Firefox Myths

[Chad]

Personal weblogs or webpages are not allowed as the only source for a BPN thread.

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[Pajter]

That's by far the WORST and lamest article I've ever read :laugh:

[fAlCoNNiAn]

WOW! i got opera now (100% free!!) and using it as my main browser!

:rolleyes:

[Brandon]

x 10

It looks more like a promotion of Opera than anything else.

ditto

[Mastertech]

:laugh: A promotion for Opera. :laugh: First it was an IE endorsement? :laugh:

[migo]

Most of that seems like crap.

This because web designers have to spend their time making sure that it works with IE because IE doesn't work to standards. You have to use hacks to get stuff to work in IE that works in every other browser.

The reason for it is irrelevant, the fact is that IE supports more web pages than any other browser.

[d4t4b0mb]

Go back to pawning Diskeeper.

Btw...that AF badge in your avatar, in conjuction with your SN...that's supposed to be amusedly ironic, right? Or are you basing this keen insight off of the "training" you've recieved..? :rolleyes:

[sigloiv]

Actually, most of the points he said were right on the money. Someone mentioned that no one thinks that "Firefox is a solution to spyware". Well, you know all those people that are adopting Firefox and giving it market share? I know those people, and trust me when I say this: they think that Firefox makes them invulnerable (they tell me this as a run two or three spyware applications on their boxes and I clean out hundreds and hundreds instances of spyware and adware).

Also, I've used Firefox for a year and a half and I've used Opera for about two years of off and on. I can say that while Opera doesn't seem to have a better rendering system, it does seem to load stuff from cache at a much faster rate. It's like, whenever I use Firefox everything has to be downloaded again, while when I use Opera it's just there.

Here's the deal with the whole security thing: surf safe. Pr0n ads give you crap. Period. Don't click on "HEY FREE IP0DS CLICK HERE YOU HAXX0R AND GET FREE PLAYSTATION 3!". Done.

I mean, we can all agree that IE is less secure than Firefox and Opera. If you're using one, you're that much safer. Comparing Firefox and Opera on security is just silly. If you go on Secunia one day, one has less vulnerabilities and the next the other is winning again. Just use one, surf safe, and I can assure that you'll be just fine.

I know a lot of you were talking about extensions. I can say that yes, extensions are freaking awesome. I mean, it's just so cool to right-click on an ad and hit Adblock. I use Opera because of the faster rendering, but Adblock alone brought me back to Firefox for awhile. If there's really an extension out there (like Adblock for me) that just provides that much functionality, use Firefox for God's sake. If not, I'd reccommend Opera. If you like simplicity in your Options and so forth, use Firefox. If you really want to be able to control every tiny little thing in your browser (and you don't mind wading through crap to get Java working), use Opera. It all comes down to what your needs are.

So let's end the fanboy stuff and, in the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?" :)

[Zionyx]

Oh noes! The fact is that IE has 85% market share. Then again, if the anti-trust thingy eventuallly goes against microsoft, there might well be a major shift.

I honestly feel like writing a total rebuttal to that article, but really, why bother? Oh yes, I'll be sure to add lots of 'Firefox (STILL 100% free)'.

[h3xis]

i about laughed out loud when it said IE and mozilla were faster than firefox. that's just complete garbage. mozilla has always had a delayed response to everything i do, nuff said. as for IE, i ran a test on 5 computers; firefox was faster at about 3.3 seconds. really, someone needs to invent a way to stab people over the internet because this guy obviously has it coming to him.

[qdave]

haha its propaganda for opera.

i still prefer my ie :p

[curme]

:laugh: A promotion for Opera. :laugh: First it was an IE endorsement? :laugh:

How do you figure? The very first post said it looked like an Opera ad.

[Mike Mayer]

W3C Standards Most Standards Compliant

Myth - "Firefox is the Most Standards Compliant Web Browser"

Reality - Opera (now 100% free) is the most standards compliant Web Browser. - Source

I thought that safari and konqueror were the only fully compliant browsers... something about the acid2 test?

I dunno, but that page reads like mindless propaganda leaning towards opera. Which is a good browser-but so are all the major browsers really... its just preference and up to the individual.

[Mastertech]

All the Opera mentions were added in v1.0.1. In v1.0.0 it was called an IE endorsement. :laugh: It just shows that people need an excuse to ignore the truth.

[Malisk]

Man, that's a pretty bad "dispelling" of myths...

Myth - "Firefox is the Fastest Web Browser"

Reality - Opera (now 100% free) is the fastest Web Browser.

Wrong. Opera has failed in some tests, won in others. It depends on the web site visited, and possibly system setup and resources, and circumstances with general network health at the time of testing. More resources can improve things a lot for a more resource demanding browser, even surpassing another. In short: no way Opera is better in all cases. Disclaimer: I use Opera.

Myth - "Firefox is Faster than Mozilla"

Reality - Ironically Mozilla is faster than Firefox 1.x overall.

Again, this depends on sites visited. Sure, it may be faster in some cases, but Firefox (especially 1.5) has had several improvements not checked into the Mozilla Suite.

Myth - "Firefox is Secure"

Reality - Firefox is anything but Secure (...)

Firefox is more secure than IE though, according to most tests, which this test decides to not show. Security in that case defined by the number of open vulnerabilities. That's usually what people speak of when saying "secure". But sure, it's not 100% secure, however, which browser is?

Myth - "Firefox is the Most Secure Web Browser"

Reality - Opera (now 100% free) is actually the most Secure Web Browser.

Because of browser usage ratios and security testing or not?

Notes - Internet Explorer with Windows XP Service Pack 2 installed provide the exact same level of Spyware security as Firefox.

This is completely false, as IE still allowed ActiveX to be installed. Uninformed users may still opt to install dangerous ActiveX controls. Firefox doesn't even give the option. Hence, there's nothing "exact" about these security levels in particular whatsoever.

Myth - "Firefox is Bug Free"

Myth - "Firefox Blocks all Popups"

Myth - "Firefox was the first Web Browser to offer Tabbed Browsing"

Myth - "Firefox works with every Web Page"

I've never heard these myth anywhere, Neowin or elsewhere. Is he inventing myths to debunk?

Myth - "Firefox is the Most Standards Compliant Web Browser"

Reality - Opera (now 100% free) is the most standards compliant Web Browser.

However, Opera lacks standards Firefox has, and vice versa. In the end, what matters is which browser supports the standards you want it to support. Then pick browser after that.

edit: bold instead of quotes to conserve space

Edited December 27, 2005 by Jugalator

[d4t4b0mb]

Careful, his blog/"guide"/ad revenue source is protected by the DMCA. Might not want to directly quote it. :rolleyes:

[Malisk]

Careful, his blog/"guide"/ad revenue source is protected by the DMCA. Might not want to directly quote it. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and DMCA protects oh so much against quoting... ;)

Only copyright can do when material is copied, but not really in quoting as that should rather be protected by fair use rights. (unless e.g. more like a majority of the material is quoted)

I thought that safari and konqueror were the only fully compliant browsers... something about the acid2 test?

Yeah, but the author of that article is clearly not aware of other browsers than IE, Opera, and Moz/Firefox ;)

Edited December 27, 2005 by Jugalator

[d4t4b0mb]

Yeah, and DMCA protects oh so much against quoting... ;) Not even copyright does.

I know, but still, the disclaimer and warning are at the top. Just wanted everyone to be safe. :p

[Mastertech]

Wrong. Opera has failed in some tests, won in others. It depends on the web site visited, and possibly system setup and resources, and circumstances with general network health at the time of testing. More resources can improve things a lot for a more resource demanding browser, even surpassing another. In short: no way Opera is better in all cases. Disclaimer: I use Opera.

In what test did Firefox v1.5 beat Opera 8 or 9?

Again, this depends on sites visited. Sure, it may be faster in some cases, but Firefox (especially 1.5) has had several improvements not checked into the Mozilla Suite.

This is about SPEED! not improvements.

Security in that case defined by the number of open vulnerabilities. That's usually what people speak of when saying "secure". But sure, it's not 100% secure, however, which browser is?

Right... When people say secure they really mean the browser has had 26 vulnerabilities, 6 of which were highly rated and still has 3 unpatched? Sure they do. :rolleyes:

Because of browser usage ratios and security testing or not?

:laugh: You are kidding right?

This is completely false, as IE still allowed ActiveX to be installed. Uninformed users may still opt to install dangerous ActiveX controls. Firefox doesn't even give the option. Hence, there's nothing "exact" about these security levels in particular whatsoever.

No it is there option to. This is no different then installing spyware from a browser link in Firefox.

I've never heard these myth anywhere, Neowin or elsewhere. Is he inventing myths to debunk?

Since you don't represent the whole Internet we will leave it at that.

[hotwire]

I hate how FF still can't properly resize embedded .wmv files.

yea i couldn't agree more on that issue.

also sometimes playing a simple .wmv file bumps up the cpu % usage to 70%.

other than that, i couldn't say more about FF being the best browser out there.

have u guys ever click on a link from software and if you are using IE. In some case, one window will be directed to that page. And if you already typed something within. You might lose all those data. FF always had this issue until now or v1.5. so that's definitely a positive.

[Stunna]

Actually, most of the points he said were right on the money. Someone mentioned that no one thinks that "Firefox is a solution to spyware". Well, you know all those people that are adopting Firefox and giving it market share? I know those people, and trust me when I say this: they think that Firefox makes them invulnerable (they tell me this as a run two or three spyware applications on their boxes and I clean out hundreds and hundreds instances of spyware and adware).

Also, I've used Firefox for a year and a half and I've used Opera for about two years of off and on. I can say that while Opera doesn't seem to have a better rendering system, it does seem to load stuff from cache at a much faster rate. It's like, whenever I use Firefox everything has to be downloaded again, while when I use Opera it's just there.

Here's the deal with the whole security thing: surf safe. Pr0n ads give you crap. Period. Don't click on "HEY FREE IP0DS CLICK HERE YOU HAXX0R AND GET FREE PLAYSTATION 3!". Done.

I mean, we can all agree that IE is less secure than Firefox and Opera. If you're using one, you're that much safer. Comparing Firefox and Opera on security is just silly. If you go on Secunia one day, one has less vulnerabilities and the next the other is winning again. Just use one, surf safe, and I can assure that you'll be just fine.

I know a lot of you were talking about extensions. I can say that yes, extensions are freaking awesome. I mean, it's just so cool to right-click on an ad and hit Adblock. I use Opera because of the faster rendering, but Adblock alone brought me back to Firefox for awhile. If there's really an extension out there (like Adblock for me) that just provides that much functionality, use Firefox for God's sake. If not, I'd reccommend Opera. If you like simplicity in your Options and so forth, use Firefox. If you really want to be able to control every tiny little thing in your browser (and you don't mind wading through crap to get Java working), use Opera. It all comes down to what your needs are.

So let's end the fanboy stuff and, in the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?" :)

agreed

but where can i get this adblock thing you speak of for firefox?

[tylerk]

Was I the only person who fell for those subliminal messages and got opera? :whistle:

ROFL.. im afraid sooo... *tear* hahahaha

[eth3l]

ROFL.. im afraid sooo... *tear* hahahaha

I have used Opera for years solely for its fantastic use of tabs. Firefox poorly implements tabs. Plus, Opera does a MUCH better job of blocking pop ups, any that do come through are opened in a background page.

Opera does not get as much credit as it deserves. I will admit that the web developer for Firefox is a great tool.

[xpgeek]

Opera fanboy, was a good read if in need of a laugh.

[tylerk]

I have used Opera for years solely for its fantastic use of tabs. Firefox poorly implements tabs. Plus, Opera does a MUCH better job of blocking pop ups, any that do come through are opened in a background page.

Opera does not get as much credit as it deserves. I will admit that the web developer for Firefox is a great tool.

i have used both Firefox and Opera.. but they never have truely stuck with me like Internet Explorer .. and i used the other browsers for a couple of months at a time.

Opera is underrated, but i don't know.. IE just feels better to me, and with IE 7 comming it will be much better, But i guess to each his own right ? :)