Which is the best browser engine ever made?  

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  1. 1. Which is the best browser engine ever made?

    • IE
      399
    • Opera
      504
    • Gecko (mozilla)
      1446
    • KHTML
      58


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Windows is the best operating system for home users, hands down, because of application compatibility.

I think you need to start understanding that it depends on what someone expects from an OS and what he/she is going to do with it.

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It's so compatible is a valid argument.

yes, it is perfectly valid. sites are compatible with msie, not the other way around. it says nothing about how good msie is at all.

Windows is the best operating system for home users, hands down, because of application compatibility.

uh, no, there's more to quality than compatibility. but applications are compatible with windows, not the other way around.

Along the same lines, we can argue that MSIE is good because the overwhelming majority of sites are compatible with it.

no. that's got nothing to do with msie's quality.

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IE, Firefox, Opera and Sadari are all good to me but if I wanted to pick a favourite, I would choose IE as for me it is the simplest to use, especially with the IE7 Beta 2 Preview though Opera 9 TP 2 comes a close second. I haven't tried the new Firefox 2 Codename "Bon Echo" but will do soon enough.

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yes, it is perfectly valid. sites are compatible with msie, not the other way around. it says nothing about how good msie is at all.

uh, no, there's more to quality than compatibility. but applications are compatible with windows, not the other way around.

no. that's got nothing to do with msie's quality.

Usefulness is a measure of quality.

Usefulness is a measure of quality.

A Mac is extremely useful with only 1/10th of the application library that Windows has. Compatibility has nothing to do with quality. In this case, it's only a measure of the quality of the individual applications.

Honestly, the same goes for websites. Quality of the browser isn't reliant on compatibility with crap. I'd much rather have a browser that works perfectly well on quality sites and web applications (Writely, Basecamp, Flickr, etc.) I'm sure those devs would be a lot happier if they could just use one iteration of XMLHttpRequest and a standard stylesheet/XHTML combo.

This post asks for the best browser *engine*, so looking at the standards support, I'd have to say Gecko is the best overall, although Opera 9 will pull ahead a bit. I don't have much information for KHTML and WebKit, but from personal experience and some initial testing, I put Gecko and Presto (Opera) quite a bit ahead of them. Trident (Internet Explorer) is dead last among popular browsers, and Internet Explorer 7 isn't much better.

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Talking browser engine purely, I would go with Opera due to it having the best standards compliance than all of the others. Though I haven't tried the KHTML one (only linux right and my Linux box isn't live yet); Gecko is getting overrated IMO. My girlfriend's PC hates it, but dunno if that's Firefox or the engine's fault.

KHTML, best standards support, fast and until recently, the only browser engine that passed ACID2 (opera's newer nightlies join it).

First there was Safari (WebKit), then Opera (Presto), although iCab and KHTML are close, they don't pass it (they ignore a certain CSS rule that should be applied, makes the window show scroll-bars)

Gecko is getting there, and Trident are slowly moving towards it.

First there was Safari (WebKit), then Opera (Presto), although iCab and KHTML are close, they don't pass it (they ignore a certain CSS rule that should be applied, makes the window show scroll-bars)

Gecko is getting there, and Trident are slowly moving towards it.

Indeed Gecko is getting there..

http://flickr.com/photos/dbaron/126886608/

i really get sick of people bitching about web standards like article posted on frontpage then disspeard strandards are rules that are there to follow if you want they really in theory dont mean a damn hell of alot most popular websites arn't valid but who cares they work ffs!

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most popular websites arn't valid but who cares they work ffs!

Yes, because they have to work around bugs in browsers interpretations of the standards.

End users don't care about them (hence the number of posts saying standards are stupid), but they all seem to like the fact the pages they go to work in their browser of choice, the only reason that happens is because the people who write the site have to make changes to their code until they work properly (if all browsers were standards based, any page would look the same in any browser).

And if you really hate the standards that much, stay with IE6 or less, as with IE7 MS has gotten serious at supporting the W3C specs (hence why IE7 is alot better than IE6, still lags behind the other browsers though)

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