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Running Mac OS X on x86 PC!

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toadeater

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I am pretty sure he's not worrying too much.

This surely isn't a true solution to running OS X on an x86 cpu. In order for it to be a true solution it would need to be able to be duel booted with XP or win2k.  I doubt that it would become mainstream if it could only be run in a virtual world on top of another runnning OS.

Besides...most people buy macs not only for the OS...but also because of the pc design.

I'm sure he's happy about all the free publicity. Besides, everyone knows Apple has had a secret x86 version developed already. ;)

Also, if you're going to emulate OS X, you should probably get this G5 clone PC case (Lian-Li V-1000):

v-1000S.jpg

Could mod a G5 case too I suppose, but that would be a hassle.

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PGHammer

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And what exactly will apple do? If you know anything about emulation history you should be fully aware the courts have consistantly ruled (in most western nations) that emulators are perfectly legal unless they are directly including copyrighted code.

So unless apple can prove this emulator is composed of code they have written they don't have a legal leg to stand on.

Aditionally, emulators exist for a variety of consoles. (and even other computer systems) I have yet to see any evidence that they have damaged the company that produces the hardware in any way. In fact, it could actually HELP in some cases. Take the Xbox for instance. At times the Xbox is costing them more to make than what they are selling it for. Like Sony and Nintendo the REAL money comes from SOFTWARE sales NOT hardware.

Personally I enjoy using emulators for my playstation 1 games especially as I am final fantasy fan. Get your self final fantasy 8 and run it on a playstation one. Then run it on the latest epsxe with Pete's latest GPU. Graphics are FAR FAR enhanced over the PS1. You have to see it to believe it.

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with running software on different hardware so long as you have bought the software.

By the way - even *IF* apple complained about this - does anyone remember when Apple themselves released software to run Windows (or windows apps) way back when and included it with their systems? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black... Even Microsoft didn't have the balls to challenge them on that. I would love to see that little fact brought up in court.

And one of the best known (none other than Basilisk II) has been emulating 68K Macs for quite a while (in fact, using the current Win32 version, which hasn't been updated for years, I've emulated Quadras that have *never* existed in reality, such as a 384 MB Quadra 900...and this was using a mere 1 GHz Intel P-III).

I commonly used B-II for MacOS troubleshooting issues commonplace on 68K Macs (and will likely use PearPC, when finely tuned, to do the same with regards to PPC Mac/OS X-unique software issues). That's my biggest single use for OSes *other* than Windows XP (which is my day-to-day OS): troubleshooting atypical issues on atypical software that PC users usually don't see.

It's why I've kept up with Solaris, for example.

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phalanx126

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i'm getting the same error when i try to install jaguar as i did when i tried to install panther. i know i have an .iso file this time though. it keeps telling me that it can't open my .iso file, does anyone have any ideas, i feel like i'm pretty close to getting it to work if i can only get over this last hurdle!

here's my config file:

# PearPC Configuration File, generated by PearPeeler 0.1

#

ppc_start_resolution = 4

redraw_interval_msec = 200

prom_bootmethod = "select"

prom_env_bootargs = ""

prom_env_machargs = "-s"

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

memory_size = 0x10000000

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1

pci_ide0_master_image = "HD-OS-X-Panther-PREP.img"

pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1

pci_ide0_slave_image = "Mac OSX 10.2 Jaguar Disc 1.iso"

pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

pci_3c90x_installed = 0

pci_3c90x_mac = "FF:FE:BD:ED:83:E6"

pci_usb_installed = 1

nvram_file = "nvram"

PLEASE HELP ME :(

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PGHammer

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The HyperThreaded Emulated Mac?

Here's the situation:

I have a 512 MB P4 2.6 (HT) running (currently) Windows XP SP1 and Longhorn 4074 in a dual-boot setup.

Fortunately, because PearPC configures similar to Basilisk II (which I have used) I should be able to use the JITC Win32 version tagteamed with PearPeeler.

I have more than enough space on the XP partition to devote to a fake PPC Mac.

I *do* however, apparently need some hard numbers:

1. hex size for 256 MB of RAM (devoted to the fake Mac)

2. Preferred version of OS X (10.2 or 10.3? I have access to both).

This would be a *no Darwin* attempt.

Can PearPC do Ethernet? If so, does it rely on emulation (ala Basilisk II)? I'm connected on the XP side via Ethernet to a router (the router supports DHCP); if either PearPC or PearPeeler supports NAT, then I have no reason to sweat (because OS X supports DHCP).

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i'm getting the same error when i try to install jaguar as i did when i tried to install panther. i know i have an .iso file this time though. it keeps telling me that it can't open my .iso file, does anyone have any ideas, i feel like i'm pretty close to getting it to work if i can only get over this last hurdle!

here's my config file:

# PearPC Configuration File, generated by PearPeeler 0.1

#

ppc_start_resolution = 4

redraw_interval_msec = 200

prom_bootmethod = "select"

prom_env_bootargs = ""

prom_env_machargs = "-s"

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

memory_size = 0x10000000

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1

pci_ide0_master_image = "HD-OS-X-Panther-PREP.img"

pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1

pci_ide0_slave_image = "Mac OSX 10.2 Jaguar Disc 1.iso"

pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

pci_3c90x_installed = 0

pci_3c90x_mac = "FF:FE:BD:ED:83:E6"

pci_usb_installed = 1

nvram_file = "nvram"

PLEASE HELP ME :(

try this

ppc_start_resolution = 4

redraw_interval_msec = 200 make this 35

prom_bootmethod = "auto"

prom_env_bootargs = ""

prom_env_machargs = "-s" leave it at -v

prom_driver_graphic = "video.x"

memory_size = 0x10000000

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1

pci_ide0_master_image = "HD-OS-X-Panther-PREP.img" rename your img to hardrive.img

pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1

pci_ide0_slave_image = "Mac OSX 10.2 Jaguar Disc 1.iso" rename your iso macosxjauar.iso

pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

pci_3c90x_installed = 0

pci_3c90x_mac = "FF:FE:BD:ED:83:E6"

pci_usb_installed = 1

nvram_file = "nvram"

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uniacid

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Can PearPC do Ethernet? If so, does it rely on emulation (ala Basilisk II)? I'm connected on the XP side via Ethernet to a router (the router supports DHCP); if either PearPC or PearPeeler supports NAT, then I have no reason to sweat (because OS X supports DHCP).

currently pearpc doesn't support networking in windows

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PGHammer

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Nertz...getting a "can't open video.x" error in PearPC 0.1.1.

I have an AIW 9700 Pro with a desktop res of 1280x1024x32bpp. All settings are at the defaults.

What would cause this error? I do *not* have WindowBlinds loaded.

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KeR

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Nertz...getting a "can't open video.x" error in PearPC 0.1.1.

I have an AIW 9700 Pro with a desktop res of 1280x1024x32bpp. All settings are at the defaults.

What would cause this error? I do *not* have WindowBlinds loaded.

make sure that the file video.x is in the PearPC directory.

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PGHammer

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make sure that the file video.x is in the PearPC directory.

Prob licked!

I specified the full path to all targets to get them working (PearPC is in, appropriately, C:\FRUIT)

Here's the paste from my config file:

(begin paste)

#

# Resolution

#

# 0: 640x480x8 (indexed)

# 1: 640x480x15

# 2: 640x480x32

# 3: 800x600x8 (indexed)

# 4: 800x600x15

# 5: 800x600x32

# 6: 1024x768x8 (indexed)

# 7: 1024x768x15

# 8: 1024x768x32

#

# The indexed modes are unsupported.

#

# default: 4

ppc_start_resolution = 5

#

# Redraw interval (in ms)

# must be between 1 and 999

#

# If you set this higher, PearPC will spend less time doing redraws (and so run faster)

# but feel less responsive. You should adjust this to your computer speed and personal

# preference.

#

redraw_interval_msec = 40

#

# Loader

#

#

# Boot method

# this can be

# 1. "auto", prom will boot the first bootable partition found (default)

# 2. "select", prom will show you a list of bootable partitions

# 3. "force", prom will load and boot the local file prom_loadfile

#

prom_bootmethod = "auto"

# Example of how to use "force":

#prom_bootmethod = "force"

#prom_loadfile = "test/yaboot"

#prom_env_bootpath = "disk"

#

# bootargs: don't change unless you know what you are doing

# machargs: set to "-v" to get a verbose startup

#

#prom_env_bootargs = ""

prom_env_machargs = "-v"

#

# This is needed if you want to boot Mac OS X

#

prom_driver_graphic = "c:\fruit\video.x"

# This will adjust the position of the initial page table (don't change)

#page_table_pa = 104857600

#

# CPU Config

#

# Processor Version Register

# Defaults to 0x00088302

# Only change if you know want you are doing

#

#cpu_pvr = 0x10000000

#

# Main memory (default 128 MiB)

# must be >= 64 MiB

#

#memory_size=0x8000000

#

# IO Devices

#

#

# PCI IDE Config

#

# Drive type will be set according to file extension:

# .img: Harddisk (filesize must be multiple of 516096)

# .iso: CD-Rom

# Or you can override this by specifying the type via

# pci_ide0_master_type / pci_ide0_slave_type

pci_ide0_master_installed = 1

pci_ide0_master_image = "c:\fruit\pearpc-6gib.img"

#pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"

pci_ide0_slave_installed = 1

#pci_ide0_slave_image = "c:\test.iso"

pci_ide0_slave_image = "c:\fruit\macosx.iso"

#pci_ide0_slave_image = "/dev/cdrom"

pci_ide0_slave_type = "cdrom"

#

# Network (unavailable on windows)

#

pci_3c90x_installed = 0

pci_3c90x_mac = "de:ad:ca:fe:12:34"

#

# USB

#

pci_usb_installed = 1

#

# NVRAM

#

nvram_file = "nvram"

(end paste)

Question: How long does it take to detect the hard drive image? (I would think it might take a while; however, nobody has reported the typical locate time.)

The install is running in the BG as I type this, and I'm letting it run overnight.

Here goes.....

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PGHammer

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The bear *dances*....

Panther (OS X 10.3) is installing as I type this...in the background...on my Genuine Intel XP-driven *no WAY is this a Mac*!

I cranked up the PearPC window to 1024x768x32bpp (my desktop is 1280x1024x32bpp) and lowered the screen redraw to a mere 45 ms.

The biggest single question is: because PearPC has no Ethernet, is there *any* way to copy real Mac apps (other than via creating ISO images) to my handy-dandy not-a-Mac?

I'm thinking more of simple applets, browsers, that sort of thing.

Also, is the networking being worked on?

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phalanx126

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ok, i've made progress, i finally got to the screen with the grey apple, but then i get this message:

You are now in single-user mode while booted from a CD-ROM.

Since the root disk is read-only, some commands may not work as

they normally do. In particular, commands that try to create

files in /tmp will probably fail. One way to avoid this problem

is to mount a seperate hard disk or floppy on /tmp using the

mount command. For example, 'sbin/mount /dev/fd0a /tmp' puts

/tmp on the internal floppy disk.

sh-2.05a#

in other words, how do i mount the hard drive?

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Geforce_Fx

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ok, i've made progress, i finally got to the screen with the grey apple, but then i get this message:

You are now in single-user mode while booted from a CD-ROM.

Since the root disk is read-only, some commands may not work as

they normally do. In particular, commands that try to create

files in /tmp will probably fail. One way to avoid this problem

is to mount a seperate hard disk or floppy on /tmp using the

mount command. For example, 'sbin/mount /dev/fd0a /tmp' puts

/tmp on the internal floppy disk.

sh-2.05a#

in other words, how do i mount the hard drive?

sh-2.05a# Pdisk

then

sh-2.05a# type "e"

when it prompts for the device? type "/DEV/Disk0"

r - Will remap the drives.....

w - Will Write the new partition table......

For example: My Map partition was in part #1 and my Apple partition was in part #3 . Part #2 had Free space. So what i did was as follows:

sh-2.05a# r

Partition Number? I selected was "3"

New Partition ? Then "2"

sh-2.05a# w --- writes my changes and then i restared pearpc and it worked.

REM: remove "-s" from prom_env_machargs = "-s" in order to continue

hope this helps a little if not im sorry :blush:

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jedavis1

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Has anyone found a way to get anything OFF the virtual mac? On windows that is... I have been trying to find a way to mount the HD image in windows with out any luck, and I haven't found a way to make an image that is recognized by Pearpc and windows both.

Anybody have any bright ideas? Thanks,

Jon

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Zetter

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anyone seen the new version 0.1.2 ??

who tried it so far..

i'm guessing it not faster than before. just a few bug fix

Changes:

- PROM: fixed: seek > 2^32 not impl.

- JITC: fixed mmio with overlapping pages

  (should fix "mac os crashes when idle")

- numpad keys mapped

- (Win32) fixed: "'" key wasn't mapped

- (Win32) fixed: F8 key wasn't mapped

- (Win32) fixed: crash when unknown keys in F11 mode pressed

- 3c90x: added MII support, some bugs fixed

http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.p...lease_id=239725

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PGHammer

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Wow. This will be nice if it's real :)

It's real, alright.

Lots of screenies (including mine on page 75 of this thread).

That's the *real OS X* (Panther/OS X 10.3, no less) running in *Windows XP*.

(still shaking head, getting used to the weirdity of *OS X for Windows*)

:alien:

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Other gaming news includes the following: God of War Laufey announced, introducing Kratos' wife as the new protagonist Ori studio's No Rest for the Wicked 1.0 release and console plans announced Microsoft launches Godot Sample to streamline Xbox PC game development on the engine Great deals to check Every week, we cover many deals on different hardware and software. The following discounts are still available, so check them out. You might find something you want or need. Samsung 990 PRO SSD 2TB NVMe - $389.99 | 39% off Sonos Sub 4 - Wireless Subwoofer - $759 | 16% off Logitech MX Creative Console - $159.99 | 20% off This link will take you to other issues of the Microsoft Weekly series. You can also support Neowin by registering for a free member account or subscribing for extra member benefits, along with an ad-free tier option.
    • Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 3 is getting a simultaneous release across PC and all consoles

      By Jose_49 · Posted

      Let's goooooooo! I've been loving the entries so far! I still have to finish Rebirth (things have been busy!)! Excited for this next installment.

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