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@Diabolic: Glad to hear they played some stuff of Orchid. I am seriously getting goosebumps just thinking about hearing Under the weeping moon, Forest Of October or some Morningrise material live. :)

Was Gene Hoglan at the show at all?

This may sound bad, but can someone suggest some "good" Doom Metal bands. I'm trying to figure out how it sounds and whether it's any good.

I don't really care for most of the names mentioned so here's some of my recommendations.

Electric Wizard (THE Doom metal band IMO)

Candlemass (Ancient Dreams is what you should look for)

My Dying Bride (Only album I like of theirs is As The Flower Withers)

Sleep (Look for Dopesmoker, it's amazing)

Spirit Caravan

Sun O)))

Cathedral

Orange Goblin

St. Vitus

@Diabolic: Glad to hear they played some stuff of Orchid. I am seriously getting goosebumps just thinking about hearing Under the weeping moon, Forest Of October or some Morningrise material live. :)

Was Gene Hoglan at the show at all?

They originally were gonna do the Chronological Set, but they didn't have all the effects pedals, so they had to adjust the setlist some.

As for the DTB. It was the regular DTB lineup. I asked one of the guys in line if they would play an SYL song, and he said they'd do it maybe if Gene was there. It was still an awesome set though. Now I can't wait to see SYL if they come back my way.

I was hoping to see Gene live, he's one of my favorite musicians. Oh well, like seeing Opeth will be dissapointing :p

^ Depends on whether you like just their heavy stuff or not. They were incredible but played mainly their more melodic stuff. (When I saw them, Oxford Brooks University).

An Evening with Opeth was fantastic. The show sold out and it was a great atmosphere. My only gripe is they only played a single song from each of their first five albums, and too much from Ghost Reveries (three tracks, bleh).

quote]Seminal technical metal pioneers ATHEIST have regrouped for a run of exclusive live performances.

Guitarist/vocalist Kelly Shaefer has reassembled what is widely considered the band's classic recording lineup (Shaefer, guitarist Rand Burkey, bassist Tony Choy, and drummer Steven Flynn) for two exclusive festival performances; Italy's Evolution Festival and Germany's Wacken Open Air. Shaefer comments, "We're very excited to be able to get back on the stage and play these insane tunes hit the air again the proper way with Flynn, Burkey and Choy. It's going to be very exciting and something not to be missed!"

ATHEIST will take part on Evolution Festival (scheduled for July 16 and 17 in Brescia, Italy) and Wacken Open Air (scheduled for August 3-5 in Schleswig Holstein, Germany). These will be the first in a series of exclusive festival performances announced. Shaefer continues, "We would like to make a great festival run this year and expose as many as possible to the music we lived and died for. Many thanks to the Evolution Festival and Wacken for helping to give many people who never got to see ATHEIST live a chance to see us one last time. This is our chance to make the music we worked so hard to create come alive one last time, and we guarantee that it will not disappoint."

ATHEIST has recently had its wildly-influential catalog (1988's "Piece of Time", 1993's "Elements", and the 1991's legendary "Unquestionable Presence") reissued internationally via Relapse Records. Additionally, "Unquestionable Presence" was recently featured in Decibel magazine as part of its ongoing Hall of Fame feature. The Hall of Fame feature highlights influential and pivotal releases in metal history, and "Unquestionable Presence" joins of ranks of previously profiled classics such as SLAYER's "Reign In Blood", SEPULTURA's "Roots", and AT THE GATES' "Slaughter of the Soul", among others.

Atheist Is Back

Did they? I only have their Reise Reise album, and I dont think they screamed.

*when I say yell/scream/shout, I mean that screaming on the top of the voice, like in the middle part of Sys of a Down's Attack.

Oh, I see what you mean :p

Don't know if Trivium gigs are sold out, or if they've updated gig list to include it - but they're playing at the Concorde 2 (a small venue compared to say, Astoria) in Brighton this tuesday. Tickets available at rounders records (in the Lanes), if there's any left that is. So if you want to see them and couldn't because they sold out, this is your chance.

Also seeing In Flames the following wednesday! :D (and also the band that does the music for rathergood.com (7 seconds of love) on the friday embetween) :D this is a good .. week and 1 day ..

I'm going to see Rob Zombie and The Coil next Friday. I can't wait. It'll be my 4th time seeing The Coil and finally I get to see Rob. I never got the chance to see White Zombie. I hope he does a White Zombie song, not counting it, but it would be cool if he did.

I also saw that Nine Inch Nails is playing in my hometown on a Friday in May so i'll probably hit that one. I haven't seen Trent live. It should be fun.

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