"Lost" TV Show - Currently Season 2 (US aired)

[kjordan2001]

Don't you see? the whole series is about science vs faith...

The black smoke has been ignored for some reason and I doubt it has anything to do with Dharma, I guess something happened as we know there is a huge EM generating device on the island.

In the last episode John and Eko represent faith once more, even though John lost it for a while, I think there's some hidden motive by the writers to demonstrate us how folish some faith can be yet as we remember John and Eko are the only 2 to face the black smoke .

Is the black smoke a creation of Dharma? or is the reason why Dharma left? hmmmm

Perhaps the black smoke (cerberus) is an experiment that got out of control and perhaps is the incident?

[costanza007]

don't get hung up on the psychology part of it... remember dharma is studying six projects:

Meteorology

Psychology

Parapsychology

Zoolgy

Electromagnitism

Utopian Society

[meamog]

regarding next week's preview... nothing else in the show has been in black and white, right? do you all think that may be significant?

i mean, there was a lot of black vs. white symbolism in the first season, but's i don't remember any this season.

[Pc_Madness]

Sorry to spoil for anyone, but isn't this episode supposed to be when the timer finally reaches zero? (I could have sworn it was said in one of the PodCasts)

[kjordan2001]

Sorry to spoil for anyone, but isn't this episode supposed to be when the timer finally reaches zero? (I could have sworn it was said in one of the PodCasts)

Well, it's about

what happened to Michael when he was gone and Locke struggling with pressing the button or not. At least according to TV.com's summary. Also seems like Eko doesn't want to build the church anymore. Whether or not Locke in the end decides to let the timer run out, we'll just have to see ;)

[ThePitt]

EDIT: Perhaps the show itself is a psychological experiment.

it is by definition. Since the second season we knows that.

How long will people keep pushing the button? Why will they do it?

Until it reach zero. When it goes to zero, the ppl with their psyche almost destroyed by repetition and by the drugs (remember Desmond), the ppl just die. Because they cant affront the impact that the world would be destroyed, and because the 'mirrors' show. They just collapse.

And why they do it?. Because what I say above, they have the believe that the world would be destroyed and is safe because the (damn) button.

[lil_psc]

took em almost 20eps to reveal the button was a fake...

wow i mean just wow.................. NOT

[Blackice]

took em almost 20eps to reveal the button was a fake...

wow i mean just wow.................. NOT

OK, its lame when you look at it like that. But, if you can connect with the characters, and imagine yourself in that position (I'm aware that its a little far-fetched), then 20 episodes is quite satisfactory. The science vs faith thing is there, of course: but its a theme, a technique. It is not the meaning. Themes only go to show the meaning even further. That meaning, I believe, is the psychological effects of the island, and the impact of being away from civilisation. Things like the black smoke where only symbolic, since they represented the losties, used to the city and urban life and commodities, being put back where mankind came from - and finding that there are immense dangers they have never contemplated. It was meant for the people who could not adapt to primitive, early-mankind life. Sort of coercing them into adapting quickly, seeing if they could. That's why Locke and Ecko could stand up to it: they had adapted to that sort of life. That may have been why the others wanted to take Ecko and Locke: they believed they would adapt too quickly, and would effect the validity of the experiment.

The science vs faith thing just goes to further that point: the people who have adapted and learned to survive, like Locke and Ecko, are men of faith. Those who try to cling on to civilisation, commodities and that, like Jack, are the people of science. Then you have the people in between, who have to go one way or the other (like Charlie, who chose faith). I think the emergence of commodities like the hatch and that, and the guns (which are symbolic for not learning to adapt to survival - trusting your life to a simplified, and risk-free way of killing someone. Not going about it like early mankind, with spears, and placing value in the individual human being's strengths) are symbolic for this.

Anyway, that's what I think about this. Notice that the others met jack and that before (season 1?) without guns or that. They were civilised, as they are men of science, but tried to seem primitive, to force the need to adapt to the law of Nature - survival by your own means to your own ends.

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[ThePitt]

took em almost 20eps to reveal the button was a fake...

No. It took 20 episodes to confirm (again) that was a fake ;)

Peewee210, thanks!

[Hurmoth]

took em almost 20eps to reveal the button was a fake...

That's not completely true. Remember that's just what the Orientation video says. Has anyone stopped to think that the Orientation video could be just part of the plan, not true at all? We have yet to see what happens if they don't push the button, so I could jump to the conclusion that the button is fake just yet.

[chrisgeleven]

Some big answers to questions we have been having are going to be revealed by the end of the season.

SPOILER ALERT! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12776785/site/newsweek/

So, do you wanna know what we know about the finale? Skip this paragraph if you don't—though it's not as if we could solve the whole "Lost" riddle. But here are some tidbits. "We are going to tell you why the plane crashed," says Cuse. "We're going to explain what happens if you don't push the button. And we're going to resolve the Michael-and-Walt story." (Michael's son, Walt, was kidnapped by "the others" in last year's season finale and has been missing ever since.) Desmond, the enigmatic guy originally discovered in the hatch, also reappears, and he's not in good shape, though he gives the survivors fresh hope for escape. Just as last year's finale expanded our scope of the island's boundaries, this year's will expand its relevance. "There is something else that is reverberating on our planet that is directly linked to this island," says Monaghan. "You begin to understand that what is happening there has a significant butterfly effect in the rest of the world." One more thing: we think another character is going to die, or come close. It's just a hypothesis, based on the fact that when we asked Michelle Rodriguez (Ana Lucia) to guess which character would die after Libby, she said: "I can't do that, 'cause I know." Then she clammed up.

[kjordan2001]

That's not completely true. Remember that's just what the Orientation video says. Has anyone stopped to think that the Orientation video could be just part of the plan, not true at all? We have yet to see what happens if they don't push the button, so I could jump to the conclusion that the button is fake just yet.

Well, we know some type of generator powers up when it is almost at zero. What happens at true zero, we don't know yet (assuming Henry was lying).

[Hurmoth]

Well, we know some type of generator powers up when it is almost at zero. What happens at true zero, we don't know yet (assuming Henry was lying).

I'm almost 100% sure that Henry was lying, just to get at Locke. But I could be wrong though :/

[brandon.mat]

Wow, k, the only reason michael killed them is not because he is an "other" it's probably because the others caught him, showed him his son, and told them that he must get rid of the other people and release henry if he wants them back. As quoted in next episode by sajid, "A man would do anything for his son".

[Pc_Madness]

I'm almost 100% sure that Henry was lying, just to get at Locke. But I could be wrong though :/

Hes not lying. The video in the Pearl confirmed what they're doing is a lie, its just an experiment to see how long they'll do it for and what not. The real question is.. is the Pearl another experiment or is it a kind of test of faith.. "if he does this, then John should join us" kinda stuff.

[Hurmoth]

Hes not lying. The video in the Pearl confirmed what they're doing is a lie, its just an experiment to see how long they'll do it for and what not.

But who's to say that the video isn't part of the experiment too, just another lie? We won't know until after we really see what happens after the timer goes past zero.

[howb21]

Whatever happened to the "monsters" that pulled locke by the leg in season 1 and the smoke that ecko saw that was supposedly dangerous and the attack them if they leave the beach?

[kjordan2001]

Whatever happened to the "monsters" that pulled locke by the leg in season 1 and the smoke that ecko saw that was supposedly dangerous and the attack them if they leave the beach?

We haven't seen them since.

[Raven Ryan]

My friend says that there's Season III. Singapore broadcasts Lost 2 the same day as America. At the same timeslot, it airs Supernanny on another channel. Here is why Supernanny is better than Lost 2. :)

[kjordan2001]

My friend says that there's Season III. Singapore broadcasts Lost 2 the same day as America. At the same timeslot, it airs Supernanny on another channel. Here is why Supernanny is better than Lost 2. :)

Season 3 will come in the fall. Season 2 is ending soon. Meh, I guess Supernanny is better if you have a short attention span and can't follow a continuing storyline.

[oldaccount1]

We haven't seen them since.

Wasn't the black cloud that Eko and Charlie saw that same type of friend from Island Security?

[kjordan2001]

Wasn't the black cloud that Eko and Charlie saw that same type of friend from Island Security?

Not sure what you mean by friend or Island Security? It's possible it's a part of a security system, but we've yet to be acknowledged on what it is or what it does.

[Pc_Madness]

But who's to say that the video isn't part of the experiment too, just another lie? We won't know until after we really see what happens after the timer goes past zero.

So why are they trying to take Loche, the number one button pusher away from the hatch and towards this new hatch?

Not sure what you mean by friend or Island Security? It's possible it's a part of a security system, but we've yet to be acknowledged on what it is or what it does.

Its been refered to as the Security System since Season 1? The French Chick mentioned that in the.. second last episode?

[kjordan2001]

Its been refered to as the Security System since Season 1? The French Chick mentioned that in the.. second last episode?

Well, not like the French chick is an overly reliable source given her state of mind. Until we hear it from one of The Others, then we're still not sure of its purpose. Like why did it try only to grab only Locke (supposedly, according to Henry, one of the "good" people) and the Pilot (unknown as to whether he's "good" or "bad"...must have been bad though the way he was left) so far? Or is it just so slow that it can't keep up with a running human? Note: Just because we heard the noises before and close to Losties several times, it doesn't mean they were about to be grabbed. And why has it only looked Eko in the face? Why has it also caused the engine to blow up and Arzt to blow up? What its intentions are, we have no idea. Is it only to punish bad people? What was it going to do with Locke then? Was it going to save Locke? Maybe it sorts out people. But then we have no idea why it doesn't take more people and that The Others have to resort to taking them themselves.