Dashel Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 MONTGOMERY, Ala. - A judge refused to delay a trial Tuesday when an attorney objected to his wearing a judicial robe with the Ten Commandments embroidered on the front in gold. Circuit Judge Ashley McKathan showed up Monday at his Covington County courtroom in southern Alabama wearing the robe. Attorneys who try cases at the courthouse said they had not seen him wearing it before. The commandments were described as being big enough to read by anyone near the judge. McKathan told The Associated Press that he believes the Ten Commandments represent the truth "and you can't divorce the law from the truth. ... The Ten Commandments can help a judge know the difference between right and wrong." Alabama Judge's New Clothes Besides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god. Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong? They should be defrocked at least, imprisoned/executed ideally. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksalter Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Alabama Judge's New ClothesBesides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god. Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong? They should be defrocked at least, imprisoned/executed ideally. 585105383[/snapback] I weep for the future. I think these "judges" are traitors to the US Constitution and should be dealt with as traitors. And I am from Alabama the Beautiful... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 Alabama Judge's New ClothesBesides undermining the core values of this nation (Freedom of religion and separation) these judges are starting to think of themselves as avatars of god. Let me get this straight, you need gold embrodery to know the difference between right and wrong? 585105383[/snapback] There's one reason why we don't elect judges. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 That's odd more than anything. It's not like I have a shirt embroidered with cliff notes for my job. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 That's odd more than anything. It's not like I have a shirt embroidered with cliff notes for my job. 585105497[/snapback] That might be handy for an english exam though... "To be or...", um, just a sec, I need to lift my lapel... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksalter Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 There's one reason why we don't elect judges. 585105491[/snapback] No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected. Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aem4162 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 That might be handy for an english exam though..."To be or...", um, just a sec, I need to lift my lapel... 585105517[/snapback] it worked for me on the "parts of the engine" and "how the car engine works" tests in driver's ed :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected. Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush. 585105527[/snapback] I thought Cirtuit Court judges were elected in the USA and that Supreme Court judges were appointed? Ours are hired and fired except for the Supreme Court of Canada that are appointed based on geographical localtion (3 for Quebec, 3 from Ontario, 2 from the east and one from the atlantic provinces). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 No, but the officials that appoint these judges are elected. Can't wait for the next Supreme Court justice that is appointed by Jehovahbush. 585105527[/snapback] Especially if you can tell the teacher you can take the test anyway, because you're wearing the "truth". Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksalter Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I thought Cirtuit Court judges were elected in the USA and that Supreme Court judges were appointed?Ours are hired and fired except for the Supreme Court of Canada that are appointed based on geographical localtion (3 for Quebec, 3 from Ontario, 2 from the east and one from the atlantic provinces). 585105551[/snapback] I think you are correct...but it wouldn't matter in this case since the majority population approves of ten commandment judges. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 I think you are correct...but it wouldn't matter in this case since the majority population approves of ten commandment judges. 585105854[/snapback] That's what prompted my original reply that I'm glad that Canadian judges are not elected. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksalter Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 That's what prompted my original reply that I'm glad that Canadian judges are not elected. 585105856[/snapback] But what would happen if the elected officials in Canada were more conservative (as voted by a changing electorate) ... you may end up with those kind of judges anyway. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamz Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 how did that guy become a judge? :no: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 But what would happen if the elected officials in Canada were more conservative (as voted by a changing electorate) ... you may end up with those kind of judges anyway. 585105877[/snapback] Um, I don't think we're communicating properly here. Judges in Canada are hired by the office of the Ministry of Justice. They are not elected. Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state). Supreme Court Judges in both countries are appointed by the President/Prime Minister and approved by the Senate/Cabinet. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585105955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 MONTGOMERY, Ala. - A judge refused to delay a trial Tuesday when an attorney objected to his wearing a judicial robe with the Ten Commandments embroidered on the front in gold. Oh wonderful, so lets say the defendant is guilty, now the guy gets a pass because this "activist judge" is doing something he knows full well to be a contradiction of seperation of church and state. Can you say mis-trial? How about civil rights violation? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state). 585105955[/snapback] They are? :huh: :unsure: If they are, it's not by the average person. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksalter Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Um, I don't think we're communicating properly here.Judges in Canada are hired by the office of the Ministry of Justice. They are not elected. Judges in the USA are elected (as far as I know but it might vary by state). Supreme Court Judges in both countries are appointed by the President/Prime Minister and approved by the Senate/Cabinet. 585105955[/snapback] Okay, so how does the Minitstry of Justice get populated? Are they elected or appointed by the government. So if the ruling governement changes (becomes conservative) and puts different people in the Ministry of Justice, they may hire judges with a conservate slant... That was what I was trying to say. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 They are? :huh: :unsure: If they are, it's not by the average person. 585106052[/snapback] I guess it varies by state then. Okay, so how does the Minitstry of Justice get populated? Are they elected or appointed by the government.So if the ruling governement changes (becomes conservative) and puts different people in the Ministry of Justice, they may hire judges with a conservate slant... That was what I was trying to say. 585106055[/snapback] Except for the actual Minister of Justice, the Ministry of Justice is staffed by non-partisan public officials and there usually is not much turnover from government to government. Sometimes changes in governments bring in new deputy-ministers (the top non-elected position) but not always. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 They are? :huh: :unsure: If they are, it's not by the average person. 585106052[/snapback] We vote on Judges here in GA. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Douglas Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago? 585106531[/snapback] Yesterdays fantasy, today's reality. And they say that the slippery slope is a fallacy... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowimnothing Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Anyone else think this would have made a great TheOnion article two years ago? 585106531[/snapback] i kinda wish it were an article from TheOnion. Would make me feel a little better about my fellow countrymen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetonesun Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 We vote on Judges here in GA. 585106462[/snapback] During town elections, or some other time? I could be completely oblivious, since I've missed a few local elections. I always figured if you have a long black robe and were willing to wear it in public, they took you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Veteran Posted December 15, 2004 Veteran Share Posted December 15, 2004 During town elections, or some other time?I could be completely oblivious, since I've missed a few local elections. I always figured if you have a long black robe and were willing to wear it in public, they took you. 585106706[/snapback] Let me be the first to tell you, they don't let you in for just having the robe. If I'm not mistaken I have infact voted for judges. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowimnothing Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 maybe this'll answer some questions. scroll down about 3/4 of the way to "Methods of Judicial Selection" http://www.lwvmi.org/lwvjudsl.htm (i didn't read the whole thing, but it looked informative and explained why i have never voted on a judge (i live in Virginia)) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/257613-alabama-judge-at-it-again/#findComment-585106755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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