Man arrested for not tipping at NY restaurant

[Krux]

yeah, hes being paid to run around after your lazy ass and the least you can do is tip him!

I don't even know were lazy comes in, even if you wanted to get your food yourself they wouldn't let you. Besides ITS THERE JOB TO GET YOUR FOOD. I don't tipped when I do peoples booking or taxes I get my flat rate I don't expect any extra money on the side for doing a good job.

The lazy comment just bugs the hell out of me even tho you were not talking to me I go out offten with my girl friend because we don't feel like making anything after working all day, and we shouldn't have to we are tired we have put our time in. So just because we get something to eat we are lazy?? wtf is that?

[Erich]

I don't think a tip should be left unless they do a superb job. I have a few family members who have been waitress' and they would call me cheap for this statement. But this is their fault. The wage isn't great, but I know of people who work a lot harder and get paid less than waiters and waitresses. If they wanted to make good money, they probably shouldn't be working as a lower level peon in the food industry in the first place.

[Krux]

I have heard once that another reason a person tips is because someone has to clean up after them. More of a "Thanks for picking up our trash payment", Although I agree that it has gotten out of hand.

yah the bus boys are supposed to get a portion of the tip that you leave on the table but 90% of the time the waiters don't give them jack. Only reason I know this is because my brother works at Ihop and was a bus boy before he was turned into a waiter. He would always bitch that none of the waiters gave him anything, maybe like 2 or 3 bucks if he was lucky. Once he became a waiter he always tipped the bus boy because he knew how much it sucked to not get his fair share.

Also when we go in there for pancakes or whatever he doesn't even expect a tip from us and he doesn't generally need it to live off of either he usally uses it for beer on the weekends or car parts. But maybe expenses aren't as high in cali? I don't know.

[VGVL]

I believe in leaving excellent tips only if you get excellent service.

What I have noticed is that in most respectable restaurants in the US, on average, service is not satisfactory and usually it does not meet my standards. I think this is caused by the mandatory tips. They can give you crap service and you are still forced to tip them.

I've noticed that in most respectable restaurants in Mexico city, on average, service is much better and very often the waiters/waitresses do justify very good tips. I guess it's because harder work is implied when they have to justify their tips, they are not just "given".

When I go to a restaurant I expect beyond excellent, pretty much flawless service. I don't expect excuses of why my food was late, why they missed something, or having to wait for the waiter/waitress to come by because my drink ran out, or them asking if I want another drink when they see that my glass is god damn 3/4th's full. They are supposed to notice these things, it's their job not mine. I pay for that.

Quite honestly I don't care if they're living off the tips or whatever, I have my own problems, they can take care of theirs.

[Chad]

How about some of you go back and read the article, THEN post a reply. So far we've had one post on topic, the rest were going by the title of the story

[Viserov]

Exactly. The article said that they didn't pay the entire bill, AS WELL AS not leaving a tip.

[Alpha2004]

i think its stupid that places like Soprano's Italian and American Grill have this mandatory tip system...it discourages the waitors from doing a "superb job", in some cases.

i got really pissed once when i went to applebees, ordered a chicken fajita, and was served a beef fajita. I told the waitor I wanted a chicken fajita, he said: "chicken, beef, same stuff man (in a jamaican accent)"

Quote: Exactly. The article said that they didn't pay the entire bill, AS WELL AS not leaving a tip.

I thought the article said that he didnt pay the tip, which was included as part of the bill? re-read it.

[Viserov]

''They shorted the check and didn't leave any money at all for the waitress,'' he said.

There you go.

[Post-It Note]

after his party of nine failed to leave an 18 percent tip,

but he did not produce the $13.73 tip to the $77.43 cost of his meal.

And now, I ask you, what do they mean by "shorted the bill", :p.

[Post-It Note]

A simple dictionary search brings up a definition of (Inadequate; insufficient).

The gratuity was added to the bill. By not paying the gratuity, the bill was 'shorted'. It doesn't mean they didn't pay the bill. It just means they didn't pay part of the bill: the gratuity part.

[shrike]

in all fairness, unless the waiter is hurling abuse or actually ruining your night then i think its quite rude to not tip. the guy is going out of his way to carry a plate to your table and ensure your night goes well and if that isnt worth a measly 10% then shame on you.

but that's his job!

australia = not a tipping country, except in gambling

[Alpha2004]

A simple dictionary search brings up a definition of (Inadequate; insufficient).

The gratuity was added to the bill. By not paying the gratuity, the bill was 'shorted'. It doesn't mean they didn't pay the bill. It just means they didn't pay part of the bill: the gratuity part.

i knew i wasnt going mad. :)

[Erich]

Yeah I don't find it fair. My job is 10X worse than a waitresses job as far as dealing with people goes. And you know what, after tips etc. it's very possible that waitress is almost making as much money as me. And that ****es me off. My job requires a University degree, and then I have to do this type of work and get shat on. So unless they make me happier in a way that I feel like giving them some monies, I'm not gonna tip. Period.

They have a wage, so do I. I don't get rewarded for doing a great job once in awhile. I have to be consistently good if I wanna try to avoid being laid off. And if I'm exceptional I might get promoted. That's life.

[cesardrgn]

All i can say is WTF!!!

[JaredVolkl]

It's ok, Mr. Pink doesn't believe in tipping either.

[mthibadeau]

Yeah I don't find it fair. My job is 10X worse than a waitresses job as far as dealing with people goes. And you know what, after tips etc. it's very possible that waitress is almost making as much money as me. And that ****es me off. My job requires a University degree, and then I have to do this type of work and get shat on. So unless they make me happier in a way that I feel like giving them some monies, I'm not gonna tip. Period.

They have a wage, so do I. I don't get rewarded for doing a great job once in awhile. I have to be consistently good if I wanna try to avoid being laid off. And if I'm exceptional I might get promoted. That's life.

So, your base pay is $3 an hour? I think not. Obviously you have never worked in a restaurant.

[cork1958]

I guess it would've made a difference if he knew about the gratuity tip before hand or not. If I didn't know about it beforehand, I wouldn't have paid it either.

[Erich]

So, your base pay is $3 an hour? I think not. Obviously you have never worked in a restaurant.

Where I live minimum wage is triple that and it's illegal to pay someone less. And everyone I know was actually making more than minimum wage...

[Xantos]

i find this just bs on the fact he got arrested for not paying the gratuity part of the bill but to leave no tip at all is assinine i woulda at least left like $2.00 :D

[xplatinum]

in all fairness, unless the waiter is hurling abuse or actually ruining your night then i think its quite rude to not tip. the guy is going out of his way to carry a plate to your table and ensure your night goes well and if that isnt worth a measly 10% then shame on you.

what are you talking about ?

How are they going out of their way to carry a plate to my table ? That's his god damn job and he's getting paid for that. If carrying a plate from the kitchen to a table is too hard then he should have thought about that before applying for the job.

It's not like tip is his pay. Its a little extra to ensure that waiters/waitresses do a good job no matter what. The restaurant's image is in the waiters' hand... so its pretty obvious that tip exists. Money rules the world, so they ARE going to go out of their way to offer an excellent service... but if the service is crappy, they don't deserve the tip.

I already paid for my food and they do get paid anyway. They gotta work for that little extra. Its only fair.

[DrCheese]

I find this kinda silly that the guy can be arrested for it and possibly put in Prison for a year over it.

The owner of the store says "This is not a vendetta. This is just about standing up for my waitresses.''

If he really wants to stand up for the waitresses then he should pay them better in the first place, No doubt he will complain and say he needs to put his prices up to cover it, But that is effectivly what he is doing at the moment, congrats on coming up with a sneaky way of earning a lot of cash whist keeping prices low :/

Also, Why is it that its generally felt that waiters "need" to be tipped. People in other carrers/Jobs do a hella lot more work than waiters, but no one tips them

Edited September 12, 2004 by cheesegoduk

[golazo]

^^^

exactly

[Brandon]

Also, Why is it that its generally felt that waiters "need" to be tipped. People in other carrers/Jobs do a hella lot more work than waiters, but no one tips them

i know, i dont leave that much of a tip unless the girl is really nice, or the guy is just cool

[yert*]

You cannot be arrested for not tipping, it's optional.

[DrCheese]

yeah but the sneaky git put it on the bill as a "waiters service" or something like that, So it offically counts has a paid service. However if the customer was unaware of this, there is no way in hell he should be forced to pay