilentInfiltration]

Well, because MIL.BAT wasn't written by me, it's horribly incorrect and ineffective. Your best bet is to load up Milcore into depends.exe, look for the hooks, and then call them in whatever order you think makes more sense than the one in MIL.BAT (that's what I was doing before I got fed up of the networking bug in 4051).

I haven't tried any of this in 4029, but there shouldn't be any difference in the procedure. Just keep at it, and you should eventually get it. The DLL functions are named pretty descriptively, and when looking through them, and comparing it to MIL.BAT, there were a few functions which I was surprised weren't included by the creator.

But yeah, just try playing around with different functions in MILCore.dll, and eventually you'll find a combination which works :)

As to what the script does, if you grab your windows and move them around VERY fast, you should notice that the edges kinda warp and distort. That's the 'wavy windows' stuff attempting to manifest itself, but failing because of the draw lag. I'm 90% sure that Tom Servo is correct, and it's attempting to do it via software mode. The reason for this is that the hardware accelerated server is not being called via MILCore - again, something which can be sorted out by finding the right sequence of commands.

[michaeltal]

Well, because MIL.BAT wasn't written by me, it's horribly incorrect and ineffective. Your best bet is to load up Milcore into depends.exe, look for the hooks, and then call them in whatever order you think makes more sense than the one in MIL.BAT (that's what I was doing before I got fed up of the networking bug in 4051).

I haven't tried any of this in 4029, but there shouldn't be any difference in the procedure. Just keep at it, and you should eventually get it. The DLL functions are named pretty descriptively, and when looking through them, and comparing it to MIL.BAT, there were a few functions which I was surprised weren't included by the creator.

But yeah, just try playing around with different functions in MILCore.dll, and eventually you'll find a combination which works :)

As to what the script does, if you grab your windows and move them around VERY fast, you should notice that the edges kinda warp and distort. That's the 'wavy windows' stuff attempting to manifest itself, but failing because of the draw lag. I'm 90% sure that Tom Servo is correct, and it's attempting to do it via software mode. The reason for this is that the hardware accelerated server is not being called via MILCore - again, something which can be sorted out by finding the right sequence of commands.

OK, thanks! :)

I think will be playing around with it a bit!

Michael

[glix81]

This is what me and my friend are working on.

We have one computer with 4029 and another with 4053, they are working side by side. We are going to start working on what dce actually has in it for activating dce and 4029 has that 4053 doesn't

[mrastudent]

That would be cool if we can figure out how to get this going in 4053 :yes:

But then a day after we do, there will be a new build with it enabled automatically :rofl:

[michaeltal]

That would be cool if we can figure out how to get this going in 4053 :yes:

But then a day after we do, there will be a new build with it enabled automatically :rofl:

yes, probably! :rolleyes:

[glix81]

weird stuff happened, we ran mil.bat on 4029 and after closing all the error messages, we used the two sbctl lines, and the screen turned red. we could still do things like move the taskbar and things, just the entire screen was pure red.

[SilentInfiltration]

You need to run SBCTL first, then MIL, then SBCTL, then MIL. Don't run SBCTL a third time :p

[glix81]

Hey tell me

How do you ati guys out there install the drivers for your systems? When i try to install them it says 'SETUP was unable to complete the installation. Try to setup a your display adapter with a standard vga driver before running setup.

Any ideas?

[glix81]

You need to run SBCTL first, then MIL, then SBCTL, then MIL. Don't run SBCTL a third time :p

ok explain exactly what i have to run and in what order (to be sure)

[Nanorobot]

I did get it working ounce with the windows selection and dropdowns working, and stable. The only bug it it isn't very stable, so it's either hardware accelerated? with no dropdowns, sometimes it some windows deforming that could be wavy windows or it just shows does somthing totally random. Its sort of unpredictable at the moment.

ATI hack: you need 4053 for this to work. Get the driver cab for 4053 and overwrite the 4029, then get the ati infs from windows\inf and put them in the right 4029 forlder, the update the driver, thats how I backported the ati drivers to 4029.

Edited March 13, 2004 by Nanorobot

[Isakowski]

Is a geforce4 420 Go Card fully DX9 compatible??? :unsure:

[velocity3k]

Is a geforce4 420 Go Card fully DX9 compatible??? :unsure:

no

[glix81]

I did get it working ounce with the windows selection and dropdowns working, and stable. The only bug it it isn't very stable, so it's either hardware accelerated? with no dropdowns, sometimes it some windows deforming that could be wavy windows or it just shows does somthing totally random. Its sort of unpredictable at the moment.

ATI hack: you need 4053 for this to work. Get the driver cab for 4053 and overwrite the 4029, then get the ati infs from windows\inf and put them in the right 4029 forlder, the update the driver, thats how I backported the ati drivers to 4029.

So do you have the dce thing working?

[Nanorobot]

It works sometimes. And it has a few bugs. So it sort of works, not perfect and no fancy stuff yet.

[fr1sk3y]

hi guys,

what program/debugger have you used to find out about the functions in milcore.dll? i'm asking, cus i wanna do my own "test"

PM me or [email protected]

10x in advance

[mrastudent]

hi guys,

what program/debugger have you used to find out about the functions in milcore.dll? i'm asking, cus i wanna do my own "test"

PM me or [email protected]

10x in advance

It's not illegal or anything, they can just post it here. :ninja: