How to Enable Glass-Effects on 5048

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The error window honestly has to be the best part. I mean I hate to keep starting flame but I just don't understand though. I mean I believe this is cool and everything, but the orginal OS X release had effects that equaled this and it doesn't make sense why we have to wait a whole year before it's not buggy. Why a whole year before the search is up to spotlight. Apple's been consistent with releases every year lately. I'm gonna use it (LH) when it comes out but god you have to wonder what MS is doing with all of the dough.

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The error window honestly has to be the best part. I mean I hate to keep starting flame but I just don't understand though. I mean I believe this is cool and everything, but the orginal OS X release had effects that equaled this and it doesn't make sense why we have to wait a whole year before it's not buggy. Why a whole year before the search is up to spotlight. Apple's been consistent with releases every year lately. I'm gonna use it (LH) when it comes out but god you have to wonder what MS is doing with all of the dough.

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Im sure MS isnt going for effects right now. Besides that error doesnt happen on the hardware it is meant for right now. There is no point for MS to bundle every freaking driver for it. They probaly only had it for for cetain hardware at WinHEC and maybe the majority of developers. Besides apple is so closed about their betas. ******s

How is that exactly?

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didnt goolge patent that index technology? At least in search engines or w/e.

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Alt+Tab looks the same 2 me as it does in XP

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How is that exactly?

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You might remember the original big search engine: Yahoo (powered by Inktomi (sp?))

That said, thanks for the video Gelob. I think it's enough motivation to get and install this. Let's see if my GeForce 5700 is up to the task...

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The error window honestly has to be the best part. I mean I hate to keep starting flame but I just don't understand though. I mean I believe this is cool and everything, but the orginal OS X release had effects that equaled this and it doesn't make sense why we have to wait a whole year before it's not buggy. Why a whole year before the search is up to spotlight. Apple's been consistent with releases every year lately. I'm gonna use it (LH) when it comes out but god you have to wonder what MS is doing with all of the dough.

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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didnt goolge patent that index technology? At least in search engines or w/e.

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The desktop search technology? LOL

The desktop search technology used in Longhorn (and MSN Desktop Search) is the same index technology used in the Windows 2000/XP Indexing Service, SharePoint Portal Server, SQL Server's full-text index, and other places. It's obviously enhanced to a degree, but mostly the work has been done on the interface and usefulness of the indexed information.

When Google released their beta of the Google Desktop Search tool last fall, the MSN guys nearly had a collective heart attack. They'd been working for months and months on the MSN Desktop Search tool and were only a couple weeks away from their first release. Several of them recently told me that they still don't know how Google timed their release so perfectly.

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The desktop search technology?  LOL

The desktop search technology used in Longhorn (and MSN Desktop Search) is the same index technology used in the Windows 2000/XP Indexing Service, SharePoint Portal Server, SQL Server's full-text index, and other places.  It's obviously enhanced to a degree, but mostly the work has been done on the interface and usefulness of the indexed information.

When Google released their beta of the Google Desktop Search tool last fall, the MSN guys nearly had a collective heart attack.  They'd been working for months and months on the MSN Desktop Search tool and were only a couple weeks away from their first release.  I talked to several of them last week and they said they still don't know how Google timed their release so perfectly.

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Ah!!!

Google must ahve sources then

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Google, of course, uses their own indexing engine. But they certainly don't have any patents that affect Microsoft/MSN or Apple's offerings.

Besides that, before GDS, there were plenty of great tools like Copernic and X1.

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Most of these effects (transparency, shadows, etc) are possible on Windows 2000/XP with GDI+. The problem is, driver support for per-pixel alpha blending and accelerated 2D stretchblts (among other features) are inconsistent and largely unpredictable. That's why the effects in WindowFX sometimes work great and sometimes don't work at all.

LDDM will change that. But more than this, it will move UI acceleration from using the hardware's 2D capabilities to using its (much more robust) 3D capabilities and its vertex/pixel shading capabilities.

Furthermore, replacing GDI+ with the DWM will yield a more consistent and clean user interface. When Longhorn is finished, gone will be the drawing artifacts you see when Windows XP is rendering a window. In XP, windows will often draw certain controls that aren't "ready" to be painted. In Longhorn, this won't happen.

There are a lot of other subtle changes that the DWM will bring. Overall the result will be a much cleaner, more sophisticated interface. Yes, OS X has a lot of this (but not all) already. But that doesn't mean it isn't welcome on Windows.

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Did you ever think they do all that to test what it can handle and what happens in the final version. Besides who says there is a final version...

http://img191.echo.cx/img191/1981/dsc006139vm.jpg

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Correction: Who says there is a COMMERCIAL version.

Pretty funny and interesting thing you found there. :)

And yes, this release looks like several "little pieces scattered around". But don't forget that it's the intentions with it too... It's supposed to be demo'ed at WinHEC, not used as a desktop OS. Don't forget that. ;) They've probably picked some features to demo that was fairly stable on the hardware they used, and there's probably some quite evolved hardware abstraction layer in this build too for driver developers, one of those under the hood things. Some evidence for this is that my card among others was detected and set up for LDDM, so there has apparently been some effort at driver development for Longhorn in this build.

The thing many of you who complain miss is that you aren't the auidence with this release. There's obviously very large Longhorn stuff not in this release because it's not the point of it... msh being one of those things...

But if you want a Mac, go ahead, please do!

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Several people I know have seen Aero Glass. 

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I get your point but its hilarious that you said that because no one except 12 people at microsoft and those 12 are the microsoft UX team have ever seen aero glass. what they likely saw is a demo of the glass theme which is nothing compaired to what aero glass and diamond user experiences will be when longhorn is rtm or anything similar to what those 12 guys are working on right now. :laugh:

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The error window honestly has to be the best part. I mean I hate to keep starting flame but I just don't understand though. I mean I believe this is cool and everything, but the orginal OS X release had effects that equaled this and it doesn't make sense why we have to wait a whole year before it's not buggy. Why a whole year before the search is up to spotlight. Apple's been consistent with releases every year lately. I'm gonna use it (LH) when it comes out but god you have to wonder what MS is doing with all of the dough.

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In the builds the released it had effects enabled, however they started the early work on it with Rhapsody in 1997, and even when 10.0 came out nothing in it worked except for the pretty animations and the dock, hell cd burning and dvd viewing were broken. So its not like apple pulled it out of their ass and everything worked from the first release.

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I have a 6800. Can the LDDM driver be installed through manually updating the driver in device manager? Is there an option for the 5900 LDDM to choose from???

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I have the 6600GT, and I tried the FX5950, no go. But there are many other drivers to choose from, unfortunitely, it lookis like we are out of luck though :(

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