How to Enable Glass-Effects on 5048

[BlueFighter]

cpukiller what GPU u have?

[Malisk]

Hehe, nice, disabling the hardware check actually made it work for me...

Despite the User Experience SubSystem crash... :laugh:

Blur effects behind the transparent titlebar, never really noticed from the screenshots. And "folding" window openings... Posting an example.

[cpu killer]

Hehe, nice, disabling the hardware check actually made it work for me...

Despite the User Experience SubSystem crash... :laugh:

Blur effects behind the transparent titlebar, never really noticed from the screenshots. And "folding" window openings... Posting an example.

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What video card do you have and what exact steps did you take to enable it?

It runs awfully slow here, albeit starting up - gets all the effects with no registry keys, just the DWM start command [not UXSS].

[Malisk]

I have a Geforce FX 5600. Nothing too hot these days, really.

The "zoom effects" are actually quite smooth at least if it's about small windows. However, I get choppiness due to what seems to be hard drive work. I guess this early build isn't very optimized, and you'd really do better with 1 GB RAM; I only have 512 MB.

Oh and to enable the stuff in that screenshot, I only edited the registry to disable the hardware check and typed "uxss" in the Run dialog. Crash, but it works as long as you keep the crash window open. :rofl:

If I instead did the startup trick with RunDLL, I got similar results, but no zoom effects IIRC.

I'm also not really sure if it's a great idea to use *both* tricks (rundll + uxss) at once?

[NienorGT]

WOW!

Does it REALLY need a 9800?

I have a stupid Sapphire 9600Pro (Dis)Advantage 256MB here... does it can be used? (Even if it's slow...)

I want to see this! O,O

[ObiWanToby]

That uxss trick seems to work well, better effects than the dll startup. Unfortunitely there is no LDDM driver for my 6600GT :( I am saddened!

[cpu killer]

I have a Geforce FX 5600. Nothing too hot these days, really.

The "zoom effects" are actually quite smooth at least if it's about small windows. However, I get choppiness due to what seems to be hard drive work. I guess this early build isn't very optimized, and you'd really do better with 1 GB RAM; I only have 512 MB.

Oh and to enable the stuff in that screenshot, I only edited the registry to disable the hardware check and typed "uxss" in the Run dialog. Crash, but it works as long as you keep the crash window open.  :rofl:

If I instead did the startup trick with RunDLL, I got similar results, but no zoom effects IIRC.

I'm also not really sure if it's a great idea to use *both* tricks (rundll + uxss) at once?

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You can create that reg key for UXSS, or just enable the service.

Start -> Run -> services.msc -> User Experience Session Management Service -> Automatic/Start

No crashing for me, but it doesn't work smooth at all, here is what I get.

[jimbo11883]

LH won't even install for me, get some System not completely installed error, then a reboot...

[klop]

Is there drivers for 6800?

I wanna see the effects!

[oreo77]

The FX are basically better in that little app WinFX 2 from the guys who make Objectdock so nothing too earth shattering.

[Gelob]

LH won't even install for me, get some System not completely installed error, then a reboot...

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Weird..lol i installed 5048 fine on 1.8ghz 384 ram.

[PyX]

Oh. Well. Yeah. That's great. Visual effects... and quite nice ones. Oh and I am especially very surprised that someone's Internet actually works cuz it sure doesn't here. Nor Wireless nor telephony networks work.

Well... for someone who waited one year just to see this, I am not surprised at all. Still full of bugs, has a messy interface (still a placeholder after 2 - 3 years of development? What's going on?), it's notreally usable, is not user-friendly at all unlike everything they said (it even makes things harder to do and more complicated to understand).

Now that's pretty much confirmed. May 24th, I am buying a Mac G5 dual. The whole thing. Windows Longhorn will be nothing but what I described up there. If they didn't manage to do much progress in one year, I don't see why I should give them another year or another year and a half (cuz first it's still not enough and second it's too far away)

[y_notm]

did this (someone here can take the time to create the batch file as I can't be arsed to do it atm):

Open DOS and navigate to:

c:\windows\system32\

Type this:

rundll32.exe udwm.dll DwmClientStartup

That'll get your glass going. The buttons will be square still but the buttons will have the colors when you hover over them.

To start the effects, use the same registry hacks as you did for 4074:

Start > Run > Regedit

Navigate to:

HKLM>Software>Microsoft>Windows>CurrentVersion>Explorer

Create 2 new keys: MILDesktop and MILExplorer and give them both a value of 1.

Restart.

That's all I did to get where we got for the screenshots. Perhaps on the appropriate PC, the effects will be much greater. Enjoy. happy.gif

-Ref'X

It also looks like cpu killer has some Radeon LDDM drivers (on the DVD?).

:D

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LDDM drivers are available for the 9500, 9600, 9700 and 9800 (and XT) series. If your exact card isn't in the list, choose the closest family, and if its lower than a 9800, use the EnableMachineCheck hack to allow DWM.

[oreo77]

Oh. Well. Yeah. That's great. Visual effects... and quite nice ones. Oh and I am especially very surprised that someone's Internet actually works cuz it sure doesn't here. Nor Wireless nor telephony networks work.

Well... for someone who waited one year just to see this, I am not surprised at all. Still full of bugs, has a messy interface (still a placeholder after 2 - 3 years of development? What's going on?), it's notreally usable, is not user-friendly at all unlike everything they said (it even makes things harder to do and more complicated to understand).

Now that's pretty much confirmed. May 24th, I am buying a Mac G5 dual. The whole thing. Windows Longhorn will be nothing but what I described up there. If they didn't manage to do much progress in one year, I don't see why I should give them another year or another year and a half (cuz first it's still not enough and second it's too far away)

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Judging by what we saw today I totally agree with you. Longhorn in it's current state really is a pile of dung. It feels like a dirty and buggy WinXP with bits and pieces sticking out all over the place. That being said, it isn't even in beta so why should we even get all dissapointed about it? I guess it's just hard to understand what they are doing over there with all that money, all those resources, and this is all they are able to produce after three years. We'll just have to wait some more (atleast 6 months) till the betas and RC's are out for a final verdict.

[ev0|]

To enable it for other cards create a regkey

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\DWM\EnableMachineCheck (Dword) and set it to 0

after that uxss.exe enables the effects and crashes.. but if you just drag the error window to someplace where it doesn't bother you it seems to keep running.

This is the best way to enable it and it's really quite smooth on my 5600. But this isn't all the effects that are possible I would imagine.

It's still an alpha people, we are not in Beta yet, don't judge it until it is final.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Now that's pretty much confirmed. May 24th, I am buying a Mac G5 dual. The whole thing. Windows Longhorn will be nothing but what I described up there. If they didn't manage to do much progress in one year, I don't see why I should give them another year or another year and a half (cuz first it's still not enough and second it's too far away)

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You're going to buy a Mac because you're not impressed, as an end-user, with an Alpha build of an operating system 2 years from release that was designed exclusively for hardware engineers and includes only the bits having to do with driver development on the only part of the OS that is basically complete (the driver framework, LDDM, and Metro).

That's about the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

Several people I know have seen Aero Glass. And that ain't it. Believe me, they've done a lot of User Experience work for Longhorn. But unless you're good buddies with Jim Allchin, you're not going to see it until next year when they want you to.

[xxdesmus]

i got the transparent stuff workin, but not the min/max effects :blink:

[Phemo]

Oh. Well. Yeah. That's great. Visual effects... and quite nice ones. Oh and I am especially very surprised that someone's Internet actually works cuz it sure doesn't here. Nor Wireless nor telephony networks work.

Well... for someone who waited one year just to see this, I am not surprised at all. Still full of bugs, has a messy interface (still a placeholder after 2 - 3 years of development? What's going on?), it's notreally usable, is not user-friendly at all unlike everything they said (it even makes things harder to do and more complicated to understand).

Now that's pretty much confirmed. May 24th, I am buying a Mac G5 dual. The whole thing. Windows Longhorn will be nothing but what I described up there. If they didn't manage to do much progress in one year, I don't see why I should give them another year or another year and a half (cuz first it's still not enough and second it's too far away)

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And it's for that exact reason that Microsoft isn't showing Longhorn's current state to the general public yet. You can't see what's changed under the hood, nor can you see the other builds - Microsoft have already shown off some of build 5060 so what's the point in judging an older (albeit the most recent we've seen) alpha build?

Oh I give up. Buy a Mac if you want, they're great machines, but I still think making such a comment on an OS that isn't even beta yet is quite pathetic. Being as the build was distributed for WinHEC attendees, it stands to reason that the fancy stuff isn't there yet. Sigh.

[SkyyPunk Veteran]

To enable it for other cards create a regkey

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\DWM\EnableMachineCheck (Dword) and set it to 0

after that uxss.exe enables the effects and crashes.. but if you just drag the error window to someplace where it doesn't bother you it seems to keep running.

This is the best way to enable it and it's really quite smooth on my 5600. But this isn't all the effects that are possible I would imagine.

It's still an alpha people, we are not in Beta yet, don't judge it until it is final.

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this way works great!!! FYI

[xxdesmus]

how do you get the mix/max effects?

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Maybe none of you were around back then... but development of Windows 2000 was much the same way. Pre-beta 1 was entirely unuseable. Beta 1 (still called Windows NT 5.0) wasn't even worth running. It was unstable, ugly, and had broken pieces everywhere. The beta 1 refreshes showed very little noticeable improvement. A lot of people thought it would never see the light of day. Then one day they posted beta 2 and announced the name change to Windows 2000 (one of the beta tester's jobs was to make sure all the branding got changed over properly). It still had a ways to go, but the progress from beta 1 was massive, and seemed to happen over night. It was an entirely different beast.

A beta 2 refresh came not much later and suddenly we realized what a massive overhaul this OS had undergone. By this time it was useable for most day-to-day tasks, and was quite exciting to test.

With beta 3 came the polish. Everything came together and finally made many of us go "wow, this is amazing. How did I ever live without this?" And the RCs just cleaned up one or two loose ends.

I expect Longhorn to be much the same way (even though there may not be a beta 3 since they seem to have stopped with those).

Some say it would be better for Microsoft not to show anything until it's ready for public view. And that's the problem... if you let anyone see this stuff, enthusiasts like us are going to eat up every ounce of it that we can get.

On the other hand, letting developers and hardware engineers get their hands on this early improves the user experience for the final product massively. No one wants to install Longhorn the day it comes out only to find that half of their hardware isn't supported. We all want Longhorn to ship with huge hardware support and some awesome new applications to show off the new platform.

If you want to critique Longhorn right now, critique the stuff that they're showing you... not the placeholder items like the UI. Critique the LDDM, since that's one of the largest focuses for this release. Critique the implementation of Metro, and the Windows Driver Kit that they handed out. That's what they want to hear about.

Beta 1 will probably be a more developer-oriented release (this one, for the most part, is not). Although nowadays Avalon and Indigo are being made available to developers without Longhorn, so that's not as important as before. So the real thing to watch will be beta 2. I doubt beta 2 will have the final look and feel of the OS... but it will be a much better indicator than this engineering technology sample.

[corrosive23]

Maybe none of you were around back then... but development of Windows 2000 was much the same way.  Pre-beta 1 was entirely unuseable. Beta 1 (still called Windows NT 5.0) wasn't even worth running.  It was unstable, ugly, and had broken pieces everywhere.  The beta 1 refreshes showed very little noticeable improvement.  A lot of people thought it would never see the light of day.  Then one day they posted beta 2 and announced the name change to Windows 2000 (one of the beta tester's jobs was to make sure all the branding got changed over properly).  It still had a ways to go, but the progress from beta 1 was massive, and seemed to happen over night.  It was an entirely different beast.

A beta 2 refresh came not much later and suddenly we realized what a massive overhaul this OS had undergone.  By this time it was useable for most day-to-day tasks, and was quite exciting to test.

With beta 3 came the polish.  Everything came together and finally made many of us go "wow, this is amazing.  How did I ever live without this?"  And the RCs just cleaned up one or two loose ends.

I expect Longhorn to be much the same way (even though there may not be a beta 3 since they seem to have stopped with those).

Some say it would be better for Microsoft not to show anything until it's ready for public view.  And that's the problem... if you let anyone see this stuff, enthusiasts like us are going to eat up every ounce of it that we can get.

On the other hand, letting developers and hardware engineers get their hands on this early improves the user experience for the final product massively.  No one wants to install Longhorn the day it comes out only to find that half of their hardware isn't supported.  We all want Longhorn to ship with huge hardware support and some awesome new applications to show off the new platform.

If you want to critique Longhorn right now, critique the stuff that they're showing you... not the placeholder items like the UI.  Critique the LDDM, since that's one of the largest focuses for this release.  Critique the implementation of Metro, and the Windows Driver Kit that they handed out.  That's what they want to hear about.

Beta 1 will probably be a more developer-oriented release (this one, for the most part, is not).  Although nowadays Avalon and Indigo are being made available to developers without Longhorn, so that's not as important as before.  So the real thing to watch will be beta 2.  I doubt beta 2 will have the final look and feel of the OS... but it will be a much better indicator than this engineering technology sample.

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same with xp, hell these guys should have seen win95's beta releases.

[AminoSC]

i've been running it for 9 hrs now and it hasn't crashed at all. pretty stable for a pre-beta.

[xxdesmus]

i can't believe how stable (and quick) it is... just can't wait for Beta1 now....see some real magic ;)

[Gelob]

I installed it on my 2nd machine and now threw the HD in my mian which is ALOT more powerfull and i booted into safemode. Let it reload drivers. All set :)