Intel beats AMD with new CPU! Hell FrozeN?

[Fred Derf Veteran]

Sweet. Is the Conroe a P4? Are they ever going to do a P5?

The Intel Core Microarchitecture is Intel's new processor architecture. Announced in Q1 2006, to be released later in the year, it will replace the old NetBurst and Pentium M microarchitectures.

The architecture features low power usage, multiple cores, Virtualization Technology, and EM64T.

The first processors that will use this architecture are code-named Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest; Merom is for mobile computing, Conroe is for desktop systems, and Woodcrest, which is expected to feature the most cores and technologies of all those processors, is for servers.

According to industry reports, the Pentium name will be retired with the introduction of Conroe, Merom and Woodcrest.

On 7 March 2006, at IDF Intel announced the official name of this microarchitecture to be the Intel Core Microarchitecture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Next_Ge...croarchitecture

[majortom1981]

The conroe will be cheaper than what the newest amd out at that time will cost.

Remember the benchmarks compared what will be intels medium line processor vs what will be amd's top of the line processor.

The extreme edition of the conroe will be the top of the line processor by then.

Also the conroe is supposed to produce a lot less heat.

by that time I should be building a new computer. If the conroe is out and cheaper then the competing amd then i will buy it simple as that. If amd's processor is cheaper and offers the same performance i will buy that.

But their is a lot of false information going around here.

[RootWind]

I like how all the Intel fans (myself Included) said that Intel would bounce back like all good companies do. I also remember all the AMD pets not being able to come to grips with this.

Owned

If Intel didn't bounce back it would be the stupidest (and most wasteful) company on the planet.

Intel is more than 7 times bigger than AMD.

While Intel was behind (2.5 years), they spent $15 billion on research & development (large portion still on CPUs). More than 5 times what AMD spent, and in total, more than what AMD is worth as a company.

[Liquid]

Intel has taken a lesson from its mobiles chips (Pentium M, CoreDuo) that just pumping more power and increasing the clock speed isn't doing it. Go intel, can't wait for these.

[freeeekyyy]

So you're saying the Athlon64 series runs hotter than the P4? I wonder... 30 degrees Celsius vs 50.

dL

Athlon 64 runs cooler than the latest P4s...but, historically, AMDs have been the stovetops. Its not all about what's available right now, but the reputation that the company has had over a long period of time. Intels reputation is much better than AMDs.

[ahhell]

Athlon 64 runs cooler than the latest P4s...but, historically, AMDs have been the stovetops. Its not all about what's available right now, but the reputation that the company has had over a long period of time. Intels reputation is much better than AMDs.

Well said.

[Michael_C]

Athlon 64 runs cooler than the latest P4s...but, historically, AMDs have been the stovetops. Its not all about what's available right now, but the reputation that the company has had over a long period of time. Intels reputation is much better than AMDs.

Exactly, my Athlon XP 1900+ runs about 30 degrees© above room temperature with the srock HSF, my Athlon64 3200+ runs only about 2 degrees above room temperature.

[qdave]

fianlly intel managed to do something good. always liked intel more then amd, however i am extremely happy with my amd64 3200+ :p

[revvo]

THe deal with Skype isn't anticompetitive. It's very competitive. AMD should try to get skype to cancel, or cut their own deals, instead of whining about it.

And this is why you will never be a business man. You fail at logic.

You're saying it's competitive to not allow the competition face the company in a certain piece of software? This is why we have antitrust laws but sadly these deals still make their way through but I got a feeling AMD will win in their lawsuit against Intel on this one.

The problem is that Skype makes you think that only Intel CPU's can allow 10-way conference. Heres where it doesn't make sense. In 2-3 years, will AMD cpus still be insufficient? or 5 years, try 10 for that matter? There's no logic behind this kind of statement. They're indirectly saying "We favor Intel because they give us a lot of money so AMD users buzz off".

You can't just make a deal like that with a company that their products have been previously used by all users who had hardware seen as equal and then all of a sudden, penalise one manufacturer by making a stupid claim without any technical information given to support it.

That's competition for you? Clearly you have no clue of true and fair competition.

[freeeekyyy]

And this is why you will never be a business man. You fail at logic.

You're saying it's competitive to not allow the competition face the company in a certain piece of software? This is why we have antitrust laws but sadly these deals still make their way through but I got a feeling AMD will win in their lawsuit against Intel on this one.

The problem is that Skype makes you think that only Intel CPU's can allow 10-way conference. Heres where it doesn't make sense. In 2-3 years, will AMD cpus still be insufficient? or 5 years, try 10 for that matter? There's no logic behind this kind of statement. They're indirectly saying "We favor Intel because they give us a lot of money so AMD users buzz off".

You can't just make a deal like that with a company that their products have been previously used by all users who had hardware seen as equal and then all of a sudden, penalise one manufacturer by making a stupid claim without any technical information given to support it.

That's competition for you? Clearly you have no clue of true and fair competition.

Don't be retarded. Sure it makes you think the p4 has capabilities it doesn't. But that's irrelevant. Companies do stuff like this all the time. It's business. You can't play your own mp3s on alot of mp3 capable cell phones, because the service won't allow it. thats not anticompetitive, and its no different from this. Its an artificial limitation. And its perfectly legal. You wanna show me otherwise? Then dig up some law.Now shut your mouth and quit whining.

[stezo2k]

Isn't this cpu a quad core one? then surely its bound to beat any of the x2s? maybe i'm just confusing this with another cpu

but either way; well done intel (hard to say from an amd fan :rofl: )

[Stokkolm]

Thats just plain wrong. AMD runs at a much higher temperature than intel - simple.

And that reason is......

I'm very satisfied with my AMD and I will not be changed on these few results

Really, why don't you do some research before posting next time.

So you're saying the Athlon64 series runs hotter than the P4? I wonder... 30 degrees Celsius vs 50.

dL

don't be so hard on him man, he was born in the 90's!

[revvo]

Don't be retarded. Sure it makes you think the p4 has capabilities it doesn't. But that's irrelevant. Companies do stuff like this all the time. It's business. You can't play your own mp3s on alot of mp3 capable cell phones, because the service won't allow it. thats not anticompetitive, and its no different from this. Its an artificial limitation. And its perfectly legal. You wanna show me otherwise? Then dig up some law.Now shut your mouth and quit whining.

Some law? What, you mean like the United States Department of Justice: Antitrust Division that has been established for a good while to fight anti-competitive business deals? Or how about the Europeen Antitrust laws? Or the Canadian Competition Bureau ? Clearly you have no concept in making a distinction between fair business deals among companies and anti-competitive deals. How about you open your favorite search engine (I won't link to google cause you might think I just made an anti-competitive deal with Google :rofl: ) and just search "Anti Trust". Maybe then you'll understand.

Until then, have a good one :p

[freeeekyyy]

Some law? What, you mean like the United States Department of Justice: Antitrust Division that has been established for a good while to fight anti-competitive business deals? Or how about the Europeen Antitrust laws? Or the Canadian Competition Bureau ? Clearly you have no concept in making a distinction between fair business deals among companies and anti-competitive deals. How about you open your favorite search engine (I won't link to google cause you might think I just made an anti-competitive deal with Google :rofl: ) and just search "Anti Trust". Maybe then you'll understand.

Until then, have a good one :p

You didn't answer my question. Ore explain how this is different from cellular services denying the ability to use your own MP3s. Mentioning a department of government doesn't prove anything. Now either bring some law in, or go away.

[revvo]

You didn't answer my question. Ore explain how this is different from cellular services denying the ability to use your own MP3s. Mentioning a department of government doesn't prove anything. Now either bring some law in, or go away.

Yeah you're telling me. What do departments within a goverment do huh? Yeah I know, they eat ice cream and watch movies of Chuck Norris geez, what a bunch of lazy hobos! :rolleyes:

Sony invented Betamax to duke it out against JVC's VHS format. Betamax, which was very proprietary (like Sony's Minidiscs) did not affect or penalize JVC's products or services and did not actually deteriorate JVC's performance.

Apple provide AAC, Real provides RealAudio, Microsoft provides WMA. Each of these obviously run on certain type of hardware and that is fine. Why is it fine? Because it does not affect the competitors true performance.

Here, we have a piece of software that actually penalizes a company by favoring another one for absolutely no reason other than money. There is not a single piece of technical information behind Skype's deal with Intel so that makes it even worse because they claim that only P4's can provide 10-way conference. If there were, Skype would of explained it from the very beginning to avoid all this "Skype/Intel vs AMD" thing that they anticipated.

Period. :rofl:

[freeeekyyy]

Yeah you're telling me. What do departments within a goverment do huh? Yeah I know, they eat ice cream and watch movies of Chuck Norris geez, what a bunch of lazy hobos! :rolleyes:

Sony invented Betamax to duke it out against JVC's VHS format. Betamax, which was very proprietary (like Sony's Minidiscs) did not affect or penalize JVC's products or services and did not actually deteriorate JVC's performance.

Apple provide AAC, Real provides RealAudio, Microsoft provides WMA. Each of these obviously run on certain type of hardware and that is fine. Why is it fine? Because it does not affect the competitors true performance.

Here, we have a piece of software that actually penalizes a company by favoring another one for absolutely no reason other than money. There is not a single piece of technical information behind Skype's deal with Intel so that makes it even worse because they claim that only P4's can provide 10-way conference. If there were, Skype would of explained it from the very beginning to avoid all this "Skype/Intel vs AMD" thing that they anticipated.

Period. :rofl:

Your argument is BS. I give up, obviously you can't be reasoned with. Again, this is no different from celolular service which prevents you from using your own mp3s on their cell phones, which is perfectly legal. this is no different.

[L3thal Veteran]

freeeekyyy, I believe the following image summarizes everything.

[revvo]

Since I proved my point several times discussing with a very insightful wall, back on topic. :rofl:

Wasn't Intel gonna bring the Pentium M core to the desktop? Or something like merging the teams involved with the P-M to the desktop?

[Smigit]

Your argument is BS. I give up, obviously you can't be reasoned with. Again, this is no different from celolular service which prevents you from using your own mp3s on their cell phones, which is perfectly legal. this is no different.

With the MP3 example what do you mean? That you cant transfer the song from the PC to the phone? Welll that would be a technical limitation.

I know absolutly no phones or carriers, at least where I live, that tell you that you can only user a single service to receive ringtones. Even if the phone is unable to take the file from a local PC, I still have the option to sign up with one of unlimited number of ringtone providers and have the tone transferred to me through them. In short, I dont believe any carrier in Australia tells you that you can only receive ringtones from their own or their affiliated services.

If you are in fact implying that by them not allowing you to transfer song from your PC is anticompetitive I would say your wrong. As long as they arent forcing you to use a particular phone service to download the files you still have a choice from 100's of places to get the ringtone. In short getting it from a PC may be a techniical limitation but you certainly arent told you can only get the file from one location.

As such I dont think this example is like AMD and Intel+Skype at all.

Bare with me if this is somehow different in the States, but here in Australia noone has a service forced apon them.

[gwai lo]

Wasn't Intel gonna bring the Pentium M core to the desktop? Or something like merging the teams involved with the P-M to the desktop?

The Dothan core does have several desktop variants, but motherboard are rare.

The Conroe concept takes bits from the mobile processors, the P-M, such as the low power consumption figures, shorter pipeline, and higher efficiency per clock cycle.

It sounds like P-M was Intel's way of dropping out a test balloon on their new idea.

[Fred Derf Veteran]

What does anti-competitive deals between two private companies remotely have to do with whether or not you can upload your own mp3 files to your phone? I don't see the connection and it's all off-topic anyway so let's move on.

[thecableguy]

AMD is the one who, for years, made CPUs that would overheat all the time and fry just by looking at them.

:laugh:

[gwai lo]

:laugh:

Most of us weren't around with the old Athlon series stuff, but AMD didn't always have the cooler chips. The old Athlons used to overheat and the auto-shutdown feature wasn't added till the later architectures (K6?).

The chipsets were made by third parties (which still do it, but are better at it) and used to be crazy instable.

On top of that, Intel's Pentium line just flatout beat the Athlons in everything. K7 was where AMD started become competitive.

What happened in the past five years was not what happened from 1969-1999/2000.

[seta-san]

i don't have time to read through 17 pages of text but i'll throw in my two cents.

NOBODY HAS WON ANYTHING! it's one of those stupid wars. Remember with the graphics wars. First the ati 9800 was slightly ontop of the nv5900. then the 6800 doubled, and in some instances trippled the speed of the previous generation. Then ati came out with new card which matched it. It's a goddamn cycle. Everyonce in a while one of them will get a huge perforance jump but the othe will be soon be ahead..

as for me, i'm sticking with amd simply because the things i do require the 3dnow!+ extensions which intel doesn't use.

[Mike Mayer]

When the quad cores come around and its time for me to upgrade:

I will consider who has the best bang for the buck at the time. If its AMD then I'll go AMD. If its Intel I'll go Intel.

I just assembled a Pentium D 940 system this weekend and I honestly have to say that it whoops any other system I've built thus far.

My opinion is without the priviledge of making X2 systems or even socket 939 systems at that. Therefore its not a fair comparison at all.

My point is. They are both good companies and when they compete the only people that win are the consumers. We get choices.