FBI wants backdoor in MSN Messenger

[neufuse Veteran]

Oh my god! American truely is the land of the free! :(

Really thats not meant to be a flame, but look what your government (and the various corporations that work with it) are doing to you.. freedom of speech gets you locked up, they want backdoors on everyones computers to find out what they are up to, the RIAA are sueing people left right and centre.. its insane.

Its only a matter of time until we get this crap here in the UK. Well, that is until the next general election comes round and Blair is out on his ass!!

And MI-5 and interpol isnt doing similiar things? because they are doing them also...

[poind]

FBI and whoever can already get wiretaps on phones and whatnot as long as they demonstrate just cause/legal necessity in advance.

As long as there are proper checks and balances in place / the stuff can't just be used subjectively and arbitrarily, I'd support the implementation of such capabilities for the rare times when there's justified need.

Do just hope these "back doors" are secure enough that they can't be used by others or without advance, formal, legal authorization with clear cause.

[Abz2k4]

The FBI can kiss my A$$ if they think they're tapping any of my convo's. They think they have control over everything, the b******s :angry:

[Glowstick]

If they manage to implement these backdoors, I'll be dropping MSN. If they succeed, you can be sure that ICQ and AIM are next. Time to move to Jabber fulltime I suppose.

[John Veteran]

wouldn't suprise me if we were bieng spied on msn anyway its not like ms' software doesnt contain any spyware in there

Please post in my thread on spyware in XP :p

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=134566

[+John Teacake MVC]

well, it's FB:):) I don't think they can make ISPs do that in Canad:p:p

Better to stop talking to people in America over MSN then as they will monitor your side of the conversation comming into the country. I presume that this has something to do with preventing terrorism. I have nothing to hide . . . well nothing that would bother the government anyway:whistle:e: But i dont agree with them monitoring conversations like this. You cant exactly see terroists communicating over X BOX live or Bin Laden having a quick chat over MSN with his mates planning the next terrorist attack if this law comes into power.

[Glowstick]

If the MSN protocol itself has backdoors, then it doesn't matter if you're in the US or not.

[[david]]

they're gonna listen 2 my msn stuff? s***s***s***

[Toxikk Veteran]

moving to canada never sounded so good.

[MEMO.INC]

what is next, toy phones.. classroom note messages... :(

This is getting sick, i hope they respect other nations laws,if they want to make an "US" version it's ok (you can allways vote for the opossition candidate in the next election)

[Toxikk Veteran]

i am sure it would be "for our own good" though

[Jelly2003]

Like I said in the previous news article, I can understand why they would want to do this, although I do not believe that tapping MSN, Xbox Live, AIM, etc is going to get the US govt anywhere.

How stupid would a terrorist have to be to try plan anything using a popular chat program? If I ran a terrorist group I'm pretty sure that I'd have my own encrypted network in place, I wouldnt use somthing that every man and their dog uses.

I think this is more of an excuse to survey society, somthing to make the FBI feel powerfull, nothing more.

Also, just because America implements this, for it to be 100% effective other countries need to follow suit, if only America implements it, then only conversations Americans are having could be monitored. They wont get anything from a conversation taking place between people in 2 non US countries.

[Japlabot]

If the FBI wanted access to ones Internet communications, then why don't the install a backdoor on their suspects PC themself rather than get others to add a backdoor for them. :rolleyes:

[Toxikk Veteran]

If the FBI wanted access to ones Internet communications, then why don't the install a backdoor on their suspects PC themself rather than get others to add a backdoor for them. :rolleyes:

HeY, lets not give them any ideas aiite! ;)

[Ph8l]

wtf... thats all i can say...

[Glowstick]

How stupid would a terrorist have to be to try plan anything using a popular chat program? If I ran a terrorist group I'm pretty sure that I'd have my own encrypted network in place, I wouldnt use somthing that every man and their dog uses.

That's exactly the point. The reasons for surveillance on IM and VoIP are just strawmen arguments to move to 1984. And even if these terrorist would use standard communication means, pretty much most of them can be encrypted afterall. For instance PGP on ICQ and Emails, Miranda using the secureIM protocol, VoIP and all other IP communications via IPsec (and your own certificate server), etc. There's always a way to prevent surveillance. Trying to do the big push just to catch the small fish is nonsense, and they know it.

[idbuythatforadollar]

HeY, lets not give them any ideas aiite! ;)

Ahem, project codename 'magic latern' ring any bells?

[eye_crust]

project 'carnavore!'!@#%!@

[prell]

This just shows how completely ignorant the government is about the internet. The FBI, no less, and they're supposed to be pretty in-the-know! And no, I don't think "completely ignorant" is going too far: understanding the internet in its most *basic* form means that you understand that it cannot be controlled or "administered," and there are several very good reasons for that, not the least of which being compatibility and inclusion by myriad protocols. That the FBI thinks they can just change all that is very disheartening and frankly disgusting.

[Rolando]

i am sure it would be "for our own good" though

and whom does this "our" include ? :/

[Rolando]

https://www.neowin.net/comments.php?category=main&id=18976

what happened to the post ? :huh:

[Chode]

If the FBI wanna wiretap me with software that automatically scans for certain words, I will make sure to fill every contact session with some "hot" words to **** them off....had a good list of these, now where was it....

It's about 6 years old, and I don't remember what website it came from, so here we go:

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[Orange Battery]

If the FBI wanna wiretap me with software that automatically scans for certain words, I will make sure to fill every contact session with some "hot" words to **** them off....had a good list of these, now where was it....

It's about 6 years old, and I don't remember what website it came from, so here we go:

CDC, DOE, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC, CIM, ISN, DJC, SGC, 1997, Whitewater, MOD, York, plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, 312, NB, CBM, CTP, Sardine, SBIRS, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, 3B2, BITNET, COSMOS, DATTA, E911, FCIC, HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, JICC, 868, GCHQ, DITSA, SORT, AMEMB, NSG, HIC, EDI, SAS, SBS, UDT, GOE, DOE, GEO, afsatcom, CQB, NVD, Counter Terrorism Security, Rapid Reaction, Corporate ARC, S.E.T. Team, MP5k, DREC, DEVGRP, DF, DSD, FDM, GRU, LRTS, SIGDEV, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, Lacrosse, Flashbangs, basement, data-haven, black-bag, TEMPSET, Goodwin, rebels, ID, MD5, IDEA, Blackbird, plutonium, Texas, jihad, SDI, Uzi, Fort Meade, supercomputer, bullion, 3, Blackmednet, Propaganda, ABC, Satellite phones, Planet-1,card, b9, fraud, assassinate, virus, anarchy, rogue, mailbomb, 888, Chelsea, Coderpunks, TRW, remailers, replay, redheads, RX-7, explicit, FLAME, Competitor, EO, Chan, Alouette, executive, Event Security, Mace, Cap-Stun, Compsec 97, LLC, DERA, Mavricks, Meta-hackers, ^?, Steve Case, Tools, Telex, Corporation, Wackenhut, EO, Wackendude, mol, Hillal, GGL, CTU, botux, Counterterrorism, spies, eavesdropping, debugging, interception, COCOT, cryptanalysis, nuclear, FBI, Panama, fissionable, Sears Tower, NORAD, Delta, DSD, BVD, 1984, Flintlock, cybercash, government, hate, speedbump, Egret, Iris, Hollyhock, Jasmine, Juile, Vinnell, B.D.M., Sphinx, Stephanie, espionage, PI, TSCI, industrial intelligence, H.N.P., Juiliett Class, Fetish, Yobie, CTP, CATO, Phon-e, Chicago Posse, l0ck, spook keywords, PLA, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, MOIS, SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, OAU, Force, SEAL, virtual, Dolch, secure shell, screws, Black-Ops, Area51, SABC, garbage, market, beef, Stego, unclassified, utopia, orthodox, Alica, SHA, Global, gorilla, Bob, Pseudonyms, MITM, Gray Data, VLSI, mega, Leitrim, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, BBE, STEP, Echelon, Dictionary, MD2, MD4, MDA, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, NSA, CIA, S/Key, SSL, FBI, Secret, Harvard, 1080H, SWS, Asset, Satellite imagery, force, Cypherpunks, HRT, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, NAVWAN, illuminati, president, freedom, cocaine, $, Roswell, ESN, COS, E.T., credit, Indigo, wire transfer, e-cash, Bubba the Love Sponge, Digicash, zip, SWAT, Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive Information Warfare, Intiso, r00t, lock picking, Beyond Hope, csystems, passwd, 2600 Magazine, Ionosphere, Mole, Keyhole, Kilderkin, Artichoke, Badger, Cornflower, Daisy, IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, niche, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, eternity server, Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, M72750, Salsa, 7, Blowfish, Gorelick, Glock, Ft. Meade, press-release, Macintosh Internet Security, Macintosh Firewalls, Unix Security, VIP, Masuda, Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, CQB, CONUS, CTU, RCMP, GRU, SASR, MF, VHF, UHF, SHF, SASP, ######, Colonel, domestic disruption, smuggle, 15kg, Military Intelligence, Scully, Flame, Infowar, Bubba, Freeh, Archives, MYK, 747,777, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-11, Shayet-13, SADMS, Spetznaz, NACSI, PSAC, PTT, RFI, SIGDASYS, TDM. SUKLO, SUSLO, TELINT, TEXTA. ELF, LF, National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, Reno, Compsec, Computer, Nike, Atlas, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, nitrate, Pretoria, M-14, enigma, Bletchley Park, Clandestine, nkvd, argus, NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, LABLINK, USACIL, USCG, NRC, Ortega, PPP, crypto-anarchy, AT&T, SGI, SUN, MCI, Blacknet, Middleman, KLM, PEM, RSA, Perl-RSA, MSNBC, bet, AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX, STARLAN, penrep, racal, OTP, OSS, Blowpipe, CCS, GSA, Kilo Class, squib, primacord, PFS, Aladdin, chameleon man, Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, Peering, 17, pink noise, CRA, M.P.R.I., top secret, Mossberg, 50BMG, Macintosh Security, Pornstars, AVN, Playboy, Anonymous, Sex, chaining, codes, Nuclear, 20, Privacy, Information Terrorism, Terrorism Defensive Information, Defense, Protection, SIG, sweep, Medco, TRD, TDR, sweeping, TELINT, Audiotel, quiche, DES, 1*, NATIA, NATOA, sneakers, counterintelligence, industrial, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS, Halcon, Duress, RAID, Psyops, grom, D-11, SERT, VIP, Reflection, Spoke, Talent, Trump, FX, FXR, IMF, POCSAG, Covert Video, ReMOB, LEETAC, UTU, VNET, BRLO, BZ, CANSLO, CBNRC, CIDA, JAVA, Active X, rhost, rhosts, SETA, Amherst, Broadside, Capricorn, Gamma, Gorizont, Guppy, RSP, Becker, Nerd, fangs, Austin, Comirex, GPMG, Speakeasy, humint, GEODSS, Security, Police, sniper, PPS, ASIS, ASLET, TSCM, Security Consulting, High Security, Security Evaluation, Electronic Surveillance, MI-17, Service, USSS, Defcon, Military, White House, Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, HoHoCon, SISMI, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, EG&G, AIEWS, AMW, WORM, MP5K-SD, 1071, SORO, M5, ANC, zone, SBI, DSS, S.A.I.C., Minox, Keyhole, SAR, Rand, stakeout, ninja, ASIS, ISA, EOD, Oscor, Merlin, NTT, SL-1, Rolm, TIE, Submarine, Locks, loch, Ingram Mac-10, sigvoice, ssa, E.O.D., SEMTEX, subversives, SLIP, toad, fish, data havens, unix, c, a, b, d, the, Elvis, Sundevil, jack, Investigation, ISACA, NCSA, spook words, Verisign, Secure, TDYC, W3, CUD, CdC, Weekly World News, Zen, World Domination, Dead, GRU, Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS, Passwords, DefCon V, Tie-fighter, PBX, SLI, NTT, MSCJ, MIT, 69, RIT, Time, MSEE, Cable, UKUSA, veggie, 3848, Morwenstow, Consul, Oratory, Pine Gap, Menwith, Mantis, UNCPCJ, CFC, DREO, CDA, DRA, SHAPE, SACLANT, BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, HAHO, FKS, USP, PCS, NRO, Red Cell, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, Virii, CCC, Blacklisted 411, Internet Underground, XS4ALL, Retinal, Fetish, Waihopai, INFOSEC, Information Security, Information Warfare, IW, IS, WINGS, cdi, DynCorp, UXO, Ti, THAAD, package, chosen, PRIME, SURVIAC, Wireless, CSE, Embassy, ETA, Porno, Fax, finks, Fax encryption, white noise, Yakima, Sugar Grove, Cowboy, Gist, 8182, Gatt, Platform, 1911, Geraldton

:laugh: I will have a go at that too

[Neb]

some odd words there

badger, aol, 15kg... :s

[duhk]

why is nike in it?