FireFox or Opera ?

[LonghornMadBoy]

OPERA :D It is a complex browser with , mail client and much more.

www.opera.com :)

[Help]

Another thing, can someone point me to the most stable 1.0+ build? FF1.0 is considerably slower than Opera8b1. I went to the developers' page but the warning put me off.

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Try optimized builds of FF 1.0+

http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/

[d_ralphie]

even 'optimized' builds are slower than opera. oh well.

btw, why use opera when you can get firefox for free? good point. because we all know there's no point in buying photoshop when you can get the gimp for free! rotflmao

[fpd]

QUOTE([X]-bYtE @ Jan 19 2005, 14:44)

****... 31 extensions!! And how long did it take to install and find them all?

I bet his browser is slow and bloated(I mean heavy) like hell.  :pinch:

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No it isn't! Firefox loads in five seconds despite all the extensions, everything is snappy and page load times are indistinguishable from opera. And before you say anything, I have Opera 8 Beta installed. Firefox has been open for 5 days and peak memory usage is 28 MB. And I have 8 windows with numerous tabs in each open.

I've come across the extensions over a long period of time - i've been using firefox since Phoenix 0.2 . I also know Opera is a great browser, seeing as I have both installed.

[stezo2k]

firefox all the way... might load a bit slower, but its a better browser and its FREE

[fobban]

Atm I'm using Firefox, tho I'm a Opera fan.

Opera has a few features that i miss in Firefox, one is the buggy tab-stuff in Firefox.

Firefox renders pages a lot better than Opera and that's the only reason why I'm using Firefox :)

[d_ralphie]

firefox all the way... might load a bit slower, but its a better browser and its FREE

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yeah, that's all that matters! as long as it's free, we don't care if it's not quite as good as the non-free alternatives!

[Xtreme $niper]

I'm just wondering whats the deal with the uncustomizable toolbars at the top in opera? Sure you can add and remove buttons to it, but you cant even remove the whole bar itself. Thats leaving like 2 inches or more of space that COULD be taken out to make for more internet page viewing space. Thats the sole reason why I deleted Opera after trying it out again yesterday, other than the fact that it felt bloated.

[Seth]

I don't care what people use as long as they use a real browser with standards support (read: not IE). Now let's all hold hands and sing Kum Bye Yah :)

[Rix]

I'm just wondering whats the deal with the uncustomizable toolbars at the top in opera? Sure you can add and remove buttons to it, but you cant even remove the whole bar itself. Thats leaving like 2 inches or more of space that COULD be taken out to make for more internet page viewing space. Thats the sole reason why I deleted Opera after trying it out again yesterday, other than the fact that it felt bloated.

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What bar? Only toolbars i have is the one with my tabs and the one with my address bar, thats it :s.

And 2 inch? Dam, your monitor must be huge or your res is low.

[xxpor]

yeah, that's all that matters! as long as it's free, we don't care if it's not quite as good as the non-free alternatives!

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Exactly. im not going to waste money on a browser that may be a bit better oob, but can get FREE extetions to make it how I want,

[Xtreme $niper]

resolution is 1280x960

its the bar u can completely customize just under the "file, edit, etc" bar.

[Rix]

Oo, the personal bar? You can remove it, just right click >> customize and untick the Personal Bar Box.

[Xtreme $niper]

I wasnt able to do that. Right clicking did nothing. But I was using 7.54 not 8 beta.

[Rix]

That option has been there for a while im sure it has, try the latest, you've no excuse not to use it now :p

[Xtreme $niper]

I'm posting this using Opera 8 beta.

So far its okay, though I've noticed that it loads sites slower than Firefox does. Annnd I dislike the ad at the top corner, (im not about to pay for something im not a huge fan of)

ayee... so far firefox is better.

edit: I also dont like the fact that gmail doesnt work with it.. =S

edit edit: Emptying junk mail folder in hotmail does not work (okay button does nothing)

Edited January 20, 2005 by Xtreme $niper

[Rix]

It dose, just click sign in anyways, it works fine.

[proph3t]

How do you make the tabs close the same as firefox in opera?

As in if you have one tab and close it, it moves to the tab to the right of the previous one?

Also, it seems opera adds a 1px space on the very very right, so I usually "miss" clicking the scrollbar and have to readjust. Is there a way to fix this.

If these two problems were fixed, I think I would stay with opera. Though it would be nice if it didnt look so fugly when using the windows native skin.

[futb0l]

yeah, that's all that matters! as long as it's free, we don't care if it's not quite as good as the non-free alternatives!

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Why would you care for non-free alternatives??

I wouldn't pay for a browser, when there's an already excellent browser like Firefox which fulfils most of my needs.

[Michael_C]

even 'optimized' builds are slower than opera. oh well.

btw, why use opera when you can get firefox for free? good point. because we all know there's no point in buying photoshop when you can get the gimp for free! rotflmao

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Actually I've found non-optimized builds of FF1.0+ are considerably faster than Opera 7.6 and the optimized ones are going to be faster still.

[vcv]

Here's some tips for some of the posters in the last 2 pages...

READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING, SOME OF YOUR POINTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSES AND REFUTED, OR AT LEAST DISCUSSED

- Opera IS free

- Opera IS secure

- Opera IS NOT bloated

- Opera IS fast. It's faster than FF for some (yes, even 1.0+), and not for others.

- "Why would you pay when there is a free alternative?" is a stupid question.

- GMail DOES work in Opera

I guarantee you I can not browse as fast in FF as I can in Opera. I have used both since 0.3 and 3.6 respectively. Firefox may render pages just as fast (and faster for some people), and it may have extensions, but it can not match the integration, shortcuts and small considerations of Opera.

[Chode]

Here's some tips for some of the posters in the last 2 pages...

READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING, SOME OF YOUR POINTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSES AND REFUTED, OR AT LEAST DISCUSSED

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I really think this thread has run long enough. Every point has been covered numerous times.

[vcv]

I really think this thread has run long enough. Every point has been covered numerous times.

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It would probably die the noobs would stop coming in and posting this after the thread is dead:

"Firefox is the best and FREE and open source :yes: "

[Pallab]

gmail works fine with opera (v7.6 onwards) aslong as u identify opera as opera and not as ie or mozilla.

And this thing has been discussed in this thread before.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

People with issues should simply ask in the Opera community forums, you know they are there for a reason. :rolleyes: