A huge blow to Messenger Plus!

[DarkCircuit]

You did it the hard way.

How to uninstall ad-ware/sponsor

And for everyone who looks at this thread, it is Adware (A trimmed down version). Not spyware.

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Uhh ... lol. Yes, Actually that was the easy way for this particular brand of Adware and Spyware. But thank you for your contribution on how to get rid of crapware.

Crapware sucks. There shouldnt be any in the first place.

Adware, spyware, any extra ware should not find it's way onto peoples pc. Especially if they select "no, dont put that stuff on my pooter".

[+vlsi0n Subscriber¹]

No it does not. It installs a toolbar on IE, adds a few favorities, and gives random popups. That is not totaly screwing up your system...

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which is why they added it as ADWARE, god, people are so eager to bash MS.//.

[DarkCircuit]

Im no noob, and I know a bit about these stupid companies. LOP, etc ... and I know that I myself have had problems with (my term) this CrapWare.

Sometimes self replicating, sometimes hidden from the add/remove programs, sometimes hidden in the registry under so many different names it becomes rediculous.

Im talking for the average user, the mom who wants to get rid of that annoying blue bar on her desktop. The guy who comes home from work, and just wants to not have a million porn sites pop up when trying to acces his church website.

There are better ways to distribute software.

Not by bundling it with Crap.

After careful thought and consideration, ...

I hope MS sticks to their guns with their AntiJunkware beta, and hardens it even more. Btw.. Did you know that NOD32 just deleted FlashGet from my system saying it was Adware?

This makes me think ...

should software be software, and not scrolling advertisements? :yes:

EDIT: Just so you know, believe it or not, in the past after installing Plus!, and choosing "please Patchau, I dont want dogpile ware on my pc", it installed itself anyway!

[Rudy]

i say take the spyware out and maybe MS will stop tagging your app as spyware :p duh

[dooba]

PROPAGANDA!! :angry:

http://msgplus.net/news.php

- j

[monofonik]

People need to quit thinking this is about MS giving a "low blow" to an independent software developer/someone who created something that piggybacks their IM client. If anything, the addition of some of the more necessary features in Plus! to MSN Messenger should show that MS is at least aware of and embracing the downfalls of their client.

What this is about is someone who puts adware in his software (which, granted, is installed only if permission is given) to make money off of it rather than asking for paypal donations, charging for it, or what have you.

If he puts something in his software that MS AntiSpyware is programmed to get rid of, then of course it's going to have to be red flagged.

[DarkCircuit]

PROPAGANDA!! :angry:

http://msgplus.net/news.php

- j

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we had some chats from time to time but nothing particularly thorough. Well, all of this is about to change!

After all this time, the MSN team is now showing some positive interest for the add-on. MSN is currently looking for ways to work together with me "to give MSN Messenger users the best possible IM experience". To start things up on some solid ground, the MSN Messenger team has invited me to their headquarters in Redmond for a series of introductory meetings. I'll be there for a couple of days next week to explore common business opportunities which might exist between our two companies. Like it was the case last year with MSN France, MSN and I reiterate the fact that the purpose of the visit is not to shut down Messenger Plus! nor to buy it.

No, they are just going to slap him with a court order to stop messing with their software, and then take him out back, and beat him like a red-readed stepchild.

:laugh:

[SaLiVa]

alot of n00bs will die from it

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Really? What's written on their death certificate? :p :rolleyes:

Lameness aside, the program does include spyware so I guess Microsoft does have the right to label it as one. Not that it really matters though, I never even noticed Microsoft had a SpyWare blaster to start with.

On a side note, I was wondering - I'm seeing quite alot of positive comments about MSN Plus! and I've tried it myself. The only thing I liked about it was the StuffNG plug in I could use to open my mail in Firefox all the time. Other than that, I find it hard to find anything useful in it. Anyone care to enlighten me on what Im missing out on?

[DarkCircuit]

Really? What's written on their death certificate??:pp?&nbsp:rolleyes:s:

Lameness aside, the program does include spyware so I guess Microsoft does have the right to label it as one. Not that it really matters though, I never even noticed Microsoft had a SpyWare blaster to start with.

On a side note, I was wondering - I'm seeing quite alot of positive comments about MSN Plus! and I've tried it myself. The only thing I liked about it was the StuffNG plug in I could use to open my mail in Firefox all the time. Other than that, I find it hard to find anything useful in it. Anyone care to enlighten me on what Im missing out on?

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Not much.

Well, ... soon youll have tabbed chatting .. err .. which I hate. But you can run a Boss Key, and umm, a personalized message when your gone, ... err .. ah .. you can download random sounds and play them to someone who has Plus! too, ... err .. what else ... hmm .. not much ...

EDIT: Not a stab at the program at all. I actually use it, and like it. There are a few useable features that are pretty cool, ... it's just sometimes hype can be more apparent than the function of it. That's why Im HOPING that in the next version there will be SOMETHING new, and cool... besides tabbed chatting ..:x:x

[Guol]

yeh, thats really retarded of microsoft to do that.

however, i think patchou should get a new sponsor program or something....because so many people install the sponsor (and yes i know its their fault etc etc), but then microsoft wouldnt have a reason to do this in the first place :angry:

[Homer]

Well I don't know what is packaged with msgplus on the spyware point of view any longer as the one and only time I accidentally installed it, it REALLY boned my install.

IE got hacked to hell, and it altered the core OS as well, and bombarded me with all manner of popups.

I ended up reformatting as no matter what I tried the system was hosed. I still use msgplus but I utterly detest the adware.

Good on MS, but they shouldn't target the program, they need to work with the program and slap the adware silly.

[DarkCircuit]

yeh, thats really retarded of microsoft to do that.

however, i think patchou should get a new sponsor program or something....because so many people install the sponsor (and yes i know its their fault etc etc), but then microsoft wouldnt have a reason to do this in the first place  :angry:

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I realy dont think MS is DOING anything DIRECTED at Plus!.

Patch's program wont be the only one affected by stricter anti-crapware policy.

MS is actually doing their job for once.

[tomwarren Veteran]

Just asked Microsoft for a response, expect something main page once they've responded

[DarkCircuit]

Just asked Microsoft for a response, expect something main page once they've responded

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I think it warrants it, but Im betting 2 to 1 that the response will be something like .. we intend on working with him blah blah to discuss how our two companies can make your online experience even better blah blah..

Hrmph.

[AbandonedTrolley]

i used this plus crap before and didnt expect it to come with spyware so didnt untick the box(dumb me) was really annoyed with what it installed and think i ended up formatting. Never touched plus again

glad ms has flagged it tbh :)

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On the latest versions of MSG Plus the easiest way to uninstall any Adware you install by mistake is to go to Control Panel and select Uninstall MSG Plus, it will then give you the option to just unistall the Adware :) . If you use something like Ad-aware to try removing it, then the next way is to RE-install MSG Plus WITH the Ad-ware then Uninstall them via the Controll Panel :)

It's not rocket science and when half the people on here claim to be technically minded and then have a go at their own mistakes, it makes me laugh ;)

[Louis]

[golazo]

good, it was the devil anyway

[DarkCircuit]

It's not rocket science and when half the people on here claim to be technically minded and then have a go at their own mistakes, it makes me laugh?;))

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Keep in mind little trolley,

that not everyones system reacts the same way. Yes, it is simple to now remove the adaware included with it, but in many of the previous builds, this was not that simple. In fact, even in the more recent versions the adaware would seem to leave pieces of itself even after the installer uninstalled it.

Running Adaware, or other program to remove the remainder is fine but I really dont think youve ever encountered the self replicating crap that ended up on some peoples machines causing them to get so confused that a format was the only option to keep them sane.

Messing around with the registry for a noob is like telling a short order cook to make you snail saute on your breaded lamb. Its just confusing, and can lead to even more problems.

As well, why should I have to be extra careful when installing a program to make sure I dont muck up and install a piece of crap, that will cuse me to go through a whole un-install, re-install, adaware scan, etc ...

I understand what your saying, but dont try and tell me that youve never had to use HiJack this.

Oh yea, ... and XXXOOO.

:laugh::

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Well, Patchou took the decision to bundle the ad-ware with an option to install it. As such, he must have weighed up the pro's and con's. One "con" is that surely somewhere some software would recognise this and cause concern.

And let's face it - the software (however useful) does kinda hack into MSN. A decent spyware detection routine SHOULD flag this up as being "worth a look".

[Denis W. Veteran]

On the latest versions of MSG Plus the easiest way to uninstall any Adware you install by mistake is to go to Control Panel and select Uninstall MSG Plus, it will then give you the option to just unistall the Adware :) . If you use something like Ad-aware to try removing it, then the next way is to RE-install MSG Plus WITH the Ad-ware then Uninstall them via the Controll Panel :)

It's not rocket science and when half the people on here claim to be technically minded and then have a go at their own mistakes, it makes me laugh?;))

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The point is that many people have one instinct when they encounter suspicious behaviour on their system - fire up their antivirus and spyware remover.

Spyware removers (i.e. Ad-aware, Spybot, MS Antispyware) usually do a good job in removing BS from your system. Unfortunately in a few cases it doesn't, this being one of them. You can't blame users for being stupid by using spyware removers instead of Messenger Plus's installer.

Also I'd like to make a point: from msghelp.net, in the thread with instructions to remove this crap:

If you entered the code properly, the program will ask you to confirm that you want to uninstall. You must answer "Yes" to this question, else, you won't have another chance of uninstalling.

What kind of uninstaller prevents you from getting a second chance to uninstall it? And the fact that you need to enter a verification code (oh yeah, to prevent scripts from uninstalling it, like we need permission to uninstall it when it got onto our systems WITHOUT our permission) is completely stupid.

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That's exactly my point. Why aren't people complaining about Messenger's install? Then people will wonder why their home web page changed and why the toolbar is in IE.

[.Atlantis]

I highly doubt they have targeted Patchou's software directly, this software has tweened many people over to MSN Messenger, and allowed many more downloads because of it. This program helps functionalise MSN Messenger, and as shown above, MS are glad of this, and are wanting to work with Patchou. You people need to stop jumping the gun, and recognise this has nothing to do with Patchou's software, more-so to do with the adware he supplies with it, and as people have stated this adware is extremely hard to rid of; hense the high threat.

[DarkCircuit]

Well said.

With that, I dont think this thread should be argued to death.

It's a silly argument.

Here are the facts.

1. Messenger Plus! is bundled with Adware.

2. Adware is bad

3. Microsoft has a Beta Anti Adware program that looks for Adware, and Spyware.

4. When Microsofts program encounters Patchou's Messenger Puls!, it finds yon Adware.

5. Microsofts Program gives you options, and advises that you remove the Adware filled program.

6. Patchou Bitches about Microsofts product working correctly.

7. Patchou is going to Redmond to talk with Microsoft about his program.

8. Adware is still bad

9. Microsofts agents are going to bend Patchou over their knee and give him a cofee enema for making such an annoying program.

10. Adware is still bad.

These are not my ideas .. just facts. Dont shoot the Messenger ... unless he's carrying Plus! on his back ...

[madnuke]

Ive know this for months, this is not really new.

[revvo]

i used this plus crap before and didnt expect it to come with spyware so didnt untick the box(dumb me) was really annoyed with what it installed and think i ended up formatting. Never touched plus again

glad ms has flagged it tbh :)

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You said it yourself "dumb me".

You accepted the Terms of Agreement and agreed to install the sponsor. Unlike a lot of crap on the web that makes you install adware, MSGPlus actually gives us the choice and you people still bitch because you're all blind while blindly and impatiently clicking the [NEXT] button.

Maybe if you people took the time to read, people in average would have less ad/spyware installed on their PCs?

[THE BAT]

How is messenger plus spyware! Its just because it modifies one of their programs, I think. They should just leave it alone.

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yah

:rolleyes: