Opera 9 TP2 Released!

[Kev1n]

I still prefer firefox with its extensions.

[RootWind]

Ah no, my favorite feature from TP1 is gone. :(

In the address bar, a star appeared after the page was loaded, just clicked on that and it would create a bookmark. But not no more... :(

Another thing, how do I import my passwords from TP1 into TP2?

I think they moved it because people were complaining about the star. :|

[-T- Member]

I still prefer firefox with its extensions.

ok great, couldn't be happier for you. I prefer Opera and TP2 is great so far, I like the changes and new features, even the error pges are nicer now.

[turkishdelight]

Though I don't use Opera very often, I like this preview release :)

Oh, but there's something to be said about this rather embarrasing typo.

[Emon]

At last it has XSLT support. Although they must have done something with their CSS support. Check this (http://cs.winona.edu) site in Opera 9.

[Doli]

Though I don't use Opera very often, I like this preview release :)

Oh, but there's something to be said about this rather embarrasing typo.

The 0 just means your turning off visiting addresses or dont use "history" at all.

[komplexnous]

It's very nice, but you have GOT TO BE KIDDING!! Opera STILL has not fixed the problem with saving an image using right click while allowing pop-ups to come out like other browsers...wow... This problem is just too annoying for me. :( I really am sad; I would switch if this damn problem was fixed! Maybe the problem with videos is still there, too, though... :( I'm still checking it out...

*edit* LOL! Hey, whaddya know, the videos crashing Opera is STILL there! Go to MTV.com, and go to say, Radiohead, and try to play a video... Also, Opera still can't put an image on the desktop without terribly distorting it. eek! ...I should say this: Firefox can't play the videos either, BUT at least they don't crash the browser (and good old IE tab comes in handy for sites like MTV.com videos)!

Edited February 8, 2006 by komplexnous

[Quillz]

I think he was referring to the fact that "addresses" is misspelled.

[Hankyone]

wtf it doesn't import my opml :huh:

TP1 did...

[MacOSXMan]

It was very hesistant at loading sites, was very slow and froze, and I got a very fast cable connection and an AMD! I uninstalled it just as quick as I installed it! You still can't arrange the toolbars as well as Firefox, nice try but no thanks. I'll stick with SeaMonkey and Firefox, they work fine for me! (IMO) Sad to say but I even found IE 7 beta better then this!

Too bad Konqueror browser isn't written for Windows XP :(

[Favorable7404]

The 0 just means your turning off visiting addresses or dont use "history" at all.

No, the typo. It shows that they have done a great change to this version.

And the flickr photos don't show up, just a slot. :(

[Doli]

No, the typo. It shows that they have done a great change to this version.

And the flickr photos don't show up, just a slot. :(

ok i didnt catch that typo, but flickr works for me...ahh the internet, what a pain in the...

[arrrgh]

How on earth does one delete Address bar history in Opera? ..apparently clearing history doesn't really clear history, this is a borderline security/privacy issue. I surely wasn't expecting to find typed in addresses in the address bar after clicking clear history.

As far as I can see the only way to get rid of the typed in addresses is to use the delete private data wizard, which seems mighty complicated for such ordinary functionality.

[morgs]

Unfortunately for all of us Canadians, the Presidents Choice Financial website still doesn't display correctly!

Aside from that, I am very impressed with this release!

[PrimoTurbo]

It?s nice, however I uninstalled it back in firefox. A couple of things:

- No way to make firefox tab close order even with buttons and mouse gestures not the same, trust me I tried.

- Renders sites kind of odd

- After uninstall messed up some icons, had to do some registry edits

- Closed source, no development

[Denis W. Veteran]

How do you get that menu? I know that there is menu like that which pops up when you hold the right mouse button and scroll, however I can't seem to get the preview images to show up.

Type this into the address bar, and tick the box:

opera:config#UserPrefs|UseThumbnailsinWindowCycle

I like how it's implemented. It looks like they rushed this feature into this preview as they forgot to stick a nice toolbar background onto it. :whistle:

- Closed source, no development

No development? Closed source doesn't always mean no development. You probably meant that development isn't as interactive with the community and as fast paced as open source - fair enough. There's pros and cons to both closed and open source.

[Crazysah]

Awsome! I am downloading it currently and then I am going to play around with it!

[HawkMan]

- No way to make firefox tab close order even with buttons and mouse gestures not the same, trust me I tried.

Huh ? I have no idea what you're talking about, but Opera,unlike firefox switches tabs correctly. while firefox' tab managements sucks and

allways switches to the left one when you close or mininmize a tab, wich can only slightly be fixed with extensions like FLST. Opera switches all tabs in a last used history.

- Renders sites kind of odd

Opera renders sites correctly according to code. for any modern sites following html/xhtml standards they shoudl be correct. but lots of sites still checkbrowser names, and send garbage to Opera. or do like Nintento and just won't even let you view the site in opera...

- After uninstall messed up some icons, had to do some registry edits

Opera is contained in it's own folders and registry entries so I find this hard to believe, and I've never had any problems like this. and the only icons it would affect would be files associated with Opera that open in opera. wich would switch back when you set another browser to default.

- Closed source, no development

Not a bad thing. in my experiance closed source, at least from an actual company, means you get profssion well written and efficient code. Take FF for example. they have to fix security holes on a regular basis, thei memory management is beyond non existent. the code is also slow and "bloated"(I don't meanbloated by features here, just inefficent and to big for what it does).

Meanwhile Opera, uses less memory for far more features, it's opens faster, it renders faster, it switches tabs and history faster. and it has several built in features wich you with firefox would need to get separate programs. and all this in a far more installer and install.

Openm source is great and all that, but not even 0.01% of the users of popular open source programs ever even look at the code or know what open source is, and only a few ever do anythgin about it. And even so to have changed implemented in the release code, it has to be scrutinized and checked and tested and implemented by the develeoper team. whereas just suggestting the change and having the closed source dev team code the function , would most likely use less developer resources and be faster. and the develeopers would know the code far better and be able to implement it far more efficiently to the codebase.

Comparing Opera and FireFox, you see the clear advantage of havign closed source and how much better code you get from actually havign paid developers who work in a company they know they can trust and take care of them.

As for the whole extension thing.... well considering how much problems extension cause with eachother and with the existing memory holes, Opera themselves have said they won't be implementing extensions, bu Might in the future make something similar, but they have to make sure they can make something safe and efficient to contain them first. so they don't go crazy on your resources, and crash the browser like FF extensions like to do.

Just to start with we can mention the FF Flashmemory leak wich casues FF to use ALL your system memory (500 phsyical and 500 virtual is regular after afew hours use, but I've seenover 900 physical usage).

[.Neo]

Opera uses a custom GUI drawing engine.

Yeah so? That still means the browser doesn't make use of any Mac OS X technologies.

[Quillz]

Not only have extensions never made Firefox unstable for me, I've never had Firefox crash on me at all. I agree that closed source has its advantages, but I think you underestimated the value of open source software slightly. I'd like to know where you got the 0.01% statistics. It sounds to me like you simply made that up to make your pro-Opera statements stronger.

I prefer Opera myself, but base your arguments on concrete, sourced facts.

[carpediem]

It's nice, however I uninstalled it back in firefox. A couple of things:

- No way to make firefox tab close order even with buttons and mouse gestures not the same, trust me I tried.

- Renders sites kind of odd

- After uninstall messed up some icons, had to do some registry edits

- Closed source, no development

You can, almost, make coffee with Opera. Here's a solution to your "problem".

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1342675

Renders correctly acording to CSS compliance... Blame the authors of the pages if they can't code with standards.

Closed source = no development? You have got to be kidding. There is NO browser that is developed quicker than Opera right now. They are progressing really fast and come up with some nice innovative features as well... FF development is rather slow in my oppinion.

Just discovered how easy it is to change/add Autocomplete server name.... like CTRL+ENTER = http://www. .com in IE.

Preferences -> Advanced -> Shortcuts -> Keyboard Setup -> Edit -> Advanced -> Address dropdown widget ->

modify "enter ctrl", or/and add your own to for example make "enter shift" do -> http://www. .net

:)

[alsiladka]

Any way to increase the size of the Tab previews?

[HawkMan]

Not only have extensions never made Firefox unstable for me, I've never had Firefox crash on me at all. I agree that closed source has its advantages, but I think you underestimated the value of open source software slightly. I'd like to know where you got the 0.01% statistics. It sounds to me like you simply made that up to make your pro-Opera statements stronger.

I prefer Opera myself, but base your arguments on concrete, sourced facts.

The most common problems extensions cause, outside of slowdwons and memory use, is that when you close FireFox, 9 of 10 times it won't actually close, ti appears to close but it'll remain in memory and as a running process. and you have to kill the process.

the percentage.. yeah I may have exxagarated. Do you know anyone who actually lokos at the code, or even more, actually modifies the code ?

I know a lot of people, and even on the IT university I went to, not a single of the programmer peopel, including me, ever looked or changed the firefox code. now how likely is it that regular users look at the source code, or even knows it's Open Source,or what that even means.

OpenSource is a buzzword, used mostly by the Semi knowhow peopel who liek to think they know a lot abotu IT. wich act like you, they say OpenSource is oh so great and you can modify the code like you wish and EVERYONE works on fixing the bugs. whenin reality they have never even looked at the code themselves, and there's a sad few people in reality actually doing code work, and then it's Disorganized, just ebcaus it's OpenSource.

Or do youhonestly think that even 1% of all those firefox users are Good programmers who ever enjoy working on the Firefox code ? If so you're sadly deluded.

[Pallab]

The content blocker is really nice.

[Fotix]

Nice browser with nice improvements, though being a preview there's some flaws in this build. Opera freezes and locks-up at this page, for example, every time here.