DMCA regulations

[VLR]

Im not even convinced these e-police exist

anyway lets suppose they did.?  shouldnt they need a warrant to eavesdrop on a person's internet connection.? I know phone taps arent permissable in court unless they have a warrant.

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They don't overdrop on your internet connection, instead they can check in the server's log hosting the file(s) whose IP accessed it

[TooPackShaker]

thats exactly the same thing. they shouldnt be able to do anything with those IPs

[fkid]

Now I know that if I'm not sharing I'm ok, thanks a lot.

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*laugh* I agree; he posted what everyone already knows, common sense information!

What's funny to me is how those against downloading illegally always use copyright laws and the like to show how they're right and we're wrong.

Not all laws are good ones you fools! Remember who gave birth to the United States of America; slave owners who wanted to be free! How f*cked up is that huh? And you're using laws set up by the government (and governments all over the world have histories marred by very negative events which they caused) to show us how what we're doing is so bad and wrong. :no: :rolleyes:

[Chad]

Now I know that if I'm not sharing I'm ok, thanks a lot.

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Trying to twist people's words to defend your stance? Sounds like every other pirate I know.

As far as traffic, all the ISP has to do is report you. If you are using their lines for illegal internet traffic, they have every right to bring in authorities.

[TooPackShaker]

ok chad we get it. you're better than everyone else and you've never listened to or watched anything you didnt pay for. in fact you've probably never broken any laws or rules ever. great

[fkid]

ok chad we get it.?  you're better than everyone else and you've never listened to or watched anything you didnt pay for.? in fact you've probably never broken any laws or rules ever.? great

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Remember; if you want to become something cool in life (like a SuperMod) you have to kiss a**, obey all laws and not download anything illegally; ever!

(the above is a joke, in that it's not meant to be offensive, only humorous and silly. this is not illegal, so i cannot be sued or jailed)

[TooPackShaker]

yes Im awaiting my warning or ban for expressing an opinion

[CyberDude]

Trying to twist people's words to defend your stance?? Sounds like every other pirate I know.

As far as traffic, all the ISP has to do is report you.? If you are using their lines for illegal internet traffic, they have every right to bring in authorities.

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Haha every right but they can't, it's ****ing Family Guy not child porn, no one is going to get arrested for downloading (at least from p2p's since half the world does it). Now if you're higher up the food chain and happen to be profiting from your "downloading", then this is another story entirely.

Edited July 26, 2005 by CyberDude

[Doli]

You may have not said it exactly like that, but you said from what you've seen here on Neowin the "don't download" people have brough out more proper reasons and arguments for their beliefs. That means they have to be more intelligent and knowledgable (at least on this subject), so you are inferring that with your statements.

And if you cannot see how my other point/story has something to do with our talks of downloading for free, then you (under 90 IQ?) are no longer worth debating with or talking to!

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your taking words and putting them in my mouth and then insulting me then you end it with im not worth debating?

"You may have not said it exactly like that" no i didnt say it like that at all and i dont mean it like at all either, its how you view it and without asking me to clear it for you you go on with how you viewed it.

[fkid]

your taking words and putting them in my mouth and then insulting me then you end it with im not worth debating?

"You may have not said it exactly like that" no i didnt say it like that at all and i dont mean it like at all either, its how you view it and without asking me to clear it for you you go on with how you viewed it.

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in?fer?ence (noun)

1. The act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.

2. The act of reasoning from factual knowledge or evidence.

(Saying that a group of individuals has better reasoning and arguments than another is also stating they are more intelligent in that regard)

[Doli]

(Saying that a group of individuals has better reasoning and arguments than another is also stating they are more intelligent in that regard)

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to you, but like i already said i did not mean it that way so get off of it already and back to the topic

[curme]

To all the people who think it is ok to download movies, is it ok to take a picture you didn't create, and post it on your webpage? How about create a huge page full of wallpapers you stole from deviantart, neowin, etc.? Can I create a webpage that looks exactly like yours, by using your graphics and code? Is it ok if I took your avatar, or signature, and used it for my own?

[fkid]

To all the people who think it is ok to download movies, is it ok to take a picture you didn't create, and post it on your webpage? How about create a huge page full of wallpapers you stole from deviantart, neowin, etc.?  Can I create a webpage that looks exactly like yours, by using your graphics and code? Is it ok if I took your avatar, or signature, and used it for my own?

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Bad analytical examples.

[VLR]

To all the people who think it is ok to download movies, is it ok to take a picture you didn't create, and post it on your webpage? How about create a huge page full of wallpapers you stole from deviantart, neowin, etc.?  Can I create a webpage that looks exactly like yours, by using your graphics and code? Is it ok if I took your avatar, or signature, and used it for my own?

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If I buy a CD, I feel I have the right to download a copy to use as a backup if I have no other way to amke one, and that without sharing it.

Now, for your exemple, it's ok if you paid for the rights.

[lordtinuviel]

To all the people who think it is ok to download movies, is it ok to take a picture you didn't create, and post it on your webpage? How about create a huge page full of wallpapers you stole from deviantart, neowin, etc.?  Can I create a webpage that looks exactly like yours, by using your graphics and code? Is it ok if I took your avatar, or signature, and used it for my own?

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ok lets copyright everything even words........so u need to ask persmission to say something........mmmm where i have seen that.....comunism???? nazi??? lol

oh please....

some people download some dont get used to it........its like smokin pot and not, its like pro abortion and those who opposse.....

in fact abortion is a really bad crime and guess what? its legal!!!!

[curme]

Bad analytical examples.

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Why? Someone sat down, and created a movie. Someone sat down, and created a wallpaper. Both are products that came from someone's mind. Some sell movies, others sell wallpapers. How is that different?

[fkid]

Why? Someone sat down, and created a movie. Someone sat down, and created a wallpaper. Both are products that came from someone's mind. Some sell movies, others sell wallpapers. How is that different?

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Just by downloading a movie, you do not gain profit. Most people do not buy/sell wallpapers and ripping off someone's art or website is quite different from downloading a movie for free. Just bad analogies; that's all...

[Crimson Behelit]

joekr...let's tone it down a bit.

Can you please clarify exactly what I should tone down? I haven't been violating any board rules. Where is Meshuggah's warning for calling me a prick? :rolleyes:

First thing, the DMCA is a US law. Why you are arguing that it applies to you in Canada, I have no idea. But given your current inaccurate stance towards that law, you best be paying attention to what Canada brings in.

The DMCA's scope is inherintly much wider than just the US. While it is a US law, the DMCA is also being held as template by other countries wordlwide who are in the process of revising their copyright laws (Canada included). It makes perfect sense to argue the DMCA as it indirectly affects the citizens of other countries too. You shouldn't have issue with me debating the DMCA because I'm Canadian... if your issue is with my alleged inaccuricies, I invite you to provide links or excerpts to/from official documents proving said allegations.

Bottom line, yeah you can make yourself a backup copy of the actual dvd you bought. No where in the DMCA does it give you the right to download another copy. What it DOES say, is that it's illegal to distribute copies of said material. When you choose to download those illegal copies, you are aiding and abetting the distributor. If you happen to be using bittorrent, you are also uploading to other users while downloading, making you fully liable for that illegal distrubution.

Since both bangbang and timdor failed to respond with sources to their claims, I guess I must place the responsibilty on you to provide evidence. "No where in the DMCA does it give you the right to download another copy.. I'm sure many of us would love to see where in the DMCA (or any other documentation) it explicitly states One does not have the right to download something one holds a license to. I'd also like to see evidence of where it says downloading (read: explicitly downloading, no uploading whatsoever) aids and abetts piraters. While you are completely accurate that torrent transfers download and upload simultaneously (leaving a chance that those who do not hold the necessary licenses to access digital content are accessing it), I never limited my argument to the use of torrents. After all, there are other methods to download that don't include simultaneous uploads/sharing.

If you are caught with those illegally obtained copies, you WILL be prosecuted under the DMCA law. You can complain and moan all day saying we are wrong, but in the end it's just a poor justification for your activities. On top of that, a very poor understanding of your rights

Which illegally obtained copies are you referring to, Chad? Have I given any direct indication that I download media? If so, I'd like to see you highlight it in this thread, soopurmoddurater. That being said, I think it would facilitate this discussion if you didn't assume anything about me or my net practices. There is an ongoing discussion here about digital rights, what is and isn't scribed in law, and the legal nature of specific instances of downloading.

[VLR]

Remember; if you want to become something cool in life (like a SuperMod) you have to kiss a**, obey all laws and not download anything illegally; ever!

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Or atleast act like that.

[Doli]

Which illegally obtained copies are you referring to, Chad?  Have I given any direct indication that I download media?

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I think he means in general, not you but anyone under the law of where they live.

[oddcrap]

Just by downloading a movie, you do not gain profit. Most people do not buy/sell wallpapers and ripping off someone's art or website is quite different from downloading a movie for free. Just bad analogies; that's all...

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You can make a profit if you choose to re-sell that movie that you've downloaded.

[fkid]

You can make a profit if you choose to re-sell that movie that you've downloaded.

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I said "Just by downloading..."! Please especially notice the just!

Edited July 26, 2005 by illz55

[Chad]

Does someone have the right to borrow your copy of a dvd and back it for their personal use? No. Downloading from p2p is no different. You are downloading a backup of someone elses copy, not your own. That's what you need to understand. Fair Use only comes in to play on the actual copy you own. You're confusing the wordage used.

I should amend a post of mine though, as I don't think I clarified. According to the DMCA, you are NOT allowed to make a backup copy of a dvd if it involves breaking the encryption on said dvd. Even if you own that DVD.

As far as actual proof...joekr, you made the first insinuation that it was legal to download a copy of a movie you own. The burden of proof is on you.

[Chad]

Have I given any direct indication that I download media? If so, I'd like to see you highlight it in this thread, soopurmoddurater. That being said, I think it would facilitate this discussion if you didn't assume anything about me or my net practices. There is an ongoing discussion here about digital rights, what is and isn't scribed in law, and the legal nature of specific instances of downloading.

Have I given any direct indication that I was speaking to you? If so, I'd like to see you highlight it in this thread, little member. That being said, I think it would facilitate this discussion if you didn't assume anything about me or what my post says. There is an ongoing discussion here about digital rights, what is and isn't scribed in law, and the legal nature of specific instances of downloading

:rolleyes:

[Crimson Behelit]

I should amend a post of mine though, as I don't think I clarified.  According to the DMCA, you are NOT allowed to make a backup copy of a dvd if it involves breaking the encryption on said dvd.  Even if you own that DVD.

(Jan 23, 2004) DVD CCA has dropped its case.

As far as actual proof...joekr, you made the first insinuation that it was legal to download a copy of a movie you own.  The burden of proof is on you.

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Actually, three different mods (including yourself) have made the following statements:

- Even owning a legal copy of the disc does not grant one permission to obtain it, also, via illegal means. - bangbang23

- Downloading from these distributors includes you in the crime. - bangbang23

- Technically, the software used to rip DVD's has be deemed illegal (remember dvdcopyx?). Also, as soon as the user distributes the file and you download it, the crime moves past the DMCA and onto federal copyright grounds. - bangbang23

- Downloading isn't making a backup. You're obtaining a copy from another user. Your license entitles you to a backup of your copy, not someone else's. - timdor

- Again, you have a very warped view of how this works. You're allowed to make a backup copy of your copy of the material. Your license doesn't give you right to view the material in every form in every case. As a result, it also doesn't give you the right to obtain your backup from another user's copy (which is what you do when downloading). - timdor

- When you choose to download those illegal copies, you are aiding and abetting the distributor. If you happen to be using bittorrent, you are also uploading to other users while downloading, making you fully liable for that illegal distrubution. - you

None of these statements have been backed up with excerpts directly from the DMCA or any other document. The onus of proof is on you three... I have read the DMCA, I suggest you do the same. Nowhere does it say one cannot download a movie he/she has a license to, period. If it's not in there, it isn't a violation of the DMCA. Here's a link to the DMCA, go nuts. Until one of you can prove to us all that one may not download a movie he/she owns a license to, I don't see any further reason for us to continue this discussion... you're expecting me to just believe you :rolleyes:.