Barry Bonds Used Steriods

[Candy Dimsum]

steriods in my mind have nothing to do with his performance seriously, or atleast not that much Imo.

[ChicoCahill]

steriods in my mind have nothing to do with his performance seriously, or atleast not that much Imo.

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yeah it just turned bonds from a really good player into maybe the greatest of all time

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This is news? Duh.

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On top of that, he testified using, what he didn't know was steroids, only in 2003.  Show me how those steroids enhanced his season any.  Show me the terrible season he had when he came off the roids, like Giambi had.  Despite the steroid talk, the buy is clearly a great player, and it seems the roids didn't help him at all.

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But he cheated. Plain and simple. He is tarnished. Whoever breaks Hank Aaron's record will not be Barry Bonds.

[threetonesun]

But he cheated.  Plain and simple.  He is tarnished.  Whoever breaks Hank Aaron's record will not be Barry Bonds.

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He did? What did he do, throw the ball over the fence?

Considering everyone chasing Aaron's record broke at some point (Griffey, McGuire) and Bonds hasn't, and is a good overall hitter and can still run... I doubt he's been very juiced. IMO, we don't pay these guys insane salaries to watch them be mediocre.

[Cube]

lol at his quote

Bonds said that Anderson had so little money that he "lives in his car half the time." Asked by a juror why he didn't buy "a mansion" for his trainer, Bonds answered: "One, I'm black, and I'm keeping my money. And there's not too many rich black people in this world. There's more wealthy Asian people and Caucasian and white. And I ain't giving my money up."

;)

[rogerlb]

what a suprise that is

[Adrenaline2k5]

I don't care if he took the steriods..he was HOF bound before 2000. He'll still make the HOF, which in my book, is where the legend is made.

[Vice]

If you guys actually believe that he "didn't know" he was taking steroids then I have a beautiful piece of land in the everglades to sell you :)

How do you not notice that rapid gain in weight, strength, and an increase of two sizes in your baseball cap...I mean your head isn't supposed to grow any when your 35 years old :)

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because I have never watch him seen him or know who he is. :woot:

[RangerLG]

He did? What did he do, throw the ball over the fence?

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Last time I checked, steroids are a banned substance. Therefore, he did indeed cheat. Much like using a corked bat or doctoring a baseball.

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He did? What did he do, throw the ball over the fence?

Considering everyone chasing Aaron's record broke at some point (Griffey, McGuire) and Bonds hasn't, and is a good overall hitter and can still run... I doubt he's been very juiced. IMO, we don't pay these guys insane salaries to watch them be mediocre.

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You are kidding, right? He used steroids. That's cheating. Plain and simple. Performance enhancing drugs. Doesn't come any more simple than that.

"I doubt he's been very juiced" -- What a comment. You might as well say: "I doubt he cheated all the time" :rolleyes:

[Veedems Veteran]

BOOG: I'm glad someone else see's it the way I do too.

[threetonesun]

You are kidding, right?  He used steroids.  That's cheating.  Plain and simple.  Performance enhancing drugs.  Doesn't come any more simple than that.

"I doubt he's been very juiced" -- What a comment. You might as well say:  "I doubt he cheated all the time"&nbsp:rolleyes:s:

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So you're going to go back a discredit every player who has ever done it? It's pointless. The drug questionably beneficial, and it puts most every hitter in the last 10 years in question.

Like I said, I don't blame them for taking it. The public expects players to keep getting better, otherwise they lose interest in the game. Bonds, juiced or not, is a great hitter. When he breaks Aaron's record, all the better for him. Maybe they will drop an * next to his name. Who cares. There should be one next to Ruth's as well, noting he got pitched softballs compared to todays game. There should be on next to Aaron's name saying he hit his final homers through a barrage of deaths

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So you're going to go back a discredit every player who has ever done it? It's pointless. The drug questionably beneficial, and it puts most every hitter in the last 10 years in question.

Like I said, I don't blame them for taking it. The public expects players to keep getting better, otherwise they lose interest in the game. Bonds, juiced or not, is a great hitter. When he breaks Aaron's record, all the better for him. Maybe they will drop an * next to his name. Who cares. There should be one next to Ruth's as well, noting he got pitched softballs compared to todays game. There should be on next to Aaron's name saying he hit his final homers through a barrage of deaths

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Consider the point missed completely.

Fine. Ruth hit softballs. He didn't cheat.

Fine. Aaron hit final homers through a barrage of deaths (whatever the heck that means). He didn't cheat.

Bonds cheated. That can never be debated.

Others do cheat. I don't debate that, and if they get caught, they should be punished as well, and their statistical integrity questioned.

[threetonesun]

Consider the point missed completely.

Fine.  Ruth hit softballs.  He didn't cheat.

Fine. Aaron hit final homers through a barrage of deaths (whatever the heck that means).  He didn't cheat.

Bonds cheated.  That can never be debated.

Others do cheat.  I don't debate that, and if they get caught, they should be punished as well, and their statistical integrity questioned.

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My point was, different eras, different game. If Bonds was like many hitters of his generation, but wasn't approaching a record, no one would care. Notice how Sosa gets off the hook so much easier, even though statistically he's seen the same change as Bonds. You expect these hitters to be better, and then question their methods when they actually are good.

My point in comparing other hitters was that, if you want to compare them, give them equal credit for the homers they hit. Maybe Ruth would only hit 200 in todays game. Maybe Aaron deserves 1,000 for the pressure he was under. But are you going to say Bonds deserves none of the homeruns he hit? Or half? I still say, in todays game, he deserved every one he hit.

[Art3x]

The fact ppl consider him a HOF'er after he admitted to using steroids, but the greatest hitter of all time is not a HOF'er cause of something he did, when he wasnt even a player is astounding. He should be forever tainted, and all his records should be noted as such.

If you cheat you cheat, period. Any creditability you have is gone.

[ejk158]

yea you guys are right, he has hit a constant amount of homeruns for the past 10 or so years. except, his ab's have gone down for the most part. which means his homeruns per at bat has gone up. lets compare 1993 with 2002. same number of homeruns, 46. HOWEVER his abs 539 in 1993 with 403 in 2002. over a hundred less ab's yet the same amount of homeruns. what does that say there. so when most people are gettin older and weaker, he is getting larger and larger.

[threetonesun]

yea you guys are right, he has hit a constant amount of homeruns for the past 10 or so years. except, his ab's have gone down for the most part.  which means his homeruns per at bat has gone up.  lets compare 1993 with 2002.  same number of homeruns, 46.  HOWEVER his abs  539 in 1993 with 403 in 2002.  over a hundred less ab's yet the same amount of homeruns.  what does that say there.        so when most people are gettin older and weaker,  he is getting larger and larger.

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Find the average HR/AB rate in 1993 and 2002 for all players. He's not alone.

[ejk158]

yea but im sure his ratio is much greater then anyone elses. even look at the year when he hit 45 homeruns and had like 371 ab's. almost a 200 difference from 93

ill make anyone a 20 dollar bet that noone is close to that ratio

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yea but im sure his ratio is much greater then anyone elses.  even look at the year when he hit 45 homeruns and had like 371 ab's.  almost a 200 difference from 93

ill make anyone a 20 dollar bet that noone is close to that ratio

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Bonds: 9098AB 703 HR 12.9 AB/HR

McGwire: 6187AB 583 HR 10.6 AB/HR

[kak]

BOOG: I'm glad someone else see's it the way I do too.

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Me too. I wasn't suprised when he started getting enormous. Seriously, look at pictures of him when he played for the Pirates and look at him now. He looks like he hit a super-growth spurt. Theres no way you go through that kind of physical change and not know something is up.

MLB says PEACE.

[ejk158]

Bonds: 9098AB 703 HR 12.9 AB/HR

McGwire: 6187AB 583 HR 10.6 AB/HR

ok almost had a point there, BUT, im not talking career ratios. im talking season ratios. of one season to another. meaning, comparing ratio of amount of homeruns lets say 30 with ab's lets say 500. to the same player diff year. 30 homruns to 300 ab's. not career.

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Thought this was worth posting again....

The year after barry hit 73 home runs he walked only 27 more times than he did the year before. The next? He walked 29 times less than his 'record' year. This year? 55 times more.

So...in his record breaking year, he hit 1 home run every 6.52 at bats. Next year? 1 per 8.76 at bats. 8.66 the next, and this year, 8.28.

As you can see, the walks have nothing to do with it.

[Candy Dimsum]

Well bonds did cheat but neverthless he still will go down as the greatest...

As far as the walk numbers go who cares your right? Its more about the picthes he gets to hit all are mostly crap therefore the sports center focuses on the walk stat aka crap picthes which do matter.

Edited December 3, 2004 by Cai

[JnCoKiLLa]

THey should strip him of his batting Title Now.........