FBI wants backdoor in MSN Messenger

[netstarman]

Well let them wait till they see what i type if there peeking in on my messenger HEHEHEHEHE ;)

[one321]

You know this probably has a good chance at making it. If the Patriot Act isn't being stopped then I don't see why this would be. That is some scary stuff.

[Tim Dorr Veteran]

There is no such thing as democracy.

Yeah, because no one's doing anything about it. If this country goes to shambles, it's your own damn fault because despite what you believe, you *do* have the power to change things. It's just that no one gives enough of a damn to get off their ass and actually make the difference. It's this self-destructive mentality of this nation's culture that gives the illusion of a lack of democracy.

[biorK]

Oh I forgot it was the FBI, maybe then they can't touch us swedes here in sweden :) hope so.

If this get approved, whatever.. I will definitly switch to Linux.

[demorgoron]

or here in Sweden :D

or here in puerto rico :unsure:

oh ****,we are a US territory :shifty:

[[david]]

Yeah, because no one's doing anything about it. If this country goes to shambles, it's your own damn fault because despite what you believe, you *do* have the power to change things. It's just that no one gives enough of a damn to get off their ass and actually make the difference. It's this self-destructive mentality of this nation's culture that gives the illusion of a lack of democracy.

i am doing things about it. i spent loads of time in anti-war marches before the war. nothing happens. stop bush marches when he visited london. nothing happened. but i can't vote for 2 and 1/2 years yet. :angry: and there are no really major political parties that have my views. the swp? cpgb? i don't think they've ever held a constituency.

[TooPackShaker]

ever heard of carnivore? they are already monitoring everything you do online anyway

[PseudoRandomDragon]

No, not all ISPs have carnivore. The ISPs that say "no comment" have carnivore. The ISPs that say they don't have it don't have it.

It does not bother me that the FBI wants this, what troubles me is the lack of control over how the FBI can use this power.

[PseudoRandomDragon]

If this get approved, whatever.. I will definitly switch to Linux.

If you choose Mandrake, you are welcome to PM me for tips.

[d10p]

You can always use a better IM client such as Miranda.

[Chode]

Yeah, because no one's doing anything about it. If this country goes to shambles, it's your own damn fault because despite what you believe, you *do* have the power to change things. It's just that no one gives enough of a damn to get off their ass and actually make the difference. It's this self-destructive mentality of this nation's culture that gives the illusion of a lack of democracy.

I'd normally agree with you, Timdorr, but the anti-war protests all around the world did sweet **** all to change the government decision...representative of the people my ass!

I've always said the American government wanted to **** the world in the ass, now they want to backdoor us :huh:

[GrandMaster]

land of the free...

how does this apply to other countires? if the bill was passed and a user were to ues MSN in russia, would the FBI have acess to his conversations?

[Shadrack]

I've always said the American government wanted to **** the world in the ass, now they want to backdoor us

ROFL!

[NeoSigma]

well, it's FB:):)  I don't think they can make ISPs do that in Canad:p:p

The police can already monitor your IM conversations. Trust me.:shifty:y: They just can't use it aginst you in court or something like that.

There's always IMSecure;);)

[Xenos]

I didnt wanna say too much about this.....I'm as skeptical and paranoid as the next guy....lol.....but this makes me wonder about the future releases of window$ and its higher end security measures of Longhorn that I keep reading about. Not only that, but the closeness that M$ has with all levels of governments and how they kiss sweet a$$ and give them copies of their software and such. Maybe Einstein said it best when we said that everything is relative....here online this is reflected to the fullest.

Sure, this might be the FBI and such, and maybe us foreigners across the globe don't have or don't wanna stress about this too much, seeing that their grip isn't global....but it does have influence into every place you can think of.

To me, all this has been in a downward spiral since the "threat" of Y2K, which pretty much was a cash cow to most big companies....but thats just my opinion.

The fact remains that eventually our freedoms will be stripped away, along with privacy and all that. I'm sure I'll get some flack over this, and I don't mind at all. I might not be the most well read individual out there either but you can't tell me its a cow when it oinks that loud.....kiss the web as we know it goodbye, its only a matter of time kids.....

[PseudoRandomDragon]

THere is no doubt in my mind: DRM will be a major threat to privacy and computing rights. DRM does not always mean that, it can be as benign as activation. However, it is going to be used for greater evils. The TCPA chip scares me more. If I don't like DRM, I can just not use WinXP/Wronghorn/WMP7+. Thing is, TCPA is to be in new motherboards. A hardware version of DRM that I have no choice but to have. UGH!

This is one of the many reasons I am using Mandrake Linux. I think Linux is our only way out of this.

[Tim Dorr Veteran]

If this get approved, whatever.. I will definitly switch to Linux.

It has nothing to do with what operating system you're on. If you're using GAIM on Linux, it's not going to help because they want the backdoor at the server level, not the client level.

[Tim Dorr Veteran]

I'd normally agree with you, Timdorr, but the anti-war protests all around the world did sweet **** all to change the government decision...representative of the people my ass!

Protests aren't what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is calling up your representative and getting in their face about the issues. It's seriously as easy as picking up the phone and giving them a call. But if you really want to get into it, you can visit them at your respective capitol. It's called lobbying; learn it and love it, because it's the most direct way to get what you want from your government.

[Trust]

Well, how 'bout people's privac:unsure:e:

privacy in us? are you joking... Right?

[Trust]

what a lot of rights are loosing the common ppl there in us... And the worse of all is that they dont note whats going on... Even more they think that the gov is doing right. To protect them... Nothing more far than this... Soon china will be more free than us, and the common ppl living in that country will think that they still free. After all, common ppl have nothing to hide, so, who cares about privacy... Huh?. Nobody, because the goverment is doing that for your safe, right... Little by little us will be like alcatraz, nobody can in, and nobody can gets out. And the ppl in there will be controlled by who knows... And this what you know... Who know what will have inside the next windows version... Nobody read the liltle fonts of the agreenment. So...

btw, I think if there is someone that wanna do something bad, never and ever will use a common/public service. Only common ppl do that. And the FBI knows that. Like many ppl in DC knows about before 9/11 happends (I dont wanna start a war in here, just read your politics and you will know what Im talking about, and always try to read a foreing source, they have no interest and a goverment behind).

Well, I hope you ppl (us ppl) be happy with a smile controled and drawded by your politics and the goverment of turn. This is the time where there is no return. Your 'machine' will be against you, and you dont know it ;)

[Arkaic]

f*ckin damm bassackwards bush and his a$$hole way of thinking. biggest royal dip, actually non royal. this is complete bull crap. i am more likely to be killed by a drive by shooting tomarrow than a f*ckin terrorist. and i live nowhere near a city. sickening that we can withstand our privacy being stolen. and scr@w greedy corp lastards like the riA$$holesAnony.

edit: i am voting against bush this election and if he gets in again ill loudly voice my complaints.

Edited April 13, 2004 by Cierro

[VGVL]

It bothers me that the FBI wants to have control over everything. MSN Conversations, Emails, Xbox Live, VoIP, What the hell are they thinking?

I've always been paranoid of MSN Messenger, and now I actually have a valid reason to be afraid. :hmmm:

Now I have to speed up my search for a truly secure, Open Source IM Client.

I wonder if they can scan SSH2 Tunnels. Is it possible to scan VoIP Packets over an SSH2 Tunnel? :shifty:

[Shibby]

timdorr, i am sorry to say this your wrong,

like the people in america have a say in, cause bollocks they hardly get a say in much the same in every other country. sure you can go face to face with a someone like bush or kerry but remember they will just make u look yay small when they start talking and just some people to escort you out of there face.

well since face to face ain't going to work let try people of USA vs The goverment, goverment will win.

so face it you can't do f' about it, getting groups together and have rallys and signing petitions are gunna do f' all.

[idkfa]

timdorr, i am sorry to say this your wrong,

like the people in america have a say in, cause bollocks they hardly get a say in much the same in every other country. sure you can go face to face with a someone like bush or kerry but remember they will just make u look yay small when they start talking and just some people to escort you out of there face.

well since face to face ain't going to work let try people of USA vs The goverment, goverment will win.

so face it you can't do f' about it, getting groups together and have rallys and signing petitions are gunna do f' all.

nice quote in your sig :p

[Mystical112]

the fbi can kiss my backdoor......

they're wont be any privacy anymore...