FireFox or Opera ?

[vcv]

They could.. they could.. they could...

... but they don't. Opera manages to keep it's footprint down to a minimum so it can use the same rendering engine on different platforms, including phones.

The ability for it to be flexible like this is very important for this. It is NOT easy to implement.

You seem to think that just because you don't use it, it's not all that important, or impressive.

[imtoomuch]

And the maturity of this thread is now at.......13% :sleep:

$20 USD if you're a student. Now that also means it's an unlimited cross-platform license too.

Ahh, but ease of use has everything to do with not only an Operating System but also a web browser. The aesthetics and ergonomic desings of a web browser are important as it will almost surely be used daily. But layout of the browsers is something that was discussed a lot of pages ago :sleep:

I don't think anyone's an idiot (bar one or two earlier posts in this thread). People should use the browser that makes them happy, but not rubbish every other browser on planet earth to try justify their own choice. I swear, some people are not trying to convince other people but only convince themselves.

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1. As if you always act mature.

2. $40 for people who aren't students which is most people in this world. My point stands. "I swear, some people are not trying to convince other people but only convince themselves."

I'll leave it at that.

[Journeyman]

i did try opera, the interface is just too messy for me.

i use firefox for everything except for pages that look best with ie.

[ambiance]

Battle of the flaming browser lovers in here...

I don't know the internals of Firefox or Opera, but I do know I like Firefox a lot better than IE. I also like the simplistic beauty of Firefox whereas Opera looks like too much is going on. One thing I am sure of is that everyone should stop using IE.

To each his own

[trigger_my_passion]

i did try opera, the interface is just too messy for me.

i use firefox for everything except for pages that look best with ie.

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You can set it up to look simple like:

[drgrudge]

Firefox, in my opinion.

Opera is a nagware ass far as i am concerned.

[worbd]

Firefox is always the one that displays things the way I want them to.

Probably because you primarily code in Firefox, and only then check in other browsers... :no:

Oh, and also, Opera does not have extensive Javascript support (at least I haven't seen it) that is needed for some pages.

Opera has 100% support for JavaScript. The problem isn't that Opera can't do it. The problem is that sites send Opera outdated code from before Opera had proper DOM support, and that breaks Opera now that it does have it. If they sent Opera whatever they are sending to everyone else, it would work fine.

i did try opera, the interface is just too messy for me.

I also like the simplistic beauty of Firefox whereas Opera looks like too much is going on.

Did you people try Opera 8.0?

Opera is a nagware ass far as i am concerned.

It's adware, not nagware.

[DannyGlass]

Defently Firefox.

[worbd]

I don't see where I would ever use that, but any other browser could easily implement it. Adium does it for chat windows.

Uh, comparing a program's ability to transform pages it generates itself, and a program which does that to any web page is rather silly.

Apple could implement it in Safari. It's all a matter of what they want to do.

They could, but that is not to say that it's easy. Remember, this is about reformatting any page to any screen size!

MSR seems interesting, but it's not that new of an idea. SSR (which they mentioned) has done this for a while (or at least the better SSR browsers). They just took the idea and modified it a bit.

LOL. Opera invented SSR! :D

The SSR arconym came from Opera's name for its new small screen feature.

Opera's ERA (Extensible Rendering Architecture) is a step beyond SSR (Small Screen Rendering) and MSR (Medium Screen Rendering), and basically merges everything into one thing where you can use any size instead of being limited to only certain predefined sizes.

[qwin]

So many peeps hate each other becuase of the two browsers

Personally i prefer Firefox :blush:

:p :rofl:

[red.]

So many peeps hate each other becuase of the two browsers

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indeed. <yoda> begun the browser wars have. </yoda>

[worbd]

indeed. <yoda> begun the browser wars have. </yoda>

Opera and Mozilla are cooperating on several projects, actually, like an extension to HTML, and a new plug-in architecture... Seems to me that the "wars" are more about bickering between fanboys like myself and lots of others in this thread :laugh:

[Lare2]

Is this thread ever going to die :angry: ooops, it seems like I'm not helping by posting this :laugh:

[adcmarti]

Firefox :D

[haveblue128]

:yes: Firefox has won me over after using Opera for the better part of a year. Opera has an overly-busy GUI and does not offer the same security features that Firefox does in its present format. While Opera 8.0 has some useful add-ins, what a mess to look at.

Firefox is the clear winner. Simplicy on the face that is driven by finesse

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I really hate to say this but it seems dumb people prefer Firefox because they don't want to 'mess around' with some configuration settings in Opera. Fine with me.

What security features does FF have over Opera, haveblue? :pinch:

[worbd]

Opera has an overly-busy GUI and does not offer the same security features that Firefox does in its present format.  While Opera 8.0 has some useful add-ins, what a mess to look at.

What "security features"?

How is Opera "a mess to look at"?

You are one of the people giving Firefox a bad name, with your badly formulated and vague attacks against Opera. It is like you haven't really tried Opera, but it's COOL to love Firefox and hate Opera now.

[fekimoki]

respect each other, already lots of killing in this world, stop the war, any kind of.

i sad everytime read fighting posts on neowin.

nature is watching us, tsunami is the prove, my country is mourning...

[betasp]

i sad everytime read fighting posts on neowin.

nature is watching us, tsunami is the prove, my country is mourning...

Offtopic...

I am truly sad for your area of the world. Ravaged now by a natural disaster... after years of conflict after conflict, poor economic conditions and instability in government (generally speaking) The reality is almost all of the people on Neowin are not poor and come from coutries where REAL poverty no longer exists. 80% of the people in the food kitchen lines (free meal lines) in New York City have VCRs at home. That's right, not only do the have homes, but the have VCRs.

Your perspective is unique and honest, just foreign to most everyone here. Maybe over time people will begin to have an understanding that the things that seem so important to them are not what is important in life.

[dragon2611]

i like firefox more probably becuase its free and i peronally like some of the extensions i can get for it.

although i have used opera before 7.somit and it was a good browser its just i prefered to use firefox over anything ive tryed so far.

but just becuase i like firefox doesnt mean that other people have to use it.. they are free to choose what they wish to run on their pcs/macs or whatever they use to browse.

[Kilroy-was-here]

Probably because you primarily code in Firefox, and only then check in other browsers... :no:

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Well, I check in all browsers, and I have to put in hacks for IE and Opera. I admit that I primarily use Firefox, though. However, if I was to put together a web page in terms of code structure and CSS without ever looking at it at a browser, I'm sure it would look more like the intended in Firefox. I am not attacking Opera now, Opera is a fine browser, but there are still problems, like with IE.

P.S. your site doesn't validate as XHTML 1.0.  Might want to check it out ;)

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I know, working on the backend atm, thanks for telling me anyway :)

I didn't say it was better, I said it was more advanced. There is definately a difference.

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Well, true. However I think I value "better" more than "advanced".

It's just like Sykil said, it is my opinion whether or not something is bloat. It is how I feel about it. This is personal for everyone. How you think about it may not be how I think about it. That does not mean either of us is wrong.

You are one of the people giving Firefox a bad name, with your badly formulated and vague attacks against Opera. It is like you haven't really tried Opera, but it's COOL to love Firefox and hate Opera now.

Absolutely not true. I have used Opera for several months, and it is a nice browser. However, I just like Firefox better. I've stated my reasons why I find Firefox better than Opera. I have used both, so I know what I am talking about. Yes, I also have Opera 8 beta on my computer. It still has problems displaying certain websites (like my own).

There are things I like better about Opera, like the Wand (it's nice to have to click just one button and then it loads the form immediately). Firefox has something like the Wand, which is auto-complete. I like the Wand better, though.

Overall, both are good, but I prefer Firefox. Perhaps if Opera improves in the future, I will use it again. Perhaps.

[drgrudge]

It's adware, not nagware.

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I regard the ad as naging thing which is also GIF supported.

If i get a better browser for free then why should i settle for a nagware or register for it?

[vcv]

It's just like Sykil said, it is my opinion whether or not something is bloat. It is how I feel about it. This is personal for everyone. How you think about it may not be how I think about it. That does not mean either of us is wrong.

Ok.. but when you have an opinion.. you should at least have SOMETHING to back it up. Anything. Not just how you feel. If you only FEEL that it is bloated and nothing else.. then please understand that your feeling is illogical. We do have illogical feelings, so no one should hold it against you. But at least admit it. If it's more than just a feeling, then why not explain why you think it's bloated? I gave a comparison that shows the real story, fact for fact. You told me you get a 'feeling'.

[Malisk]

What do you think guys, i need prefromance comments, i know that opera costs money and ff is free but i need some comments on the prefromance ( ex: mem usage, speed ) ... many thanks in advance :)

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Opera is faster going back/forward in history.

Otherwise, regarding loading speed, I dunno... Firefox seems a bit slower, but I think that's because Opera starts displaying the page faster without all loaded. On the other hand, exactly that setting is tweakable in Firefox so you can set it to 0 millisecs if you want in about:config. I think it's something like .25 secs by default since many feel it's annoying to have page reflows while trying to read a page.

[vcv]

I regard the ad as naging thing which is also GIF supported.

If i get a better browser for free then why should i settle for a nagware or register for it?

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You don't have to. No one is saying you do.

I sure hope you aren't implying people that are paying for opera are "settling" for it. I paid because I want to support the Opera team for the awesome work they have done, and because I think Opera gives me the superior browsing experience.. something I can and have backed up with facts.