Sietse Veteran Posted December 11, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 11, 2004 According to: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140612,00.html Something terrible is happening in the land of wooden shoes, windmills, Rembrandt (search) and wonderful breakfasts.A Dutch hospital is euthanizing ? killing ? newborn babies who don't measure up to an arbitrary standard set by the hospital. The hospital at first requested guidelines for so-called "mercy killings" of newborns. It then revealed it has been engaging in the practice without any guidelines at all. Three years after the Dutch parliament passed a law allowing doctors to actively kill patients they deemed terminally ill, in great pain and with no prospects for recovery, it has come to this. At least with the elderly sick, they had to be consulted about their wishes. Newborns receive no such privilege. I'm not surprised. Once a single category of life is declassified as having no intrinsic value and a right to life, it is a very short step to declassify other categories when they are considered inconvenient, or burdensome. Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice. Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows. And now we have at least one hospital murdering already born babies because someone has decreed them unworthy of life. If ever there was a slippery slope to be studied, this is it. The Dutch are now grappling with their open border policy. They have admitted thousands of radical Islamists who have not assimilated and are threatening the stability of the nation. A Dutch filmmaker (search) was murdered last month by a radical who didn't like a film he made criticizing Islam's treatment of women. And now we have the killing of newborns. All of this in a country where the Nazis murdered Ann Frank just because she was Jewish and therefore less than human. Does history repeat? In Holland, apparently it does. And that's Column One for this week. After reading this I felt quite offended, even though I do not agree with the policy of our government, but what is stated here is exaggerated and just not correct. I never heard of this columnist, but he seems to be taking quite an anti-dutch (probably anti-european) position. Any thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smaulz Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Not sure how to take that, I guess I'd have to see corroboration first.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire-fox Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 It's somebody who knows Holland not good, because if he knows it better it would be another story... Maby an american but who better could look to their own president... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 For some reason I want to say this has been posted before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curme Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 It was posted HERE but any new information would be great, especially from someone over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sietse Veteran Posted December 11, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted December 11, 2004 If that's true, could you direct me to that thread? I've done an extensive search but haven't found anything exactly like this. [edit] Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Fox news... need I say more? He sounds just like a typical American religious fundamentalist from Jesusland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 That is one ****** up piece. Did Hannity write that or was it Coulter? I have a lot of respect for the Dutch. I did find this though: Three years ago, the Dutch parliament made it legal for doctors to inject a sedative and a lethal dose of muscle relaxant at the request of adult patients suffering great pain with no hope of relief.The Groningen Protocol, as the hospital's guidelines have come to be known, would create a legal framework for permitting doctors to actively end the life of newborns deemed to be in similar pain from incurable disease or extreme deformities. The guideline says euthanasia is acceptable when the child's medical team and independent doctors agree the pain cannot be eased and there is no prospect for improvement, and when parents think it's best. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041130/D86MEAA80.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Fox news... need I say more?He sounds just like a typical American religious fundamentalist from Jesusland. 585084412[/snapback] like CNN and AP? Its a good thing you actually read posts. But you are right... the Dutch are American religious fundamentalist's from Jesusland... that's where everyone is moving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 like CNN and AP? Its a good thing you actually read posts. But you are right... the Dutch are American religious fundamentalist's from Jesusland... that's where everyone is moving! 585084929[/snapback] Dude... I OBVIOUSLY meant the columnist... read before you post? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bourricot Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 And you can see it's biased, because the guy tries to get his point across using arguments: Holland is a perfect example of what happens when there is no governing moral standard. The Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the practice. Prostitutes display their wares like mannequins in department store windows. And now we have at least one hospital murdering already born babies because someone has decreed them unworthy of life. This is exactly the type of texts you get in Critical Thinking/Argument Analysis classes, where you have to identify arguments. This proves my point that Fox News is biased and trying to get their point across, as opposed to simply informative (in which case there wouldn't be such strong arguments, and conclusions reached from the information). I'm not saying it's bad, just that you should really read between the lines. Now how you could think the Dutch are Jesusland fanatics is beyond me :p Edit - also, technically this conclusion is only an intermediate conclusion used to support his further, final conclusions, which I'll let you guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sietse Veteran Posted December 11, 2004 Author Veteran Share Posted December 11, 2004 This is exactly the type of texts you get in Critical Thinking/Argument Analysis classes, where you have to identify arguments. 585084993[/snapback] This is exactly what crossed my mind when reading this, I had a test about this wednesday. :plike CNN and AP? Its a good thing you actually read posts. But you are right... the Dutch are American religious fundamentalist's from Jesusland... that's where everyone is moving! 585084929[/snapback] This made me laugh. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 cal thomas is a twit. holland isn't full of nazis because its doctors practice euthanasia. if any of what he says is true and not spun by some right to life organization, there has to be a specific set of guidelines and then it has to be left up to the parents. i saw something about this on one of the news channels (fox, cnn, and msnbc become a blur after a while) and whomever was discussing it started going off on how a baby who was born with a deformed arm, leg, cleft (sp?) palate, etc would be "exterminated" because it wouldn't meet society's standards. bull****. anything like those and more can be corrected or made easier for the baby. a terminally ill, in pain, or no chance of survival baby might be better off if it's let go before it has to endure a most likely life of being hooked up to machines and painkillers - but that choice HAS to be up to the parents. as for his comments about drugs and prostitutes, we have areas here in dayton where hookers have their corners near/in front of houses on n main str, the west side, and parts of east dayton and homeowners have to go out and clean up used condoms and needles everyday so their kids don't find them. there are "erotic" shops in the oregon district and on 3rd street, and it took YEARS to get rid of porn movie theatres in the middle of a neighborhoods on 3rd street and wayne ave. it's not limited to holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Bawks Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 a) How is it Hollands fault, that it's being steamrolled by Nazis, which then proceed to kill people? b) Anne Frank died of typhus, and she did that in Lower Saxony in Germany, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfay Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Are we sure this isn't an op-ed piece? which in that case just means some dudes opinion ... I am sure there is more to this than the writer has said and you can obviously grasp that its an opinion piece. I don't see why everyone is so upset about it ... we Americans hear anti-US and anti-Bush stuff 20 times a day here on RWI and all over the world media. So what if this guy thinks its wrong, the Dutch don't and thats what counts most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Are we sure this isn't an op-ed piece? which in that case just means some dudes opinion ... I am sure there is more to this than the writer has said and you can obviously grasp that its an opinion piece. I don't see why everyone is so upset about it ... we Americans hear anti-US and anti-Bush stuff 20 times a day here on RWI and all over the world media. So what if this guy thinks its wrong, the Dutch don't and thats what counts most. 585085813[/snapback] (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Bawks Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Yeah, and we know how skilled the average population is in regards of differing actual fact from opinions, and lies for that matter (see my previous post)... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlennon Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 The Dutch are nazi's What?!? :huh: there like the complete opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Style Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I think next year more people will die in the netherlands.. I don't like it at all. Dutch People versus Muslims... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfay Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I recently saw a mini documentary about the problem right now in the Netherlands between the Dutch and the Morocans and how there are a few politicians hiding for their lives against death threats. Pretty scary, hope they can sort this matter out before more people die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Cat Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 just kick all the islamic people back to their own countries, less problems all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBeeeenster Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 That article is utter, utter rubbish. Some of the "comment" that comes out of Fox news is utterly, utterly staggering. Quite astonishing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb815 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Are we sure this isn't an op-ed piece? 585085813[/snapback] I think it is, just look at the link with his pic on the page. Meet Cal Thomas: Did you know that Cal is the most widely syndicated op-ed columnist in America? Cal Thomas is a Nazi. :shifty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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