FireFox or Opera ?

[powerofdragon]

ok thanks

[42n81]

I have used both Opera and FF, (plus IE), for a quite a while and apart from the obvious speed, features, and usability differences favouring Opera, there is one thing FF does better than Opera, it has the weather plug-in.

Also there is one thing IE and FF do better than Opera, and that is handle saved web pages in a more manageable form, that is the .html file linked to the _files folder. Opera saves web-pages more reliably than either other browser, but in just a loose collection of files. I don't know why that is, but it's messier than IE and FF.

In every other way Opera creams FF.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Worbd, saying that extensions aren't worth your time is just ignorant as the FF people saying Opera's interface is bloated. Extensions have huge potential and if used right, they're awesome. I guess you wanted to say it's a big huss to download them, configure & keep them updated with new releases.

As for the english thing, I meant the stupid leet/sms-speek, there's a difference between that and simply 'bad' english from non-native speakers. The one's disturbing while the other's annoying. Is it that hard to press the shift key here and there without letting out letters?

[drgrudge]

Did anyone understand this post? A translation would be helpful.

U cant understand what i post.... and why the **** u all talk about proper english?

Translation:bang ur head at a barbed fence and then u could understand. F**k u. :devil: Stop spamming now.Next time onwards, i will ignore ur crap ****ing post.

Pointing a old man:"Look son, that poor man cant **** properly!!!!"

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To worbd:

u opera fans don thave any answers to:

* open source of firefox.

* more extention available

And democracy rulezzzz! I like and use whatever i like.

[Rix]

U just fell zomming is usefull because opera IMO, has less browsing area and we need to scroll more.

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Urm, less browsing area? I dont no how to get rid of the 'File Edit..lalal' Toolbar in firefox, but in opera its just CTRL + F11. Also, quality sucks on the FF SS because i had to lower the file size. Opera renders the pages MUCH faster then Firefox for me, and opera loads pretty quick too, firefox just takes forever.

Edit:\\ To the guy above, open source means nothing to the average user, heck, i wouldnt want to have to compile opera to get it the way i want it. First of all i'd have no clue what i had to do, and it would take forevvvvvvvvvverr.

Yeah, more extensions available, proberbly because firefox has a system that allows extensions? I really dont feel i need extensions in opera, i have quite a few in firefox as there the only things i can do to it to make me actually enjoy using it, for 5 minutes..

[vcv]

Well golly, you all have good points.  Now does anyone actually think that they'll "win" this argument?  Is it honestly going to improve your life (hey, I won an argument about the best browser on neowin.net, come be my friend)?

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Of course not. I keep posting in response to those who post misinformation. I don't think people shold be able to post FUD and get away with it. So I try to make sure the record is set straight. Not trying to win anyone over to Opera at all.. just trying to make the differences clear and truthful.

I'm happy when people are using anything but IE. But I think they should understand the differences between Firefox and Opera and not fall trap to the crap some firefox fans spread about Opera, and sometimes the other way around as well.

[tapo]

Here's my opinion of Firefox and Opera:

They are two completely different browsers, trying to do different things. Opera is trying to be an all-encompassing internet suite. You have your browser, email, and chat, and options galore. It is the browser for a power user, you can customize it exactly the way you want.

Firefox is, and was designed to be, the antisuite. You have basic browsing that's very simple to configure, with a few helpful tools as well. If you want anything else, you download an extension and add on gradually if you find a need to.

There is no "better browser", it just depends on your preference.

[Ultra Frosty]

I really hate it when people say something like this.

It is obvious he hasn't even bothered to give opera a fair try b4 saying all those.

He probably even didnt read my post.

1.If u give operav8 400mb(or decent size) of caching..it wud load pages much faster than  any browser on da wrld.

2.Those r more features?

Opera's d'load manager is much more advanced than opera's.

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1. Any browser with cachine enabled will be faster than loading the page again.

2. Yep. You proved that Opera sucks if it 0wns itself.

[Pallab]

1.Even without caching opera is the fastest i.e.while loading a page for the first time.

It is super first once it is cached.

2.That was obviously a slip od finger :p

I noticed that l8r.But was too late to be able to edit it.

[wiebeest]

I would also say Firefox is ten times better than Opera. Opera is not good at being compatible, while Firefox is. Also, Firefox definitely has a lighter, better-looking interface. Not to mention you can customize it quite a bit using CSS.

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Opera is only payware if you dislike the adds, but they are quite light.

I find Opera better costomisable. It is very easy to skin (just put skin in folder, even on-the-fly). Add cosumisable menu's, interface (true drag-n-drop a la OS X).

Love the mouse-gestures (heck I got so used to it that i had to have myself those for windows itself, fortuneately I found the: even free of charge

stroke-it).

Integrated e-mail, which = cool

Pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing, but most of all stable & great sessions saving.

One day my g/f accedentally disabled the main power and when I turned it back on my Opera sessions were recovered including the mail I was typing: invaluable!

[Kilroy-was-here]

Ok.. but when you have an opinion.. you should at least have SOMETHING to back it up.  Anything.  Not just how you feel.  If you only FEEL that it is bloated and nothing else.. then please understand that your feeling is illogical.  We do have illogical feelings, so no one should hold it against you.  But at least admit it.  If it's more than just a feeling, then why not explain why you think it's bloated?  I gave a comparison that shows the real story, fact for fact.  You told me you get a 'feeling'.

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Well.. bloat is an adjective that describes a program. You can't just throw out that "that is a bloated program" without backing it up.

source: dictionary.reference.com

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An example: the voice features that read out a piece of text. It's funny to try out once, but isn't really useful since it doesn't sound natural and takes too much time IMO.

Another example: the built-in email client, M2. I don't need an email client in my web browser. I use Gmail or Hotmail and they work fine for me.

Third example: IRC support. I use mIRC for chatting through IRC, so why would I want extra functionality for that in my web browser?

Do you understand what I am talking about now? :)

[worbd]

An example: the voice features that read out a piece of text. It's funny to try out once, but isn't really useful since it doesn't sound natural and takes too much time IMO.

The voice libs are not distributed with Opera by default (they are downloaded on demand). And voice has great potential for people with disabilities.

Another example: the built-in email client, M2. I don't need an email client in my web browser. I use Gmail or Hotmail and they work fine for me.

Third example: IRC support. I use mIRC for chatting through IRC, so why would I want extra functionality for that in my web browser?

Do you understand what I am talking about now? :)

...and yet Opera is a smaller download than Firefox. And mail/chat can easily be disabled in 7.54, while they are hidden/disabled by default in 8.0.

No, I don't understand what you are talking about. Opera has all these features, yet it's a far smaller download than Firefox. How can you claim that Opera, especially Opera 8, is "bloated"?

You can't.

[ZZOOzzoo]

I think people are confusing the term 'bloated' with 'feature-rich'.

Opera is in every way LIGHTER, LIGHTER, and LIGHTER than Firefox.

You are not forced to use all the features included in Opera, you can choose certain features and hide everything else, and it will still be lighter than bare-bone Firefox.

I mean, why the hell is Firefox taking up resources so much more than Maxthon, Opera and any other browsers with more features??

[JorgeIvan]

:wacko: ColdFox

[Chode]

U cant understand what i post.... and why the **** u all talk about proper english?

Translation:bang ur head at a barbed fence and then u could understand. F**k u. :devil: Stop spamming now.Next time onwards, i will ignore ur crap ****ing post.

Pointing a old man:"Look son, that poor man cant **** properly!!!!"

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I know the language barrier is difficult, but perhaps if you calmed down and stopped typing to be rude you would be more easy to understand. In case you can't tell, I still can't understand you.

[red.]

I think people are confusing the term 'bloated' with 'feature-rich'.

Opera is in every way LIGHTER, LIGHTER, and LIGHTER than Firefox.

You are not forced to use all the features included in Opera, you can choose certain features and hide everything else, and it will still be lighter than bare-bone Firefox.

I mean, why the hell is Firefox taking up resources so much more than Maxthon, Opera and any other browsers with more features??

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yeah i've noticed you've been saying that all along but these guys aren't going to listen. most of these firefox fans think having features is bloat even though you don't have to use it and that even with those features it's still lighter than firefox. maybe you guys have the time to download extensions to get features which are already included in opera but i don't have the time.

Q. if opera is 'bloat' for having too many features what is software that comes with a small amount of features and requires you to download extensions to make it feature rich?

A. firefox fans would put a spin on it and say 'customisable'.

[Kilroy-was-here]

The voice libs are not distributed with Opera by default (they are downloaded on demand). And voice has great potential for people with disabilities.

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Then why do I see a "voice" icon in my toolbar in Opera 8?

I think people are confusing the term 'bloated' with 'feature-rich'.

Opera is in every way LIGHTER, LIGHTER, and LIGHTER than Firefox.

You are not forced to use all the features included in Opera, you can choose certain features and hide everything else, and it will still be lighter than bare-bone Firefox.

I mean, why the hell is Firefox taking up resources so much more than Maxthon, Opera and any other browsers with more features??

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Sorry, I am not confused by the terms. I know that Firefox is a larger download. I'm just argueing Opera could be an even smaller download if it didn't incorporate all the extra features I don't need. Firefox does this by using the extension system. I know Firefox is a larger download and I can't really understand why. I'm not bothered by the size of download packages, actually, since it only matters several seconds to me anyway.

I personally feel Opera is not lighter than Firefox. There is nothing you can do about it, I have tried to explain why I think so, but you seem to think my opinion is irrelevant.

Also, the toolbars in Opera are too large for my preference. I know that I can make them smaller, but it will require me to mess around with settings to choose smaller icons. I don't want that, I want it out of the box. And then there are the ads in Opera that take up quite some space. I'm sorry, but I don't like those.

Here's a list about what I like about Firefox and Opera:

Firefox

• Better standards compliance
  
• Better Javascript DOM rendering
  
• Smaller toolbars
  
• Right-click on a bookmark and choose "open as background tab"
  
• Web developer toolbar - this one is AWESOME!
  

Opera

• Mouse gestures out of the box - very intuitive
  
• Fast previous and next page buttons, they load instantly
  
• Wand feature - click a button and the form field submits
  

Actually, the web developer toolbar is one of the primary reasons I use Firefox. However, I find the browser itself to be better than Opera as well.

I might once switch back to Opera if it improves a lot and if it becomes free. However, I doubt it will ever become free, so I doubt I will ever switch back to Opera.

[cork1958]

Wow! Up to 42 pages on this subject. Give it a rest. Use whatever you want to use.

[worbd]

Then why do I see a "voice" icon in my toolbar in Opera 8?

Ah, so you haven't even bothered to try it properly! I get it.

Sorry, I am not confused by the terms. I know that Firefox is a larger download. I'm just argueing Opera could be an even smaller download if it didn't incorporate all the extra features I don't need. Firefox does this by using the extension system. I know Firefox is a larger download and I can't really understand why. I'm not bothered by the size of download packages, actually, since it only matters several seconds to me anyway.

So Opera is bloated, why?

I personally feel Opera is not lighter than Firefox. There is nothing you can do about it, I have tried to explain why I think so, but you seem to think my opinion is irrelevant.

How does your opinion matter, when the facts speak for themselves?

Also, the toolbars in Opera are too large for my preference. I know that I can make them smaller, but it will require me to mess around with settings to choose smaller icons. I don't want that, I want it out of the box.

Have you even tried Opera 8?

Here's a list about what I like about Firefox and Opera:

Firefox

• Better standards compliance
  
• Better Javascript DOM rendering
  
• Smaller toolbars
  
• Right-click on a bookmark and choose "open as background tab"
  
• Web developer toolbar - this one is AWESOME!
  

- Standards compliance: Tie.

- JS/DOM: Tie.

- Toolbars: Tie, if you ignore the ads in Opera.

- Open in background: Yeah, Firefox "stole" that from Opera :)

- Web dev toolbar: There's one for Opera too (and they claim that it kicks Firefox's butt).

I might once switch back to Opera if it improves a lot

Improves, how? It's already smaller, faster, and a smoother experience than Firefox...

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

Then why do I see a "voice" icon in my toolbar in Opera 8?

Sorry, I am not confused by the terms. I know that Firefox is a larger download. I'm just argueing Opera could be an even smaller download if it didn't incorporate all the extra features I don't need. Firefox does this by using the extension system. I know Firefox is a larger download and I can't really understand why. I'm not bothered by the size of download packages, actually, since it only matters several seconds to me anyway.

I personally feel Opera is not lighter than Firefox. There is nothing you can do about it, I have tried to explain why I think so, but you seem to think my opinion is irrelevant.

Also, the toolbars in Opera are too large for my preference. I know that I can make them smaller, but it will require me to mess around with settings to choose smaller icons. I don't want that, I want it out of the box. And then there are the ads in Opera that take up quite some space. I'm sorry, but I don't like those.

Here's a list about what I like about Firefox and Opera:

Firefox

• Better standards compliance
  
• Better Javascript DOM rendering
  
• Smaller toolbars
  
• Right-click on a bookmark and choose "open as background tab"
  
• Web developer toolbar - this one is AWESOME!
  

Opera

• Mouse gestures out of the box - very intuitive
  
• Fast previous and next page buttons, they load instantly
  
• Wand feature - click a button and the form field submits
  

Actually, the web developer toolbar is one of the primary reasons I use Firefox. However, I find the browser itself to be better than Opera as well.

I might once switch back to Opera if it improves a lot and if it becomes free. However, I doubt it will ever become free, so I doubt I will ever switch back to Opera.

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Are you aware that the dll file which is used for mail, rss and irc is only 300ish kB in size?

You can right click on an opera bookmark and have it open in the background, you can even middle click and open it in the background to (asuming you have opera set up that way).

There is also a Web-developers toolbar toolbar for opera too.

So you are saying that this 1600x1200

gives you more area than this 1600x1200

You see the voice icon but you have to go into the preferences to enable it and when you do it asks you to download the additional files.

[Elliott]

So you are saying that this 1600x1200

<a href='http://www.unabatedshagie.com/pics/firefox_small.png' target='_blank'>http://www.unabatedshagie.com/pics/firefox_small.png</a>

gives you more area than this 1600x1200

<a href='http://www.unabatedshagie.com/pics/opera_small.png' target='_blank'>http://www.unabatedshagie.com/pics/opera_small.png</a>

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You didn't take the favorites bar off of Firefox, and you didn't switch the icon size to small icons. You also have no menu bar in Opera. You've really put that thing through a lot of customization, while you didn't bother to touch one customization feature of Firefox. Real nice comparison there. :rolleyes:

worbd, you can't claim that Firefox and Opera have a tie in standards compliancy. You may be able to say that about JavaScript and DOM support (and I'm skeptical about that), but you definitely can't get away with the standards compliancy statement.

[drgrudge]

ok, guys tell me:

Why should one pay and register for a software when we get other browsers for free?

Even if opera is good, why should we buy?

We have Firefox, maxton, internet explorer...

[Rix]

ok, guys tell me:

Why should one pay and register for a software when we get other browsers for free?

Even if opera is good, why should we buy?

We have Firefox, maxton, internet explorer...

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Why should we pay for Windows when theres other operating systems that are free?

Its all personal Preference. And you dont HAVE to pay for opera, just live with the ad, thats all.

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

You didn't take the favorites bar off of Firefox, and you didn't switch the icon size to small icons. You also have no menu bar in Opera. You've really put that thing through a lot of customization, while you didn't bother to touch one customization feature of Firefox. Real nice comparison there. :rolleyes:

worbd, you can't claim that Firefox and Opera have a tie in standards compliancy. You may be able to say that about JavaScript and DOM support (and I'm skeptical about that), but you definitely can't get away with the standards compliancy statement.

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Sorry so pressing CTRL+F11 is a lot of customisation, that is the default way opera opens when you start if for the first time (minus the ad's). just for you I have changed the screenshot

What I was trying to show was that both browsers offer roughly the same screen area by default when first started. Opera has slightly more space with the ad's off and slightly less with them on.

[GloryFieldzi]

Jagged: does he have a menu bar for firefox in the ss? Besides, he was trying to prove opera didnt have smaller view area, which is true. Customizations? I dont think so, he left them as they came. Like you said, "out of the box"

Drgrudge you are a moron, for proof read your post couple pages before where you just say firefox is better at every aspect just because. Shut your mouse please, you dont have to pay and you dont have to register. It is perfectly functional without paying, only downside is you get an ad box, big deal when I can get so much more out the browser.