ObiWanToby Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Even before reading this, I still think Opera is the better browser. If only more webmasters supported Opera. Heck even Microsoft supports opera on www.live.com (Opera 9 Preview 1 at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oompa Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Most of that seems like crap. This because web designers have to spend their time making sure that it works with IE because IE doesn't work to standards. You have to use hacks to get stuff to work in IE that works in every other browser. Yep as a web designer I code for Firefox and hack for IE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted December 27, 2005 Veteran Share Posted December 27, 2005 One problem with this article is too many of the points are vague. The points only expose the negative side of Firefox, and only uncovers the postitive side of Opera, without noting its flaws whatsoever. For instance: "Firefox works with every page" - as an Opera user, I can strongly attest there are more broken pages that show up in Opera versus Firefox. Does this mean Opera sucks? Definitely not. I can always view that page in Firefox and IE. Opera is my preferred (note: preferred, not ONLY) browser because of its built in features and speed, and because I already have the browser customized to my needs. Knowing that, I can see how you're trying to silence some rampant FF fanboys who think their browser is the alpha and the omega of the web. Like some people here who instantly dismiss the entire article as trash. :rolleyes: It's best you refrain from continuing such articles like this, else you're lowering yourself to the same level as these fanboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Suraci Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Most of the points are pretty moot IMO. I honestly don't care if firefox loads pages 1.30298341872304 ms slower than opera; the interface is like 10x friendlier (I mean, have you ever tried configuring the browsing buttons/tabs/address bar in opera? ..in firefox you can just drag and drop them and have them perfectly arranged in a matter of seconds, while I just could not figure out how to get the address bar above the tabs and whatnot). Ironically you use the exact same method as you would use with Firefox. Drag and drop. :rolleyes: I could care less if it's an Opera ad (No, not "add"), as long as the information is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheese Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Firefox is secure. My company switched a few months ago from IE to FF and we haven't had a single case of 'spyware' or 'adware' due to ActiveX Controllers. Now don't get me wrong, people have still gone and downloaded 'crap,' but it hasn't been because the browser was stupid (IE), but more because the user didn't really know what s/he was downloading. Firefox has cut down though on the amount of spyware/adware cases we've seen though. While you're other points were somewhat valid, that is just completely flawed. You can't blame 'crap' being downloaded in firefox on the stupidity of the user and then 'crap' being downloaded in IE on the stupidity of the browser. A computer is only as smart as the person using it. I use Maxthon (uses IE engine) every day, and the other day I downloaded SpyBot and scanned my pc for the first time since I installed windows (2 months ago). It came out absolutely clean. And also, I don't see why employees at your company would be going on websites that deliver spyware. Maybe thats something you should look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d4t4b0mb Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 agreed but where can i get this adblock thing you speak of for firefox? It's on the extensions page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E t h a n Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 I agree. I have tried IE and Opera, and they're both on my computer. But I like Firefox, and I don't care if all the myths aren't "true". Myths are cool, like me. :cool: Thanks MasterTech for writing your blog, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaekwad2 Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Myth - "Firefox is Bug Free" Myth - "Firefox Blocks all Popups" Myth - "Firefox was the first Web Browser to offer Tabbed Browsing" Myth - "Firefox works with every Web Page" I've never heard these myth anywhere, Neowin or elsewhere. Is he inventing myths to debunk? 2 words: straw man @all the people who said it's an Opera ad: Did you read (or at least scroll) all the way to the bottom? It's an Avant Browser ad! :laugh: (or did he edit it again?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted December 27, 2005 Author Share Posted December 27, 2005 No it is an IE, Opera, Avant Browser Ad!!! :laugh: Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopyaedoff Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Right... When people say secure they really mean the browser has had 26 vulnerabilities, 6 of which were highly rated and still has 3 unpatched? Sure they do. :rolleyes: Erm... I thought that Mozilla fixed most of those in FF 1.0.6 (I remeber that it only took a day or so from the exploits being anounced to Mozilla fixing the exploits) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuku. Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 This Mastertech guy posts this same thread on almost every tech forum I've seen - he's a pure and bred troll. On R3D it was quickly locked - cross posting on every forum is nothing short of spam, especially when his own purpose is to promote his own site (possibly for ad-revenue) or trying to incite flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisbaer Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 LOL - looks like spam, reads like spam --- is spam :) --- at least imho !! I wonder why you need to be a fan of any particular browser anyhow -- use what you like ... that way you can only be angry with yourself if anything goes wrong or you can be happy and please with your decision if all goes well !! Oh, and wonder whether anyone noticed the multiple references to Opera as the better browser --- free advertising --- ??! (Just being obnoxious here :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecableguy Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Most of those "Myths" I didn't even think were true and the rest are just BS. That is blatently an Opera advert, note the number of times it says "Opera (Now 100% free)." yeah I know wtf opera... :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 But he recommends avant browser at the end. I recommend and use Avant Browser, the best of all worlds.AvantBrowser Avant Browser - Download - Home Page A custom Internet Explorer based browser that utilizes the Internet Explorer Engine for 99.99% web page compatibility and features all the new features of Firefox and Opera. It has a Built-in Pop-up Blocker, Flash Animation Filter, Tabbed Browsing, Built-in Search Engine, Built-in RSS/ATOM Reader, Safe Recovery Feature, User Friendly Interface and Full 100% IE Compatibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidtherat Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Oh, and wonder whether anyone noticed the multiple references to Opera as the better browser --- free advertising --- ??! (Just being obnoxious here oh sherlock, you are sooo smart... have you read this actualy? last sentence of his art is: 'i use and recommend avant browser..' it doesnt sound as an opera advert. and problem with so many opera links is.. that well.. opera is better than most ff users think [as they never went past 'i dont like it, because it is not ff' phase] and some of these links are just true. maybe all, maybe only some. i dont know. but i wont trash it all, because 'im a ff user, and i know better' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernova_00 Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 not even going to bother reading that since it does not back any of it's claims. pos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1759 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I prefer FF, but I like Opera's speed, but I miss the extensions I have for FF after I use Opera, plus, Opera doesn't work for crap on some secure sites. If I have to use IE, I use Maxthon instead. FF and Opera are both memory hogs, it's not hard for either browser to hit over 100 MB. If FF could get tnear to the same rendering speed as Opera, it would be close to perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Wow and no mention of extensions, the single sole reason why 90% of people choose firefox over anything else... Also the fact that even with the bugs of IE millions of people still used it regardless, a single page showing FF myths will not change users from using FF now. Although it is a interesting read it's nothing that hasn't been known for a while. It's nothing major too if the avergae user has common sense. Yep i use firefox for the extensions, cant live without them, IE will never have the kind of extensions firefox has and ive heard from real developers that FF extensions are easier to make than ANY add on for internet explorer. dont expect these factors to change. which is why i wont go back to ie (except for windows update.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaffra Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 funny article, but ive already switched to opera. I dont like hunting for extensions and then have huge memory/compatibility issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 Erm... I thought that Mozilla fixed most of those in FF 1.0.6 (I remeber that it only took a day or so from the exploits being anounced to Mozilla fixing the exploits)In Firefox v1.5 - 3 vulnerbilities are still unpatched and one is only partially patched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lardiop Veteran Posted December 28, 2005 Veteran Share Posted December 28, 2005 Definitely an Opera++ site. (Now 100% free!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp10558 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Most of the points are pretty moot IMO. I honestly don't care if firefox loads pages 1.30298341872304 ms slower than opera; the interface is like 10x friendlier (I mean, have you ever tried configuring the browsing buttons/tabs/address bar in opera? ..in firefox you can just drag and drop them and have them perfectly arranged in a matter of seconds, while I just could not figure out how to get the address bar above the tabs and whatnot). Can I put the tabs on the bottom of the screen? Definitely an Opera++ site. (Now 100% free!) I thought so too - but then he advocates using Advant Browser???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8er_boi6000 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Anyone with any tech savvy will know all of those facts already. Not that this will ever silence the firefox fanboys out there. Maybe he is a troll, and he may not back his facts up, but what he says is actually true, and anyone but a Firefox fanboy will admit so, and i personally think he leaned more on the side of IE than Opera anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancity001 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Lol, a good read and a good laugh. I love how non specific all of the Myths, and the answers to them were. The funny thing is, if he actually wanted to silence FF fanboys (i use opera and FF and IE) he would have included actual facts. I think he pulled most of this stuff out of his ass, then found the first website that would back up his vague and non-descriptive claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 Which is not an actual Fact or an actual Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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