FireFox or Opera ?

[lav-chan]

But if they're annoying, they do hinder your ability to use Opera. I don't think radio stations with commercials are free, since commercials are extremely annoying on radio. I don't think Opera is free either. Any diehard Opera user will probably spit out Opera is free by using the explanation you just said, but it really isn't. Stop fooling yourselves.

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No, not any 'diehard Opera user'. More like any rational person who isn't fishing for tenuous excuses to criticise something. The software is fully functional without purchasing it, THEREFORE IT IS FREE. Honestly, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. The definition of free is 'costing nothing'. You can not dance around that, it's a very simple definition. You pay nothing to use Opera, so it's free, at least in the sense that normal every-day people call something free. ('Free as in beer'. I know there's also 'free as in speech', but i get the very distinct impression that the people bitching about banner ads in Opera (a) aren't talking about that at all and (b) don't even know what that term means.)

I mean, come on. Saying that radio isn't free to listen to because you don't like the commercials has got to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard. It's not even trying to be an arguement. You don't pay for it, so, by normal, lay-man standards, it's free. Jesus Christ.

[gigapixels Veteran]

No, not any 'diehard Opera user'. More like any rational person who isn't fishing for tenuous excuses to criticise something. The software is fully functional without purchasing it, THEREFORE IT IS FREE. Honestly, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. The definition of free is 'costing nothing'. You can not dance around that, it's a very simple definition. You pay nothing to use Opera, so it's free, at least in the sense that normal every-day people call something free. ('Free as in beer'. I know there's also 'free as in speech', but i get the very distinct impression that the people bitching about banner ads in Opera (a) aren't talking about that at all and (b) don't even know what that term means.)

I mean, come on. Saying that radio isn't free to listen to because you don't like the commercials has got to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard. It's not even trying to be an arguement. You don't pay for it, so, by normal, lay-man standards, it's free. Jesus Christ.

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It costs screen space :p

Only kidding, really :)

[vcv]

In my opinion (and I really don't want to start a flame war; I'm just using this as a comparison), OS X is much better than Windows, and the learning curve a lot less. I've seen people do things with their Macs that they could only dream of doing on their PCs as easily. Same goes for Firefox. The ease of use and safety in browsing makes people really want to browse more. Firefox's ease of use caters to the newbies, but it has its powerful backend of XUL and Gecko to give it a punch that delivers an awesome experience for both advanced users and newbies alike.

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I find Opera a lot easier to use. It has tons of little features and shortcuts that backup the "Fastest browser on earth" claim. Adding extentions to firefix STILL can't provide the same feeling for me. Firefox's XUL feels slow to me. It feels like there is always a slight delay. XUL may be a "powerful" backend, but i's overkill for GUI. Opera's UI engine (Quick or something, i cant remember the name) is faster and better suited for GUI IMO.

I laugh in the face of your ignorance HA HA HA HA HA

I'm no newbie, buddy, and I love Firefox. Is it because it's less "advanced"? NO. I find Firefox to be a lot faster and better for my uses than Opera is. Opera just seems to be very mediocre to me.

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It was a general statement, and obviously does not apply to everyone. I will give firefox this, it has some extensions for advanced users that Opera doesn't offer, that make it very useful. You may be one of those. I have no use for those particular extensions, and thus have no reason to use Firefox.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Firefox is not for everyone. Opera is not for everyone. It depends on your needs and your experience.

BUT, it is not fair to dismiss another browser with an uninformed opinion, or because you had a bad experience with it a year ago. This goes for both browsers, but I tend to see it more with Opera. It saddens me that people spread lies like that. I don't care if a person truly tries Opera and doesn't like it. But they should give it a fair chance, because it is a great browser no matter what anyone says. I try every firefox version and don't put it down because of something I was told by someone else.

Edited January 17, 2005 by vcv

[AZKABAZ]

worbd don't be such a trolling fanboy I was trying to give an honest opinion of my experiences with both without being a fan boy for anything. Don't start flame wars and don't diss someone who is just trying to answer the original posters question based on their user experiences.

Edited January 17, 2005 by AZKABAZ

[worbd]

worbd don't be such a trolling fanboy I was trying to give an honest opinion of my experiences with both without being a fan boy for anything. Don't start flame wars and don't diss someone who is just trying to answer the original posters question based on their user experiences.

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Look, I pointed out the fact that your comments didn't make sense at all. If you customize Opera to not feel cluttered, how can it still feel cluttered? Obviously, you did nothing of the sorts, but are just trying to find something, anything, to attack Opera with.

The same goes for your comment about the trojan.

I'm not the one making uninformed comments about programs I have no knowledge about.

This is exactly the problem we've been discussing in this thread: Firefox fans jumping in and making uninformed comments like yours.

Edited January 17, 2005 by worbd

[AZKABAZ]

Oh look i don't have any preference for a browser im not a fan boy for anything, whatever works and works well im happy with. Why would i want to attack Opera? I don't give a stuff about a "which browser is better war". Your paranoid. I will repeat myself to make sure you have it through your head... I am not a fan of any browser.

[worbd]

Apparently, my comments are still not getting through to you.

I replied to your post because you made uninformed and incorrect statements about Opera. You clearly let your preference be known: Firefox. And then you tried to come up with reasons for that. Rather than things like "I like extensions", you start throwing around typical anti-Opera FUD which can be heard from many Firefox fans.

[AZKABAZ]

I made comments from my user experience. Im not techy i don't want to be techy. Im just saying from my experiences with the two. Yes "clearly" i prefer Firefox because i've had a better experience with it. Doesn't make me a fan boy. I don't go preaching around like say uh.. you! For gods sake will you just understand I am not a fan of any browser!

[worbd]

Again, I pointed out why your comments did not make sense. Rather than getting all defensive about it, accept that you jumped the gun and made comments you had no basis for making, and avoid doing the same in the future.

[AZKABAZ]

No. I didn't jump the gun and I did have basis of my comment which was my experience of using the two.

[Michael_C]

But to say that Firefox's default interface is better is ludicrious.

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Its all down to personal preference, I feel Firefox's interface is better.

Firefox caters to the newbies, but that's not always a good thing.  Opera is a more advanced product, not a more confusing product.  There is a big difference.  Some of the best things in the world are the hardest to learn.

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Personally I feel Opera caters better for newbies because you don't have to worry about themes, extensions etc.

[Pallab]

opera has a lot of extra features out-of-the-box,so naturallu it is gonna b a little more complex,but it is actually as simple as possible.

And i agree with worbd.

U r just victimising opera.

The toolbar is completely flexible.

[AZKABAZ]

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Edited January 17, 2005 by AZKABAZ

[liquilife]

I think the Opera vs. Firefox war is very simply decided for me. Why in the hell would I want to look at a banner in my browser? Why would I want to pay to remove that banner? I find no features in Opera that is above Firefox making it worth to pay money to remove that banner.

The future of Firefox appears to be very prosperous at this time. More so then Opera. This will always be the case as long as Opera insists on a pay for model. The day Opera removes that banner I will give it a very legitimate chance on my computer. I'm sure this goes the same for many many people.

This may have already been brought up but I didnt have time to read through all 63 pages of posts. :)

[worbd]

No. I didn't jump the gun and I did have basis of my comment which was my experience of using the two.

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You claim that Opera is cluttered even if you remove the clutter. You make a nonsensical comment about malware which is obviously not relevant in the least.

You messed up. Accept it, and don't make the same mistake in the future.

[worbd]

I find no features in Opera that is above Firefox making it worth to pay money to remove that banner.

Good for you. Some do appreciate it that Opera is smaller, faster, yet more functional than Firefox, and with lots and lots of useful features built in, enabling you to get started with your work right away instead of having to spend ages finding extensions to get more functionality.

This may have already been brought up but I didnt have time to read through all 63 pages of posts.  :)

Surprise, surprise...

[Help]

Good for you. Some do appreciate it that Opera is smaller, faster, yet more functional than Firefox, and with lots and lots of useful features built in, enabling you to get started with your work right away instead of having to spend ages finding extensions to get more functionality.

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You might want to take a look at this page... (Notice that it's https?) https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extension...ication=firefox (it's BETA, so don't point out all the errors and bugs etc..)

I don't understand how people can spend ages finding the extensions that they want. After all, the people who will be adding extensions will most likely be advanced users (they'd know where to look for it), and even if they aren't they, could always type something along the lines of "Top 10 firefox extentions" in the search bar on the top right. Finding an extension is not any harder then a couple of clicks/ typng a search query. And within minutes, you'd have all the Firefox extensions that you'd ever need.

[dj6ross]

Here's what I got on these.

username: oh7, dj6ross, dj6ross2, dj6ross3 are all me.

I still use Firefox, but I'm going to try out Opera more now.

May not prove anything, so don't flame me.

[worbd]

I don't understand how people can spend ages finding the extensions that they want. After all, the people who will be adding extensions will most likely be advanced users (they'd know where to look for it), and even if they aren't they, could always type something along the lines of "Top 10 firefox extentions" in the search bar on the top right. Finding an extension is not any harder then a couple of clicks/ typng a search query. And within minutes, you'd have all the Firefox extensions that you'd ever need.

All nice in theory, but the fact is that there are lots of extensions, many doing the same thing, many conflicting with each other, not working together, and so on. Everything in Opera is integrated into a complete package. It all fits together. Two extensions mimicking Opera functionality cannot fit together the way Opera does.

[ArKeYa]

I'm trying both browser, Opera8b1 and FF1.0.

OOB my experience with Opera was better, I can get going right from the start: customizations, ini editing, etc. The wand is a blast. With FF most of my time was spent looking for extensions. Why? I'm "picky", same reason I'm trying both Opera and FF and see which is better. I have 5 installed now and particularly like AdBlock coz Opera don't have it. At the moment I'm leaning on Opera because of the powerful customizations I've done with it in just a short time. Another thing, can someone point me to the most stable 1.0+ build? FF1.0 is considerably slower than Opera8b1. I went to the developers' page but the warning put me off.

Edited January 18, 2005 by ArKeYa

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I'm trying both browser, Opera8b1 and FF1.0.

OOB my experience with Opera was better, I can get going right from the start: customizations, ini editing, etc. The wand is a blast. With FF most of my time was spent looking for extensions. Why? I'm "picky", same reason I'm trying both Opera and FF and see which is better. I have 5 installed now and particularly like AdBlock coz Opera don't have it. At the moment I'm leaning on Opera because of the powerful customizations I've done with it in just a short time. Another thing, can someone point me to the most stable 1.0+ build? FF1.0 is considerably slower than Opera8b1. I went to the developers' page but the warning put me off.

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http://snbx.net/php/viewtopic.php?p=4#4 for adblocking. There's lots of Opera tweaks you can do, check out http://nontroppo.org/wiki/Opera7 , it has most of them.

[fpd]

I'm trying both browser, Opera8b1 and FF1.0.

OOB my experience with Opera was better, I can get going right from the start: customizations, ini editing, etc. The wand is a blast. With FF most of my time was spent looking for extensions. Why? I'm "picky", same reason I'm trying both Opera and FF and see which is better. I have 5 installed now and particularly like AdBlock coz Opera don't have it. At the moment I'm leaning on Opera because of the powerful customizations I've done with it in just a short time. Another thing, can someone point me to the most stable 1.0+ build? FF1.0 is considerably slower than Opera8b1. I went to the developers' page but the warning put me off.

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I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b) Gecko/20050114 Firefox/1.0+ and 31 extensions without any problems. The nightly builds cannot install themes so make sure you've got the ones you want before testing the trunk builds.

[ArKeYa]

Neb: I've been to site forums of both Opera and FF. I'm refering to the functionality (GUI,etc) of Adblock. But, I'll look at the links you gave and see if there's an Opera equivalent if not better, plus other tweaks as well.

fpd: I'll get that build then. I've read that 1.0+ are faster than 1.0. I have only 9 extensions for now. I want to thoroughly try each first. Using mouse gestures 1.0 by optimoz, liking the mouse trails option.

Thanks both for the infos.

[x-byte]

I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b) Gecko/20050114 Firefox/1.0+ and 31 extensions without any problems.  The nightly builds cannot install themes so make sure you've got the ones you want before testing the trunk builds.

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****... 31 extensions!! And how long did it take to install and find them all?

[ZZOOzzoo]

****... 31 extensions!! And how long did it take to install and find them all?

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I bet his browser is slow and bloated(I mean heavy) like hell. :pinch: