FireFox or Opera ?

[Elliott]

If Opera, the world's fastest browser, seemed slow to you then that is likely the fault of your antivirus or firewall software and not Opera itself (there are many many many topics about this on the myopera forums and these are the culprits about 75% of the time.) I should also mention that the 8.0 beta has many interface (mainly uncluttering and reorganizing) changes.

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Lots of people claim their browser is the fastest. Doesn't make it true. From my tests, I've found Safari to be the fastest, and I was comparing a Pentium 4 2.8GHz HT running Opera 8 beta 1 on Windows XP to a G4 1.33GHz running Safari 1.3 on Mac OS X 10.3.

[gigapixels Veteran]

If Opera, the world's fastest browser, seemed slow to you then that is likely the fault of your antivirus or firewall software and not Opera itself (there are many many many topics about this on the myopera forums and these are the culprits about 75% of the time.) I should also mention that the 8.0 beta has many interface (mainly uncluttering and reorganizing) changes.

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LOL get off your high horse :rolleyes: I simply stated my experiences of Opera vs. Firefox. Sorry if that offended you and you find it hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that some people think Firefox is slower than Opera, but I don't try to attack or denounce their word.

Firefox has been faster for ME. Maybe not for YOU, but for ME.

[shichiroji4]

Firefox is definitely the fastest for me. Opera is only fast when opening simple html web pages, try opening a site with lots of scripts and flashes and the rendering slows down sometimes to even slower than IE.

[megamanXplosion]

Opera is definately the fastest browser (at least on the Windows platform, I don't have a mac to play with.) Opera and Firefox are nearly the same speed when it comes to downloading pages (after you've tweaked Firefox to allow multiple connections, which shouldn't even be neccessary); however, Opera has much better memory caching abilities than Firefox which allows instantaneous back/forward navigation which Firefox doesn't have. The JavaScript performance is also better in Opera (this might not be true in the future though because the Mozilla developers have been working hard in bugzilla to squash some of the javascript performance problems.) That's the only real speed differences between the two when it comes to navigating websites. Of course, I'm comparing a stock version of Opera with a tweaked Firefox (having it set to use multiple connections.) There isn't any noticeable difference in the rendering engine, it's down to millisecond-differences. Opera is customized in a way that should be faster than Firefox's default configuration, if it's not then there's likely to be some kind of external interference (like an improperly configured antivirus or firewall application.)

But, this explanation of why-that-is-true is just a waste of time because when 8.0 goes final it will be distributed with a free web accelerator which compresses image files and stuff before sending them to you so you only need to download half as much to view a page, and Opera can definitively call itself the fastest browser without having to draw out these long explanations for why that is true :whistle:

It should also be noted that "fastest browser on Earth" might not even apply to networking, it could be talking about productivity. The built-in features like sessions, paste & go (so simple but so useful!), spell checking, voice browsing, advanced multi-document interface which allows side-by-side comparison of pages, ability to take notes and [quickly] insert them where you want, the ability to copy plain-text URLs (which are not clickable) and then "try as URL," instantaneous back/forward navigation, etc. etc. are all great features which increase productivity over other browsers. Of course, you could probably get all of those features after downloading 10+ extensions for Firefox, but I don't think that would make them look better in the productivity category (spending hours to customize a browser isn't productive.)

[Rapier]

But, this explanation of why-that-is-true is just a waste of time because when 8.0 goes final it will be distributed with a free web accelerator which compresses image files and stuff before sending them to you so you only need to download half as much to view a page, and Opera can definitively call itself the fastest browser without having to draw out these long explanations for why that is true :whistle:

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Where did u get that ? :blink:

[supernova_00]

There is a buge meta-tracking bug on bugzilla that is tracking the performance increasing bugs for Mozilla and Firefox. I think its about 75 bugs. Firefox is already fast as Opera so no point in hugely increasing it right now when its not slow, so the devs spend time fixing actual bugs. Remember Opera has been around for like 7 or 8 years and has had loads of time to work out speed bumps to increase performance. Just wait until those bugs are fixed and watch how fast firefox is. Don't want to wait, then help them out and work on some patches :)

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Where did u get that ?  :blink:

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Well.. Opera 8 will be using a tecnology called "SlipStream", to make it load pages even faster than before. But the speed is mostly for users on a slow connection. The speed enhancement for broadband will be small compared.

[Rapier]

Its a shame i didnt know about dat :|

Was there any announcement or was it lurking in the documentation somewhere ?

Edit: Found it...its so old that i forgot about it

But data can only by Compressed by the ISP themselves and then sent to the end user

If the ISP aint supported then it kinda useless aint it... or am i missing something

[x-byte]

Its a shame i didnt know about dat :|

Was there any announcement or was it lurking in the documentation somewhere ?

Edit: Found it...its so old that i forgot about it

But data can only by Compressed by the ISP themselves and then sent to the end user

If the ISP aint supported then it kinda useless aint it... or am i missing something

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Yes that's true.. there are already many ISPs using this.. and more and more will most likely do so in the future. It would benefit not only PC marked but also the handheld with mobiles etc.

[megamanXplosion]

Remember Opera has been around for like 7 or 8 years and has had loads of time to work out speed bumps to increase performance.

And Firefox has been in development for many years as well because it's a spinoff from Mozilla which was a spinoff from Netscape. Firefox isn't new, by any stretch of the imagination, so time isn't really an excuse.

Don't want to wait, then help them out and work on some patches

I'd rather pay $40 and spend my time making money.

Well.. Opera 8 will be using a tecnology called "SlipStream", to make it load pages even faster than before. But the speed is mostly for users on a slow connection. The speed enhancement for broadband will be small compared.

Bingo.

Yes that's true.. there are already many ISPs using this.. and more and more will most likely do so in the future. It would benefit not only PC marked but also the handheld with mobiles etc.

The Slipstream website says it will "accelerate information delivery over any network." Slipstream is basically a proxy which is contacted whenever you want to download a file and it will download the file for you, compress it, then send it to you. It isn't home-2-server compression so it isn't dependant on the ISP.

[ShaneSparky_YYZ]

I like Opera over Firefox ;)

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The Slipstream website says it will "accelerate information delivery over any network." Slipstream is basically a proxy which is contacted whenever you want to download a file and it will download the file for you, compress it, then send it to you. It isn't home-2-server compression so it isn't dependant on the ISP.

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Thanks for clearing that up :)

[Lare2]

Me wonders how many more threads like this will be created this year

[Travesty]

Me wonders how many more threads like this will be created this year

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I'm sure a lot :yes: anyway it's best to try out all of them and decide from there what works best for you ;)

[Chode]

1.0 is final. 8.0 is only in beta 1. If we don't want to run a beta, we don't have to. Stop touting 8.0 beta 1 and compare 7.54 to 1.0.

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Your precious firefox was in the beta stage for god remembers how long, and now you're having a whinge about a version of Opera been beta?

Can't blame a person for trying, but pull the other leg :sleep:

[Elliott]

Your precious firefox was in the beta stage for god remembers how long, and now you're having a whinge about a version of Opera been beta?

Can't blame a person for trying, but pull the other leg  :sleep:

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Ah, but those were Firefox's development stages. It's first steps. Opera had been out for a quite a while and was 6-7 versions in. Anyway, I'm not going to compare Firefox 1.1 PR to Opera 7.54, or tell you to use version 1.1. I also didn't push that hard into getting people to use Firefox's pre-1.0 releases. I knew they were beta, and I knew lots of people didn't like betas.

[Pallab]

can you give me da link to da page where silpstream feature is mentioned.

That sounds so gr8.

I guess it wud b something like onspeed.Onspeed bossted my browsing by 500%

And i got this kill ff thing frm someone in this forum.

[Rix]

Ah, but those were Firefox's development stages. It's first steps. Opera had been out for a quite a while and was 6-7 versions in. Anyway, I'm not going to compare Firefox 1.1 PR to Opera 7.54, or tell you to use version 1.1. I also didn't push that hard into getting people to use Firefox's pre-1.0 releases. I knew they were beta, and I knew lots of people didn't like betas.

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First steps? Well, mozilla didnt really have to do much to the Mozilla code to turn it into firefox, remove mail/chat, tweak it around a little, the engines the same.

[Rapier]

The link to the slipstream Article

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2004/11/04/

[Pallab]

thnx a lot for da link.

Wow..i am waiting for this.

Kudos to opera

[Rix]

Isnt that just like the aol thing? My friend uses it, makes images look pretty ****ty :\

[vcv]

There is a buge meta-tracking bug on bugzilla that is tracking the performance increasing bugs for Mozilla and Firefox. I think its about 75 bugs. Firefox is already fast as Opera so no point in hugely increasing it right now when its not slow, so the devs spend time fixing actual bugs. Remember Opera has been around for like 7 or 8 years and has had loads of time to work out speed bumps to increase performance. Just wait until those bugs are fixed and watch how fast firefox is. Don't want to wait, then help them out and work on some patches :)

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Uh.. Opera has gone through a few rewrites with both the rendering engine and the core UI. When you do that, it's almost like starting from scratch. Performance issues have to be readdressed. So don't try to feed me that BS. And the Gecko rendering engine has been around for a LONG time anyways.

Ah, but those were Firefox's development stages. It's first steps. Opera had been out for a quite a while and was 6-7 versions in. Anyway, I'm not going to compare Firefox 1.1 PR to Opera 7.54, or tell you to use version 1.1. I also didn't push that hard into getting people to use Firefox's pre-1.0 releases. I knew they were beta, and I knew lots of people didn't like betas.

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When Opera has the beta on their front-page for download and many many people recommending it.. I think it's pretty safe to use and compare.

[supernova_00]

Well then download any of the recent trunk builds of Firefox and you'll notice a huge speed increase over 1.0

[drgrudge]

One more thing to ponder upon....

10 million downloads of firefox in a very short period of time.

Can opera boast of such milestones?

Have these 10 mn ppl made the right choice?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

One more thing to ponder upon....

10 million downloads of firefox in a very short period of time.

Can opera boast of such milestones?

Have? these 10 mn ppl made the right choice?

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I wonder how many of those actually know to use FF to it's potential, or have downloaded because of the features? Let's face it, Firefox is cool and is 'in' and Explorer sucks goat balls nowdays (Excluding the totally 'ignorant' people who will use whatever works, even if it works awfully > IE). Personally, I only know only 2 people who KNOW Opera, others never heard of it and are most only computer illiterates. That's a big plus for the FF userbase, even if it comes with the price of having users like this smart specimen:

Opera sucks donkey dick

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