oddcrap Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 This software is known as the 'warden client'. It is downloaded on the fly from Blizzard's servers, and it runs about every 15 seconds and is designed to verify compliance with a EULA/TOS. Here is what it does, about every 15 seconds, to about 4.5 million people (500,000 of which are logged on at any given time). The warden dumps all the DLL's using a ToolHelp API call. It reads information from every DLL loaded in the 'world of warcraft' executable process space. No big deal. The warden then uses the GetWindowTextA function to read the window text in the titlebar of every window. These are windows that are not in the WoW process, but any program running on your computer. Now a Big Deal. I watched the warden sniff down the email addresses of people I was communicating with on MSN, the URL of several websites that I had open at the time, and the names of all my running programs, including those that were minimized or in the toolbar. These strings can easily contain social security numbers or credit card numbers, for example, if I have Microsoft Excel or Quickbooks open w/ my personal finances at the time. From all this info Blizzard decides to ban you ... or not. For example, if you have a window titled 'WoW!Inmate' - regardless of what that window really does, it could result in a ban. If you can't believe it, make a dummy window that does nothing at all and name it this, then start WoW. It certainly will result in warden reporting you as a cheater. Rootkit Blog Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhnz Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Ouch! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddcrap Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) anyone confirm this as true?seems pretty bad 586657391[/snapback] Sais some blogs. Edited October 11, 2005 by oddcrap Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
santiagof4 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Oh damn! :crazy: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 anyone confirm this as true? seems pretty bad Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaneSparky_YYZ Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Wow, if this is true then this is really bad and I can hear the lawsuits screaming now.. lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzbling Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 I don't have a problem with this. It's in place to keep the hackers and not so legitimate people out of the game, and from ruining others gaming experiance. I have nothing to worry about, and you shouldn't either if your following the rules. Blizzard has already stated many times that they are not collecting personal info nor handing it out to anyone. Besides, if I am entering in credit card numbers and my social security number while playing a game over the internet, I should be rethinking my tactics and need some help in internet eddicate. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soham Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 wow is gone from my pc Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Wow im glad i dont have WoW:) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. This is about 3 months old. 2. Yes it is true. 3. You agree to it when you install the game and agree to the EULA/ToU. 4. It doesn't do anything that Punkbuster and similar anti-cheat programs does not do. 5. It doesn't record anything except for the window titles. End thread. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyre Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Didn't Blizzard get in trouble a few years back for acquiring information about people's computers without their permission? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLaughingMan Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Are they allow to do that? I mean thats crazy if it's really is true. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuBar. Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 After updates, you see a check box saying about sending anonymous information to Blizzard. I never did check it, but ever since, they removed it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzbling Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. This is about 3 months old.2. Yes it is true. 3. You agree to it when you install the game and agree to the EULA/ToU. 4. It doesn't do anything that Punkbuster and similar anti-cheat programs does not do. 5. It doesn't record anything except for the window titles. End thread. 586657426[/snapback] Great point. It's prudent that all players read the EULA/ToU before playing the game, or any other game for that matter. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
john johnson Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 shocking, but i dont play WoW so... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 *changes MSN name to WoW!Inmate* Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleck79 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 this is going to cause a sh*tstorm if it's true. I don't have WoW but was thinking of getting it. Is any of this disclosed in the EULA/TOS? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeboy Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) I dont like wow, lineage 2 is much much better IMO, ive played them both Edited October 11, 2005 by mikeboy Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddcrap Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. This is about 3 months old.2. Yes it is true. 3. You agree to it when you install the game and agree to the EULA/ToU. 4. It doesn't do anything that Punkbuster and similar anti-cheat programs does not do. 5. It doesn't record anything except for the window titles. End thread. 586657426[/snapback] 1. No it's not, they released 1.8 TODAY. https://www.neowin.net/comments.php?category=gamers&id=30964 2. Well.. obviously? 3. You don't agree to them knowing anything personal about you. 4. I would think twice before saying that. 5. Go read the article completely. The thread isn't getting closed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin-uk Veteran Posted October 11, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 11, 2005 (edited) wow, thats not good :| (no pun intended lol). Edited October 11, 2005 by Colin-uk Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexcyn Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Umm ... this was released in the 1.5 patch, it's NOT new to the 1.8 patch. And as an added point, when 1.5 came out, this was included in the EULA, so whoever clicked 'accept', you basically are allowing them to do this. (Which is everyone who wants to play the game.) It's not all bad either. It's not as though Blizzard is sifting through all of this data. They have an automated process for checking hash numbers. If anyone honestly thinks they could store EVERYONE's data who plays this game, you are off your rocker. They simply check & compare hash values to known hacks ... that's all. This is no worse than Punkbuster. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted October 11, 2005 Veteran Share Posted October 11, 2005 Oh dear :s Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. No it's not, they released 1.8 TODAY. https://www.neowin.net/comments.php?category=gamers&id=30964 2. Well.. obviously? 3. You don't agree to them knowing anything personal about you. 4. I would think twice before saying that. 5. Go read the article completely. The thread isn't getting closed. 586657442[/snapback] 1. No, it wasn't in the 1.8 patch. It was in 1.5. The article is wrong. 2. People were asking if it was true. I was confirming. 3. You agree to having your computer scanned. Read it. 4. Punkbuster does the exact same thing. 5. Again the article is wrong. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastique Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 4. It doesn't do anything that Punkbuster and similar anti-cheat programs does not do.End thread. 586657426[/snapback] Pb doesn't scan anything, at least for AAO, that is not in their specific game folder. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
episode Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Pb doesn't scan anything, at least for AAO, that is not in their specific game folder. 586657473[/snapback] Punkbuster checks the other running programs. How do you think it detects cheats? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/383859-world-of-warcraft-is-spyware/#findComment-586657476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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